Several rumors circulating

So, most players want t bire the hand that feeds them. They are making their demands hich will end up eliminating College football as we know it. What will happen is the most talented high school players will try to straight go the NFL Most will not make the team and they will end up " pumping" gas or some other low paying labor related jobs. Those who reall want an education, will go to College, get an education and be prepared to earn a nice salary and live a productive life. Let the players who want to make their demands make them. Most will be left out and will pay the price for the rest of their lives. Thousands and thousands of football players have managed to remove themselves from very low income surroundings and become leaders in today's society. I would hate to see the greedy actions of a few of the "elite" playes take away the opportunity of the thousands of others who will not make it in the NFL.

This entire rant amuses me. How much money does just UT make off the football program each fall? $100m plus? Sure there are expenses that come out of it, but that's the revenue it generates. Do you know who generates that revenue? Those players. Schools need students and student athletes, period. They aren't biting the hand that feeds them when they're controlling their own health concerns. Colleges want kids back in dorms because it would cut into their profits if they aren't. Colleges are business entities, and students and student athletes are their consumers and revenue generators. Just because you're pissed that a bunch of young men and women would dare stand up for their actual rights and concerns doesn't make you anywhere close to correct. Greedy "elite" players aren't the only ones participating in this. Most of these players are well aware that they'll never go pro, but they don't want to suit up, get sick, and potentially die for the fans' entertainment, and in a sane world we wouldn't question that right. It's ignorance at its highest level. Their lives don't belong to the University they play for. I would love to see college, high school, and athletics in general now as much as anyone, but I'd also like for them to be in the safest environment possible... for their actual futures, and not for my entertainment.
 
That the reason for potentially cancelling the season is actually not COVID, or not COVID alone.

It's the organizing that the players are doing and how to respond to it.
All the more reason the schools should take a unified and hard stance. If they do not want the free education and want to make it about something other than that relationship... then others can replace them.
 
Not sure what the top American sport is going to be in 10 years but it doesn't look like football is on a good path right now.

If we really thought about it most of us true college football fans (I count myself as one - VFL) don't really care about the objective quality of play. We only care if we can beat Alabama, Florida, etc. If the SEC, for example just quit giving football scholarships and fielded a team of true student athletes, like the IVY League does (financial aid based on need across the entire student body), I would still go to or watch every Vol game on TV. Because other than making it easier to recruit, I don’t care if any of our players go to the NFL. I don’t watch the NFL until the playoffs, and only have a rooting interest based on what former Vols are on the team. I don’t want college football to turn into the football equivalent of minor league baseball. Let the NFL set up and fund their own minor league system. Every kid who aspires to play football professionally can then go chase the money. Then we can watch our amateur student-athlete players compete for the thrill of beating our rivals and not for the NFL scouts in the stands. Pipe dream I know but the college football we all know and love is over one way or the other.
 
There are all kind of complications with all of this. As some have stated, some schools will have more money than others and then some players on the same team will get paid more than others potential causing problems between players on the same team. Another issue is the potential for players to become employees. If so there is the potential for them to have to pay taxes on all benefits including scholarships and other benefits. This will result in less money for many players. I’m with some of the earlier posts. The purpose of these universities is education, if these players don’t want a free education than move on to the next player/student that does.
 
According to Dan Patrick:

Rumor has it that the Big 10 and PAC 12 want to cancel their seasons. ACC and Big 12 are on the fence. SEC is trying to get other teams to join the SEC for just this season.

Sounds like the SEC is giving the other conferences the middle finger. I love it. If it plays out like this it could be very, very interesting.

This is all very interesting, obviously. According to DP, the Big Ten is 12-2 in favor of canceling the season with Nebraska and Iowa being the dissenters. I understand the concept that bringing in extra schools from key markets could lead to a financial windfall for a sixteen or eighteen-team SEC this fall, but I'm not sure that Nebraska and Iowa (combined population less than South Carolina) provide enough of a revenue boost to offset splitting the pie among more teams. If Ohio State's new president is not interested in playing Big Ten football this fall, I doubt she'd sign up for a one-season stint in a league that would require even more travel.

Nebraska and Iowa do have huge fan bases, but I'm sure the SEC is angling for programs like Notre Dame and Oklahoma instead of those two. If this were to pan out, I have absolutely no idea how you reshape the schedules to maximize the utility of new programs without destroying any semblance of schedule equity or telling Vandy/Mizzou to kick rocks (which, of course, won't happen).
 
