Sharia Law: Coming to a Neighborhood Near You.

[Persian Vol]

Until they are called (or forced) to radicalize?

Ignoring the growth of the call for muslim law in cities around the country like Minneapolis likewise is not based in reality. City governments can implement noise ordinances to allow calls to prayer to appease a singular religion (which is the integration of church and state), but fire HS football coaches for praying with players. It's the UK in America. It's the no go zones in Australia where Aussies are policed away from Muslims zones in a supposedly free country.

@slice doesn't eat pork either, but you don't see him clamoring for Sharia or chanting death to america in our own streets.

Painting millions of Muslims as potential radicals isn’t fair or accurate. Radicalization is extremely rare, just like it is in fringe groups of any religion or ideology. Most Muslims in the U.S. are exactly like anyone else, working, raising families, and wanting to live in peace. Claims about ‘no-go zones’ or forced Sharia law have been debunked repeatedly. We can debate local policies like noise ordinances, but we shouldn’t base our views on fear or stereotypes about an entire faith community.

 

[Persian Vol]

So, muslim protestors in American cities demanding Sharia is not real? Or you just haven't met those in particular? I'm not islamaphobic, and am well aware that not all are that way, but they also did not stand up for "peaceful" islam in their home countries and were overrun by the extremists or they would have led normal lives in their home country. And thanks to our open borders, those numbers are increasingly present in America now too. And the UK. And Australia.

There have been small fringe protests, yes, but they’re not representative of Muslim Americans as a whole. Just like in any group, the loudest voices don’t define the millions of people who are quietly living their lives.

Actually, many Muslims did stand up to extremists in their home countries, some risked or lost their lives opposing groups like the Taliban, ISIS, or al-Qaeda. Many came to the U.S. precisely to escape extremism and live normal lives in peace.

The U.S. doesn’t have ‘open borders’, immigration is tightly regulated. Muslim immigrants in the U.S., UK, and Australia are overwhelmingly ordinary people who contribute to their communities. Linking immigration with extremism paints an inaccurate and unfair picture.

What would be considered Islamophobic to you?

 

[GVF]

I guess I'd have to see if and how the theology effects the policy.

Will be interesting. It's the first in the US to be 100% muslim. In all fairness though the bar is pretty low in Detroit.

 

[MAD]

 

[GVF]

Painting millions of Muslims as potential radicals isn’t fair or accurate. Radicalization is extremely rare, just like it is in fringe groups of any religion or ideology. Most Muslims in the U.S. are exactly like anyone else, working, raising families, and wanting to live in peace. Claims about ‘no-go zones’ or forced Sharia law have been debunked repeatedly. We can debate local policies like noise ordinances, but we shouldn’t base our views on fear or stereotypes about an entire faith community.

Maybe not, and I'll cencede that happily. i'll also concede as I've already stated, the one's I've met coming in to bowl are just like everyone else like you say. Not hateful. Not anti muslim in and of itself. I didn't grow up around it like I did blacks. (And that's a whole other debate. If I were, I'd rather be living in the south now than the midwest or north). But, do those that are being treated like the neighbor next door also offer the same to their Jewish neighbors? Curious question.

I'll also concede the no-go zones may not have a foothold in the US yet, but they do in other cities. The UK is getting it from all sides. Loony white folk that jail you for memes even. Sydney, London, Paris. If it's happening there...Let's see how NY City fares in the coming years and what happens.

But...You never know which of them living here is enrolled in flight training school either. They were peaceful too. Till they weren't.

In life though I can be cautious, leary, sleep with one eye open and still be open and courteous and christian to others. Being naturally suspicious does not make one bigoted. I question motives and history and violent reels. Still have never hated on anyone not white in my life. Black preacher in ATL was a primary influence on my baptism when I was 11. Still one of my close friends. We speak no less than other month to this day. And we were from different worlds and times. He's got 10 southern years extra I don't have.

