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#251
#251
TheRealUT98 said:
Ok so I’m going to go at it respectfully but from the other side possibly just because of my age (under 30). I understand and agree that it’s a blessing to have your college paid for playing a sport is fantastic. However since 2000 the game had started making a ridiculous amount of revenue off the backs of players that get paid zero from it. I saw a statistic that the profits gained from a few weekends of marquee matchups in the SEC could cover every scholarship on every SEC team and start tapping into the lower paid position coaches around the conference. I’m not going to waste a ton of time because I do not know if many will even read my opinion but to make it as short as possible, I don’t feel the NCAA or colleges should make so much money they can upgrade there stadiums every 5 years but these kids (look at inky Johnson) give there lives for a sport and some of there parents go home to no power or anything. Time to stop being ok with millionaires continuing to make millions, pretty much every one else involved gets paid very well, but the athletes must get nothing? No I don’t agree with that
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Ok, so for you, socialism is the key. Let's let a few people decide what should or should not happen to an entity they have no stake in?! Right?! That's your point?

I can't, for the life of me, understand how someone would genuinely think they have the right to tell someone else how to live or run their business! If someone goes home to no power in their house why in the heck is that UT's problem?!! If you are truly worried about it, you go put the utility bill in YOUR name and pay it, all the time. You say the system is making money "off the backs of the players", what does that have to do with the price of tea in India?! If you DON'T want a free education, all wrapped up with facilities and pampering that almost none of us will ever enjoy in our lifetimes, then please...MOVE ON! There are literally thousands of kids waiting behind you to take that opportunity because, guess what, they don't want their power cut off one day like it was when they were kids! For some reason we (some in society) have decided that ANY struggle that they deem worthy, should be solved so people don't have to experience the pain. The truth, whether anyone wants to believe it or not, is that pain almost ALWAYS brings about growth, steels your resolve, and helps one persevere. Ease and comfort absolutely do not! You, in your desire to feel great about spending someone else's money for a cause you deem worthy, would take away the chance for someone to come to UT, work hard, make a good living, and change their family direction through hard work and dedication.

We have become ENTITLED and the worst part of it is we don't even realize it. It may be easy and sound good to say "they make millions and that person doesn't have electricity!!" but what you are ALWAYS saying, whether you like it or not, is that you are FOR stealing from one person and giving it to another that hasn't earned it. Again, YOU pay the utility bill if it bothers you. Because, one day, someone will come for you and take your money because, hey, you shouldn't have the ability to eat out while others do not.
 
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#252
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99gator said:
That the reason for potentially cancelling the season is actually not COVID, or not COVID alone.

It's the organizing that the players are doing and how to respond to it.
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It wouldn't be the first time dumb@$$e$ have killed the Golden Goose. I love college football but its not essential to my well being. I've kicked the NFL, NBA, and MLB to the trash heap over kneeling already and will never go back. Please vote in November....our country is swirling the drain! 🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲
 
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#253
Am I missing something when it come to the student athletes getting paid for likeness? That will be an incremental increase in money to fund college sports.

The universities keep their money to pay for everything and the students get their cut for their likeness.

If this is about covid sit out. I understand the concern and I’ve got no beef with that. Some say concern is wasted on covid, some say we aren’t doing enough.

Hind sight is 2020. Maybe it will be 2021 this time.
 
#254
#254
TheRealUT98 said:
Ok so I’m going to go at it respectfully but from the other side possibly just because of my age (under 30). I understand and agree that it’s a blessing to have your college paid for playing a sport is fantastic. However since 2000 the game had started making a ridiculous amount of revenue off the backs of players that get paid zero from it. I saw a statistic that the profits gained from a few weekends of marquee matchups in the SEC could cover every scholarship on every SEC team and start tapping into the lower paid position coaches around the conference. I’m not going to waste a ton of time because I do not know if many will even read my opinion but to make it as short as possible, I don’t feel the NCAA or colleges should make so much money they can upgrade there stadiums every 5 years but these kids (look at inky Johnson) give there lives for a sport and some of there parents go home to no power or anything. Time to stop being ok with millionaires continuing to make millions, pretty much every one else involved gets paid very well, but the athletes must get nothing? No I don’t agree with that
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All correct, they did bring in huge revenues, but their athletic budgets increased as well so the more they made the more they spent. Only a few schools have created large surpluses and UT is not one of them. They spend it like drunken sailors, more equipment, bigger recruiting budget, higher coaching salaries, paying off old contracts, new uniforms every game and of course funding non-revenue sports. Bowl game revenues are usually spend in the expense of going to the bowl. Not cash cows for the universities for sure. Now greed and over-spending have caught up with them.
 
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#255
The Original Fade said:
I wish somebody in power had the stones to tell these groups to go pound sand with their list of demands. And in those exact words at a press conference. Set the example and watch the liberal sports media flip out. Won’t happen though
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As good as that sounds, players would "Opt out" for fear of covid.
 
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#260
Rasputin_Vol said:
I don't understand this logic from so-called free market conservative capitalists. Seems like when it comes to athletes getting paid, they turn into socialists or sweatshop owners...
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I am a conservative capitalist and I agree with you. I would even go further and say it shouldn't fund the sports that can't support themselves. That is socialism.
 
