Sharia Law: Coming to a Neighborhood Near You.

[Orangeslice13]

Establish prayer O Prophet at both ends of the day and in the early part of the night. Surely good deeds wipe out evil deeds. That is a reminder for the mindful.

His is all praise in the heavens and in the earth; (and glorify Him) in the afternoon and when the sun begins to decline.

That’s 5…. FIVE different times of the day the Quran says to pray. You argue just to argue, you come on here and try to lecture people and act like you know what you’re talking about when you don’t even read the books you claim to know so well.

Wanna get back to claiming Jews believe in hell?

Lol
There is no hell.

 

[Smokey123]

Lol
There is no hell.

Sorry to break it to you but D4H says Jews believe in eternal hell. He must be right he’s never been wrong

 

[Orangeslice13]

Sorry to break it to you but D4H says Jews believe in eternal hell. He must be right he’s never been wrong

Nope, he’s wrong again.

 

[MAD]

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Establish prayer O Prophet at both ends of the day and in the early part of the night. Surely good deeds wipe out evil deeds. That is a reminder for the mindful.

His is all praise in the heavens and in the earth; (and glorify Him) in the afternoon and when the sun begins to decline.

That’s 5…. FIVE different times of the day the Quran says to pray. You argue just to argue, you come on here and try to lecture people and act like you know what you’re talking about when you don’t even read the books you claim to know so well.

Wanna get back to claiming Jews believe in hell?

So you're joining 2 completely different verses from two completely different chapters of the Quran to get to 5? And what's funny is the second verse you cite doesn't even explicitly mention establishing prayer. Remember the parenthetical isn't in the actual Arabic text but is added by the author.

If the mention of afternoon and noon in the second verse is in reference to the 5 canonical prayers then why not include them in 11:114 when establishing prayer in explicitly mentioned?

In the verse that actually talks about establishing prayer, noon and afternoon prayers are not mentioned. Only the morning, evening, and night prayer. Why do you need to lump two different verses together to get to 5? If 5 prayers was the required why didn't Allah mention it clearly in one verse?

 

[MAD]

“Sharia Law is part of Religious Tolerance & Values”

The UK Labour Government now expect Britain to embrace Sharia Law which is already superseding British Law in some areas of The Country.

England now has more Sharia Law Courts than any other Country in Europe with many scholars predicting The UK will become majority Muslim by 2050.

 

[EasternVol]

“Sharia Law is part of Religious Tolerance & Values”

The UK Labour Government now expect Britain to embrace Sharia Law which is already superseding British Law in some areas of The Country.

England now has more Sharia Law Courts than any other Country in Europe with many scholars predicting The UK will become majority Muslim by 2050.

Did you listen to what she said?

 

[Smokey123]

So you're joining 2 completely different verses from two completely different chapters of the Quran to get to 5? And what's funny is the second verse you cite doesn't even explicitly mention establishing prayer. Remember the parenthetical isn't in the actual Arabic text but is added by the author.

If the mention of afternoon and noon in the second verse is in reference to the 5 canonical prayers then why not include them in 11:114 when establishing prayer in explicitly mentioned?

In the verse that actually talks about establishing prayer, noon and afternoon prayers are not mentioned. Only the morning, evening, and night prayer. Why do you need to lump two different verses together to get to 5? If 5 prayers was the required why didn't Allah mention it clearly in one verse?

That verse is about prayer you nimrod.

So we only base opinions of religious texts from one verse? That not how any of this works.

You said the Hadith contradicts the Quran which is obviously incorrect. You’re a joke

 

[Orangeslice13]

That verse is about prayer you nimrod.

So we only base opinions of religious texts from one verse? That not how any of this works.

You said the Hadith contradicts the Quran which is obviously incorrect. You’re a joke

Interesting fact of history.
Nimrod was said to be of extreme intelligence and a hunter of followers. We use the term Nimrod to mean moron because he opposed G-d.

Kinda appropriate and not, in your usage, all at the same time

 

[Smokey123]

Interesting fact of history.
Nimrod was said to be of extreme intelligence and a hunter of followers. We use the term Nimrod to mean moron because he opposed G-d.