 

[GVF]

There have been small fringe protests, yes, but they’re not representative of Muslim Americans as a whole. Just like in any group, the loudest voices don’t define the millions of people who are quietly living their lives.

Actually, many Muslims did stand up to extremists in their home countries, some risked or lost their lives opposing groups like the Taliban, ISIS, or al-Qaeda. Many came to the U.S. precisely to escape extremism and live normal lives in peace.

The U.S. doesn’t have ‘open borders’, immigration is tightly regulated. Muslim immigrants in the U.S., UK, and Australia are overwhelmingly ordinary people who contribute to their communities. Linking immigration with extremism paints an inaccurate and unfair picture.

What would be considered Islamophobic to you?

We had an extreme 4 year break from that and was very damaging. Historically, yes. But, there's other threads for that. Also don't agree with the liberal marxist drive form the left either, or far rigt ideologies. Basically, if you think blacks don't belong, you shouldn't have brought them in. I'm a balanced person. The God of Jesus provided him as the lamb for all people. First, the Jews then the Gentiles. I'm most sympathetic to the native american. They invited none of us here to steal their lands and lives. But, here we are. I guess one could argue karma.

As far as what is Islamaphobic, I find it hard to define that any easier than defining racism or anything else. It would all seem to be in the same bucket. It's nature to be suspicious of things unlike you. Doesn't make you "phobic" about anything. THat erm has evolved too loosely, just like "racist" or "nazi." I'm comfortable saying the line is when suspicious becomes hatred. I'm using suspicious in the sense of that is a normal reaction to something you do not hate, but also do not have intimate knowledge or experience with. I'd also argue that comes from the history of a "few bad apples" targeting people around the world and in the US that are not muslim merely because they are not muslim. And it happens everyday outside the US which makes it easy to say it's coming one day. The actions of few evoke the emotions of many. I'd think it hard to find any one who is Hinduphobic in the US. I find all these "phobic" accusations no different than categorising life in the south by the actions of a few. Anyone who lives here knows the ones riding around with rebel flags flying on their lifted 4x4's are a very small minoirty here. Yet we all get labelled. Right?? But, if I'm to refrain from "disrespecting" your prophet, afford me the same and don't disrespect mine or treat me as inferior and all is good.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Most historians don't, citing one historian on Wikipedia is NOT proof. Continue doing you though. As stated, you smashed your own argument you went on for multiple pages in another thread. No one takes your political posts seriously anymore (you do have good football takes at times).

There's also genetics. North Africans have significant MATERNAL European ancestry. Genetic history of North Africa - Wikipedia

With regard to Mozabite Berbers, one-third (33%) of Mozabite Berber mtDNAs have a Near Eastern ancestry, probably having arrived in North Africa ~50,000 years ago, and one-eighth (12.5%) have an origin in sub-Saharan Africa. Europe appears to be the source of many of the remaining sequences, with the rest (54.5%) having arisen either in Europe or in the Near East."[45]

Now some might argue that the significant amount of European DNA found in North Africa is the result of a back migration back to Africa and not the Barbary Slave Trade. My counter is why is there not an equivalent amount of European DNA is the Y-DNA which is passed from father to son. The majority of European DNA found in North Africa is found in the mitochondrial DNA which is passed from mother to daughter. This lines up perfectly with the fact that most of the slaves imported from Europe were women.

I know the idea of millions of white women being taken from Europe into Africa and producing mixed race children bothers you but the genetic evidence lines up with what the historical record says about the Barbary Slave Trade. European slaves helped change the face of North Africa. Its why many North Africans look like biracial Americans such as Colin Kaepernick and Patrick Mahomes.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Except Islam is not in this country to assimilate, or enjoy american freedoms, or peacefully co-exist. They are here to conquer America, and other western countries, and eradicate jews from the earth. Such is their public claim. They ignore our laws. Is that racist? Islamaphobic? Or, just simply true.