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#261
Raebo said:
I am a conservative capitalist and I agree with you. I would even go further and say it shouldn't fund the sports that can't support themselves. That is socialism.
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I wouldn't go that far...Im a Libertarian Constitutionalist....so I'm entirely against socialism. I however do not agree that one sport within the same organization funding another one constitutes as socilism by definition. Its a socialistic idea within one entity. For instance if you have a business, and you have one section of your business that makes a load of money on its own, but you have another section of your business that doesn't fund itself. That second section of your business may have other opportunities that when funded can bring other assets to your business. Same within a college....one entity, using one section of its business (football) to fund another section (say softball) because it brings other opportunity to their business as a whole. I think a single entity should be able to choose exactly how they run their own business.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I don't understand this logic from so-called free market conservative capitalists. Seems like when it comes to athletes getting paid, they turn into socialists or sweatshop owners...
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I appreciate you getting where I was coming from. And not “oh you disagree with my 1940s upbringing, you’re a socialist bastard” Go VOLS, hopefully all is having a great Sunday. You can disagree with someone without them having to symbolize your fears/worries. This is a football 🏈 forum I will not talk politics because as I stated this is a football page
 
#263
#263
Start season week of Sat,...Sept 26th, so games can be played on Thrus the 24th and Fri the 25th. Have a 10 game season & hold conf championships on Dec 19th. That gives them 12 weeks to get 10 games in.
 
#265
#265
Roustabout said:
We already have pro sports. What’s so hard to understand about that?
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There’s quite a bit that is difficult to understand when it comes to a amateur athletics.

Kids not being eligible to to go pro until after a certain amount of time in college is a good starting point though.
 
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#267
NashVol11 said:
Fans love seeing schools/teams/coaches bring in revenue but HATE when players get anything
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That is not true at all but let’s take a look at what they get already and why they get it. Players get free education, free food, free housing, free tutors, preference in scheduling classes, etc. The only reason this opportunity exists is because universities exist to provide an education. If they don’t think that is enough than I say hit the rode.
 
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99bubble said:
Ok, so for you, socialism is the key. Let's let a few people decide what should or should not happen to an entity they have no stake in?! Right?! That's your point?

I can't, for the life of me, understand how someone would genuinely think they have the right to tell someone else how to live or run their business! If someone goes home to no power in their house why in the heck is that UT's problem?!! If you are truly worried about it, you go put the utility bill in YOUR name and pay it, all the time. You say the system is making money "off the backs of the players", what does that have to do with the price of tea in India?! If you DON'T want a free education, all wrapped up with facilities and pampering that almost none of us will ever enjoy in our lifetimes, then please...MOVE ON! There are literally thousands of kids waiting behind you to take that opportunity because, guess what, they don't want their power cut off one day like it was when they were kids! For some reason we (some in society) have decided that ANY struggle that they deem worthy, should be solved so people don't have to experience the pain. The truth, whether anyone wants to believe it or not, is that pain almost ALWAYS brings about growth, steels your resolve, and helps one persevere. Ease and comfort absolutely do not! You, in your desire to feel great about spending someone else's money for a cause you deem worthy, would take away the chance for someone to come to UT, work hard, make a good living, and change their family direction through hard work and dedication.

We have become ENTITLED and the worst part of it is we don't even realize it. It may be easy and sound good to say "they make millions and that person doesn't have electricity!!" but what you are ALWAYS saying, whether you like it or not, is that you are FOR stealing from one person and giving it to another that hasn't earned it. Again, YOU pay the utility bill if it bothers you. Because, one day, someone will come for you and take your money because, hey, you shouldn't have the ability to eat out while others do not.
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A few people are deciding, they are called billionaires!
 
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#269
If the NCAA attempts to play politics, or if they try to flex muscle, then continue to circulate the rumors. I get nervous of breaking away completely, but,.... I would be interested in a hybrid situation where the NCAA has limited, or less say so.
 
#270
#270
Rasputin_Vol said:
What does that mean? These players generate revenue. They deserve a cut of the action.
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"deserving" compensation is socialism. You get what the market says you are worth.

And trying to apply free market principals to state supported schools is not valid.
 
#271
#271
dobre_shunka said:
"deserving" compensation is socialism. You get what the market says you are worth.

And trying to apply free market principals to state supported schools is not valid.
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College coaches are some of the most (if not the highest) paid state employees In a lot of states. Especially in the south.

If you add up all of the expenses covered by the university for a student athlete, then compare it to the coaches compensation the difference is vast.

How much does the market say that guys like Trey Smith should make?
 
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#272
#272
The Original Fade said:
I wish somebody in power had the stones to tell these groups to go pound sand with their list of demands. And in those exact words at a press conference. Set the example and watch the liberal sports media flip out. Won’t happen though
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That's one of the biggest issues today. People cannot speak out when they oppose a liberal viewpoint without being labeled a hater or racist. We need leaders who will grow a pair.
 
#273
#273
PitterPatter said:
How much does the market say that guys like Trey Smith should make?
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He's getting an education worth about $45k per year tax free so if college football was a free market situation that's what the market says he's worth. However college is not a free market so it's a moot point
 
#274
#274
IPleadInsanity said:
All correct, they did bring in huge revenues, but their athletic budgets increased as well so the more they made the more they spent. Only a few schools have created large surpluses and UT is not one of them. They spend it like drunken sailors, more equipment, bigger recruiting budget, higher coaching salaries, paying off old contracts, new uniforms every game and of course funding non-revenue sports. Bowl game revenues are usually spend in the expense of going to the bowl. Not cash cows for the universities for sure. Now greed and over-spending have caught up with them.
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Yup. CBJ made 10x what FULMER was making per year lol.

And coaches make so much partly due to the artificially deflated compensation of players.

Players don't make market value, plain and simple.
 
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#275
dobre_shunka said:
"deserving" compensation is socialism. You get what the market says you are worth.

And trying to apply free market principals to state supported schools is not valid.
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Then open up the market and see.

You can't tell me a benchwarmer nfl rookie is worth hundreds of thousands, Butch Jones was worth $4mm, and Jaylen Reeves-Maybin was worth a scholarship. That is delusional.

Where are the free market capitalists?
 
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