Kinda appropriate and not, in your usage, all at the same time

That’s ironic, I didn’t realize that’s how the term came about

 

[Rickyvol77]

What’s going on here?

Pretty typical example of Islamic thinking especially when they have a small bit of power

 

[Orangeslice13]

That’s ironic, I didn’t realize that’s how the term came about

Gen 10.
Now Cush fathered Nimrod; he [d]became a mighty one on the earth. 9 He was a mighty hunter before the Lord; therefore it is said, “Like Nimrod a mighty hunter before the Lord.” 10 And the beginning of his kingdom was [e]Babel, Erech, Accad, and Calneh, in the land of Shinar.

While the Torah does not directly link Nimrod to the Tower of Babel, the Talmud does and as early as Josephes writings Nimrod had become a symbol of rebellion against G-d and therefore in spite of being very smart, He was also a symbol of foolishness


Edit: early Christian writings and then later Muslim writings also carried that opinion.

 

[Franklin Pierce]

Mayor of Majority Muslim City Warns White Resident He's 'not welcome' after complaints about Signs Hailing Pro-Hamas Local​

The mayor of a Michigan city with a large Muslim population has faced backlash for telling a Christian resident he was 'not welcome' after a tense exchange over a road sign honoring a local who expressed support for Hamas.

Dearborn Mayor Abdullah Hammoud made the comment after Edward 'Ted' Barham told a City Council meeting that he opposed a road sign being erected at an intersection honoring Lebanese-American journalist Osama Siblani.

Siblani founded the Arab American News, the first bilingual Arab weekly paper in Dearborn. He's previously come under fire for comments sympathetic to Hamas, calling the Palestinian group 'freedom fighters'.

Barham said the sign was 'provocative' and accused Siblani of being a supporter of Hezbollah and Hamas, which are considered terrorist organizations by the US.

'I feel like having that sign up there is almost like naming a street Hezbollah Street or Hamas Street,' Barham argued.

'Hezbollah bombed the embassy in Beirut, including many Americans. I just feel it's quite inappropriate'.

'He talks about how the blood of the martyrs irrigates the land of Palestine,' Barham continued. He then quoted Siblani as saying: 'Whether we are in Michigan and whether we are in Yemen.

'Believe me, everyone should fight within his means. They will fight with stones, others will fight with guns, others fight with planes, drones, and rockets'.


Mayor Abdullah Hammoud issued a scathing response to a resident who complained at a council meeting about a sign honoring Osama Siblani


Osama Siblani was honored with a symbolic road sign for his journalistic efforts, creating the first bilingual Arab weekly paper in Dearborn

He accused Barham of being a 'bigot,' a 'racist,' and an 'Islamaphobe,' adding, 'Although you live here, I want you to know that as mayor, you are not welcome here'.

'And the day you move out of this city, will be the day that I launch a parade celebrating the fact that you moved out of this city, because you are not somebody who believes in coexistence,' he continued.

Mayor of Muslim city warns local after complaints over pro-Hamas signs

Mayor Abdullah Hammoud made the comment after a local man said that he opposed a road sign being erected to honor Lebanese-American journalist Osama Siblani.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

That verse is about prayer you nimrod.

So we only base opinions of religious texts from one verse? That not how any of this works.

You said the Hadith contradicts the Quran which is obviously incorrect. You’re a joke

There are lots of OTHER verses about prayer. Establishing prayer is a very consistent theme in the Quran. Does that mean Muslims need to pray 24/7? You're the one advocating a specific number here. And that number is FIVE. And there's no verse that articulates 5 daily prayers. You can't cobble together different verses from completely different chapters and then use that go create a rule that its 5 canonical prayers a day when there are verses like this in the Quran that imply only 3 prayers:

Surah Al-Isra - 78-79 - Quran.com

(78) Observe the prayer from the decline of the sun until the darkness of the night and the dawn prayer, for certainly the dawn prayer is witnessed ˹b...

quran.com

17:78 Observe the prayer from the decline of the sun until the darkness of the night and the dawn prayer, for certainly the dawn prayer is witnessed ˹by angels˺.