You must not known many Muslims then. Most like to listen to American music, watch Hollywood movies, partying, drinking alcohol, and more or less living the average western lifestyle. I know the whole fearmongering over people who are different from you is comforting but its just not true. Islam is actually crumbling from within as most young Muslims would rather live the so-called "degenerate" Western lifestyle than the conservative Islamic one.

The only reason the version of Islam you fear even has any oxygen left is because we in the West have demonized Muslims and attacked their countries so for political reasons they stand with the conservative Islamic folk. Most people don't want anything to do with 7th century lifestyles. If you fear "radical Islam" the best thing you can do is stop supporting governments that attack Muslims countries and painting the religion under the brush of terrorism. If you do that the masses will stop supporting the religious psychos and transform into modern secular countries like here in the West.

Because at the end of the day we're all human. We all like the same things. And 7th century behavior in the 21st century is not appealing to anyone. Even the people in Muslim countries who folks like you demonize to no end.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Maybe @Orangeslice13 can educate you on this statement about Judaism. He's messianic with kids that went to a CoC highschool.

The Talmud is pretty clear on this. So I don't need him to educate me. Jews believe Jesus was a liar and Mary a whore. If they believed in what Jesus stood for and his miraculous birth they would be Christians. But they remain Jews because they believe the true Messiah hasn't arrived yet.

Compare that to Muslims who believe Jesus was the Messiah. That he was born of a virgin. That Mary is the most honored woman in Islam. And that Jesus is right now in heaven with Allah waiting to return on the day of judgment to defeat the Anti-Christ.

And somehow many Christians hate Islam and Muslims but love Jews.

 

[GVF]

You must not known many Muslims then. Most like to listen to American music, watch Hollywood movies, partying, drinking alcohol, and more or less living the average western lifestyle. I know the whole fearmongering over people who are different from you is comforting but its just not true. Islam is actually crumbling from within as most young Muslims would rather live the so-called "degenerate" Western lifestyle than the conservative Islamic one.

The only reason the version of Islam you fear even has any oxygen left is because we in the West have demonized Muslims and attacked their countries so for political reasons they stand with the conservative Islamic folk. Most people don't want anything to do with 7th century lifestyles. If you fear "radical Islam" the best thing you can do is stop supporting governments that attack Muslims countries and painting the religion under the brush of terrorism. If you do that the masses will stop supporting the religious psychos and transform into modern secular countries like here in the West.

Because at the end of the day we're all human. We all like the same things. And 7th century behavior in the 21st century is not appealing to anyone. Even the people in Muslim countries who folks like you demonize to no end.

Not going to re-write, but no don't know many. How that affects what experience I may have can be viewed in mine and Persian's exchanges. I did not grow up in a time where you just ran into many. And have never lived in large metros where the majority reside. And I live out of town where my neighbor's on either side are a half mile journey. I do meet quite a few college age because we do have a local university that is highly academic and attracts more Saudi's than any other, and they love to come in and bowl. So, I'm also not ignorant to the fact that a good deal are just regular people like me. Props to him for some very nice back and forth. I've also never been one to hate people for not being me.

 

[CubsFanTN]

The Talmud is pretty clear on this. So I don't need him to educate me. Jews believe Jesus was a liar and Mary a whore. If they believed in what Jesus stood for and his miraculous birth they would be Christians. But they remain Jews because they believe the true Messiah hasn't arrived yet.

Compare that to Muslims who believe Jesus was the Messiah. That he was born of a virgin. That Mary is the most honored woman in Islam. And that Jesus is right now in heaven with Allah waiting to return on the day of judgment to defeat the Anti-Christ.

And somehow many Christians hate Islam and Muslims but love Jews.

Muslims do not believe Jesus was the messiah the way Christians do, i.e. the divine son of God.

Christians don't hate Muslims. I think most non-Muslims are at the very least wary of a religion founded and spread through warfare, that has an unbroken chain of violence, including war between its own sects, and that allows for wildly different interpretations of its theology. Not to mention the dozen or so terrorist groups that operate under the banner of Islam.

Many Christians feel a kinship to Israel and the Jewish people because of their role as God's chosen people in the Tanakh and being the lineage of Christ.

 

[GVF]

The Talmud is pretty clear on this. So I don't need him to educate me. Jews believe Jesus was a liar and Mary a whore. If they believed in what Jesus stood for and his miraculous birth they would be Christians. But they remain Jews because they believe the true Messiah hasn't arrived yet.

Compare that to Muslims who believe Jesus was the Messiah. That he was born of a virgin. That Mary is the most honored woman in Islam. And that Jesus is right now in heaven with Allah waiting to return on the day of judgment to defeat the Anti-Christ.

And somehow many Christians hate Islam and Muslims but love Jews.

Like I said. Ask Slice if he believes Jesus was the Messiah. I can probably quote more of what he beleives than you can of your own. You're broadstroking me over muslims, and discounting his beliefs without asking him. You're also broadstroking Jews. That may be true for a particular sect. Not all.

There's a catch 22 on the muslim version. You say they believe Jesus was the Messiah, yet they adhere to a book written by a sinful prophet. If they truly believe and accept Jesus as the Messiah, why the Quran? Why not the Bible that came from the God that sent the Messiah?

 

[GVF]

The Talmud is pretty clear on this. So I don't need him to educate me. Jews believe Jesus was a liar and Mary a whore. If they believed in what Jesus stood for and his miraculous birth they would be Christians. But they remain Jews because they believe the true Messiah hasn't arrived yet.

Compare that to Muslims who believe Jesus was the Messiah. That he was born of a virgin. That Mary is the most honored woman in Islam. And that Jesus is right now in heaven with Allah waiting to return on the day of judgment to defeat the Anti-Christ.

And somehow many Christians hate Islam and Muslims but love Jews.

You're also forgetting it was biblical prophecy that his own would reject him. For the Word to be credible, prohpecies had to be fulfilled. And you are not allowing for the converts of the day you find in Acts that we know as messianic. Which are Christian Jews that still maintain a modicum of tradition and practices.

And...the Gentiles of the time that God sent the Israelites into battle with are the fore fathers of today's islam. From those peoples the converts you might find would be the Kurds for one. There are other ancinet christian minorities that converted amongst the arabics and persians and still live in persecution there and in asia on a daily basis.

 

[GVF]

The Talmud is pretty clear on this. So I don't need him to educate me. Jews believe Jesus was a liar and Mary a whore. If they believed in what Jesus stood for and his miraculous birth they would be Christians. But they remain Jews because they believe the true Messiah hasn't arrived yet.

Compare that to Muslims who believe Jesus was the Messiah. That he was born of a virgin. That Mary is the most honored woman in Islam. And that Jesus is right now in heaven with Allah waiting to return on the day of judgment to defeat the Anti-Christ.

And somehow many Christians hate Islam and Muslims but love Jews.

So much for today's entertainment. I was gonna buy everyone a round of popcorn.

 

[MAD]

 

[CagleMtnVol]

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Absolute disgrace that is in the United States of America.

 

[MAD]

 

[EasternVol]

That's not an argument. I'd love to know how much sales of keffiyehs and Palestinian flags have increased in the past 24 months and what percentage of those people could point to Gaza on a map on their first try. You know it's the truth on both sides of the political aisle - we've been programmed for immediate buy-in to any cause based on political affiliation regardless of how much or how little reality it's grounded in.

Ok, I'll rephrase it. Your assertion is completely without merit as it is ridiculously unrealistic. There's absolutely no way half the population would sign up for such an overthrow, especially for religious rule. Happy now?

 

[CubsFanTN]

Ok, I'll rephrase it. Your assertion is completely without merit as it is ridiculously unrealistic. There's absolutely no way half the population would sign up for such an overthrow, especially for religious rule. Happy now?