17:79 And rise at ˹the last˺ part of the night, offering additional prayers, so your Lord may raise you to a station of praise.

If the number of prayers is five why would Allah neglect to mention them in these verses when the number of prayers are clearly being discussed? Prayer at sunset. Prayer at dawn. Prayer in "the last part" of the night. That's 3. If afternoon and noon were also required then why not mention them here?

 

[Smokey123]

There are lots of OTHER verses about prayer. Establishing prayer is a very consistent theme in the Quran. Does that mean Muslims need to pray 24/7? You're the one advocating a specific number here. And that number is FIVE. And there's no verse that articulates 5 daily prayers. You can't cobble together different verses from completely different chapters and then use that go create a rule that its 5 canonical prayers a day when there are verses like this in the Quran that imply only 3 prayers:

Surah Al-Isra - 78-79 - Quran.com

(78) Observe the prayer from the decline of the sun until the darkness of the night and the dawn prayer, for certainly the dawn prayer is witnessed ˹b...

quran.com

If the number of prayers is five why would Allah neglect to mention them in these verses when the number of prayers are clearly being discussed? Prayer at sunset. Prayer at dawn. Prayer in "the last part" of the night. That's 3. If afternoon and noon were also required then why not mention them here?

Learn what contradiction means.

 

[GVF]

There are lots of OTHER verses about prayer. Establishing prayer is a very consistent theme in the Quran. Does that mean Muslims need to pray 24/7? You're the one advocating a specific number here. And that number is FIVE. And there's no verse that articulates 5 daily prayers. You can't cobble together different verses from completely different chapters and then use that go create a rule that its 5 canonical prayers a day when there are verses like this in the Quran that imply only 3 prayers:

Surah Al-Isra - 78-79 - Quran.com

(78) Observe the prayer from the decline of the sun until the darkness of the night and the dawn prayer, for certainly the dawn prayer is witnessed ˹b...

quran.com

If the number of prayers is five why would Allah neglect to mention them in these verses when the number of prayers are clearly being discussed? Prayer at sunset. Prayer at dawn. Prayer in "the last part" of the night. That's 3. If afternoon and noon were also required then why not mention them here?

Why do you assume one verse mutually excludes the other. In the toality of the two verses, that totals....5 ??

 

[Smokey123]

Why do you assume one verse mutually excludes the other. In the toality of the two verses, that totals....5 ??

When you love to argue you can just make up things as you go. How did he jump from the Talmud and Jews believe Jesus is in eternal hell, to the Hadith contradicts the Quran on prayer?

I’m not sure if ive ever seen him not arguing in a thread

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Learn what contradiction means.

Is what I'm asking for really that difficult? If 5 daily prayers is so obvious and clear then surely there would be one or two verses in succession stating it? Instead you are over here trying to cobble together different verses from different chapters to get to 5 when there are verses that clearly state only 3 prayers.

If it was supposed to be 5 then why didn't Allah mention the noon and afternoon prayers in the verses where he mentioned the evening, dawn, and night prayer?

 

[Franklin Pierce]

Whitmer Silent On Muslim Mayor Telling Resident He’s ‘not welcome’ for Slam on Terrorist Sympathizer​

Michigan Governor Fails To Respond after week-long controversy over street signs honoring Arab American publisher​

Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer stayed silent for days after a controversy in Dearborn, where the city’s Muslim mayor scolded a Christian resident who objected to new street signs honoring an Arab American newspaper publisher known for past statements viewed as sympathetic to terrorists.

Fox News Digital tried to reach Whitmer’s office and staff Wednesday, a week after the Detroit Free Press first reported the Dearborn meeting kerfuffle.

Whitmer silent on Muslim mayor telling resident he’s ‘not welcome’ for slam on terrorist sympathizer

Dearborn's Muslim mayor tells Christian resident Ted Barham he's "not welcome" after Barham criticized honoring newspaper publisher with history of pro-terrorist statements.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Why do you assume one verse mutually excludes the other. In the toality of the two verses, that totals....5 ??