In 2024 the left was told to support Palestine and hate the Jews. They dressed like terrorists and chanted “from the river to the sea” on college campuses and it took literally zero effort to convince them to do so. A year later you’ve got grown adults and the elderly doing the same thing at No Kings protests, and none of them were able to articulate why or how they got there. Why is it “ridiculously unrealistic” to think the same group won’t vote in Muslims as their party majority when the process is already well underway?

 

[EasternVol]

Seems pretty prevelant on our college campuses of late.

If so then there should be a lot of reports of it, which I don't see. Didn't a fairly famous Protestant minister preach God Dxxx America' not that long ago? Are Protestants a menace?

We've integrated church and state to placate calls to prayer in more than one northern city.

Do you mean by allowing the calls to prayer or accommodating prayer in school?

I meet muslim students in passing because they seem to love to bowl, so they come in and out during the school year since we have a local university that seems to be favored by Saudis. So, I've not lived my 60 not having met people. I've also been in places in ATL maybe people shouldn't go. I grew up in a roughly 50/50 town about 40 miles south of ATL that had gotten through most of the "white neighborhood" stuff by the time time I got to HS. We didn't have much of that at all going on in the early 80's. We worshipped together in my church. i've visited other churches just to see. But, I digress.

It's good that relations are better there now. I'm a little older and remember integration in Virginia. Things went pretty well in my community. A few years later there was a lot more trouble integrating the kids from a town a few miles away who shifted to our HS. I'll have to check but I think the black community there still maintains their church so worship isn't really integrated. Several towns around the region had the reputation of sundown communities well into the 70's.

Definitely no-go muslim zones in Sydney and London already. If we haven't got there yet, we will. The pattern is there. May not ever get there in rural America, but the larger cities are subject.

In my experience wandering around Sydney there are heavily Muslim areas but there aren't any no go zones. I can't speak on London except the one in Kentucky. I seriously doubt we'd ever have one in the US. Muslims are generally sociable and welcoming as long as no one's trying to antagonize, like just about everyone else.

 

[EasternVol]

In 2024 the left was told to support Palestine and hate the Jews. They dressed like terrorists and chanted “from the river to the sea” on college campuses and it took literally zero effort to convince them to do so. A year later you’ve got grown adults and the elderly doing the same thing at No Kings protests, and none of them were able to articulate why or how they got there. Why is it “ridiculously unrealistic” to think the same group won’t vote in Muslims as their party majority when the process is already well underway?

Were they told to hate Jews or did they see what was happening in Gaza and the West Bank? There's a big difference. Wearing a khefiya or however it's spelled isn't dressing like a terrorist. You have a very unrealistic view of what's been happening.

 

[CubsFanTN]

Were they told to hate Jews or did they see what was happening in Gaza and the West Bank? There's a big difference. Wearing a khefiya or however it's spelled isn't dressing like a terrorist. You have a very unrealistic view of what's been happening.

I watched the campus protests materialize simultaneously across the country with the exact same costumes and slogans and then the exact same thing happen in early 2025 with No Kings. No one from either event was able to answer basic questions about their causes. Nothing happened organically. People were handed posters, flags, and costumes, told what to say/chant and nothing else, and probably got paid for it.

 

[MAD]

Paid for by NGO’s

 

[Smokey123]

The Talmud is pretty clear on this. So I don't need him to educate me. Jews believe Jesus was a liar and Mary a whore. If they believed in what Jesus stood for and his miraculous birth they would be Christians. But they remain Jews because they believe the true Messiah hasn't arrived yet.

Compare that to Muslims who believe Jesus was the Messiah. That he was born of a virgin. That Mary is the most honored woman in Islam. And that Jesus is right now in heaven with Allah waiting to return on the day of judgment to defeat the Anti-Christ.

And somehow many Christians hate Islam and Muslims but love Jews.

Why do you have an opinion on something that you’ve never read? On top of that you clearly don’t know what the Talmud is, or intentionally being disingenuous

 

[Rickyvol77]

Why do you have an opinion on something that you’ve never read? On top of that you clearly don’t know what the Talmud is, or intentionally being disingenuous

He's "educated"