Because they are totally different in terms of context. And in totally different chapters. Let's compare them:

Here's the verse he wants to claim gets us to 5 daily prayers:

Surah Ar-Rum - 18 - Quran.com

all praise is for Him in the heavens and the earth—as well as in the afternoon, and at noon.

quran.com

30:18 all praise is for Him in the heavens and the earth—as well as in the afternoon, and at noon.

It doesn't say establish prayer at noon and afternoon. It simply says "praise him in the afternoon and at noon". You can praise God without engaging in ritual prayer.

Compare that to verses I cited that indicate only 3 daily prayers:

17:78 Observe the prayer from the decline of the sun until the darkness of the night and the dawn prayer, for certainly the dawn prayer is witnessed ˹by angels˺.

17:79 And rise at ˹the last˺ part of the night, offering additional prayers, so your Lord may raise you to a station of praise.

In this verse it clearly mentions "prayer". It does not tangentially refer to it with a word like "praise". And when it tells us we should observe prayer it only mentions evening, dawn, and night. If noon and afternoon were part of the ritual prayers then why didn't God mention it here? Why mention it in a completely different chapter and not mention the words prayer or the other 3?

You guys are trying to read something into the text that isn't there. There's not a single verse that clearly says pray 5 times a day. The only verses that articulate a set number of prayers state only 3 times (dawn, evening, and night).

 

[GVF]

Is what I'm asking for really that difficult? If 5 daily prayers is so obvious and clear then surely there would be one or two verses in succession stating it? Instead you are over here trying to cobble together different verses from different chapters to get to 5 when there are verses that clearly state only 3 prayers.

If it was supposed to be 5 then why didn't Allah mention the noon and afternoon prayers in the verses where he mentioned the evening, dawn, and night prayer?

38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit

Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.

Because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.


Because it doesn't have to. Many verses in the Bible say to repent and be baptized and you'll be saved. Others say believe and be saved, not mentioning baptism. Others state confessing Jesus is Lord will have salvation. Faith coming from hearing is also invkoed. It's not picking one and excluding the other. It's an accumulation of commands that make up the pathway to salvation.

The same principle would be applied to muslim belief on the number of prayers per day.

 

[Smokey123]

Is what I'm asking for really that difficult? If 5 daily prayers is so obvious and clear then surely there would be one or two verses in succession stating it? Instead you are over here trying to cobble together different verses from different chapters to get to 5 when there are verses that clearly state only 3 prayers.

If it was supposed to be 5 then why didn't Allah mention the noon and afternoon prayers in the verses where he mentioned the evening, dawn, and night prayer?

So just for clarification you don’t know what contradiction means?

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

So just for clarification you don’t know what contradiction means?

I know what it means. I just why its relevant?

 

[GVF]

Because they are totally different in terms of context. And in totally different chapters. Let's compare them:

Here's the verse he wants to claim gets us to 5 daily prayers:

Surah Ar-Rum - 18 - Quran.com

all praise is for Him in the heavens and the earth—as well as in the afternoon, and at noon.

quran.com

It doesn't say establish prayer at noon and afternoon. It simply says "praise him in the afternoon and at noon". You can praise God without engaging in ritual prayer.

Compare that to verses I cited that indicate only 3 daily prayers:



In this verse it clearly mentions "prayer". It does not tangentially refer to it with a word like "praise". And when it tells us we should observe prayer it only mentions evening, dawn, and night. If noon and afternoon were part of the ritual prayers then why didn't God mention it here? Why mention it in a completely different chapter and not mention the words prayer or the other 3?

You guys are trying to read something into the text that isn't there. There's not a single verse that clearly says pray 5 times a day. The only verses that articulate a set number of prayers state only 3 times (dawn, evening, and night).

So prayer is not praise? Or praise cannot be prayer? For someone that claims to read so much about religions, your grasp of concept does not bode well. Unless one cherry picks verses, a truly divine text cannot be self-contradictory. Studied in totality though one can corral a stable of commands.

 

[Smokey123]

I know what it means. I just why it’s relevant?

You said the Hadith contradicts the Quran on prayer. Like I said the first time the Quran mentions at least 5 different times of prayer. You have yet to provide how it’s a contradiction. You cherry pick what you want and then complain about others doing the same