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A lot of these players wouldn't be in college if the NFL had a minor league system. That would suit me just fine. Don't let the door hit you in the ass if you don't want to go to class. I will be happy watching the ones who want to be here.

The NFL already has a minor league system called the SEC.
 
This is all very interesting, obviously. According to DP, the Big Ten is 12-2 in favor of canceling the season with Nebraska and Iowa being the dissenters. I understand the concept that bringing in extra schools from key markets could lead to a financial windfall for a sixteen or eighteen-team SEC this fall, but I'm not sure that Nebraska and Iowa (combined population less than South Carolina) provide enough of a revenue boost to offset splitting the pie among more teams. If Ohio State's new president is not interested in playing Big Ten football this fall, I doubt she'd sign up for a one-season stint in a league that would require even more travel.

Nebraska and Iowa do have huge fan bases, but I'm sure the SEC is angling for programs like Notre Dame and Oklahoma instead of those two. If this were to pan out, I have absolutely no idea how you reshape the schedules to maximize the utility of new programs without destroying any semblance of schedule equity or telling Vandy/Mizzou to kick rocks (which, of course, won't happen).

Your points are valid my friend. I am sure that teams like Notre Dame, Clemson, Oklahoma, Texas, ect would be invited to come play. I would hate to leave teams out like Iowa and Nebraska though. If they wanted to play this year in the SEC then I say welcome them in. Like you say, huge fan bases. Lot's of eyeballs watching the TV.

You're dang sure right about scheduling. How the heck would that work? Could be fun!
 
This entire rant amuses me. How much money does just UT make off the football program each fall? $100m plus? Sure there are expenses that come out of it, but that's the revenue it generates. Do you know who generates that revenue? Those players. Schools need students and student athletes, period.
No. Absolutely NO. The school does "need" student athletes if they choose to have a program. They do not need "THOSE" players. If "those players" do not want the scholarship offer then there are literally 1000's who would love to have a free education while living the dream of playing at that level.

They aren't biting the hand that feeds them when they're controlling their own health concerns.
Yes they are and if they're concerned about their health then they should stop playing and find another path in life. The value of the FREE education and fame they get from playing isn't limited to 4 or 5 years. It gives them a lifetime earning potential of 2 or 3 times that of the average American. You DO REMEMBER that most other students PAY FOR THAT PRIVILEGE, right? I mean I really don't understand how folks like you can employ such perverse logic.... the athlete gets something for free (and then some) that the average kid borrows $100,000 plus to do.

Colleges want kids back in dorms because it would cut into their profits if they aren't.
Yes. Schools need revenue just like everything and everyone else. Whether kids are there or not, there are costs... including the teachers you probably think should get paid regardless, right?

Colleges are business entities, and students and student athletes are their consumers and revenue generators. Just because you're pissed that a bunch of young men and women would dare stand up for their actual rights and concerns doesn't make you anywhere close to correct.
Would I be "standing up for my rights" if you agreed to teach me your trade when you normally charged someone else to learn it... and I DEMANDED that you pay me... or else? No. You offered a great deal. I took it... and can walk away if I come to believe it is "unfair" or a threat to my health.

Greedy "elite" players aren't the only ones participating in this. Most of these players are well aware that they'll never go pro, but they don't want to suit up, get sick, and potentially die for the fans' entertainment, and in a sane world we wouldn't question that right.
They don't have to. They can stupidly believe a false narrative like you have. Around 30 Americans under 24 have died from Covid since February. In the same period, far more have died due to distraction in auto accidents... are they protesting having to ride in cars? More have died of the flu and do every year in that age group... where were the protests? More will actually die of falls... where are the protests?

It's ignorance at its highest level.
Indeed it is... a false narrative scares people. They accept it uncritically then overreact.... and point fingers at others for not being "reasonable".

Their lives don't belong to the University they play for. I would love to see college, high school, and athletics in general now as much as anyone, but I'd also like for them to be in the safest environment possible... for their actual futures, and not for my entertainment.
Who said they did? Seriously. Name the person who said they did. NO ONE believes that. The athlete has a CHOICE. He can take the scholarship offer and play or he can follow his convictions and walk away from it. There are LOTS of paths in life. Any of them can do as MY SONS did and join the military to pay for college. They can work a job and take about the same course load... and maybe even cut their work hours.

NO ONE has said that THESE particular players MUST play. They can walk away if they want.
 
That the reason for potentially cancelling the season is actually not COVID, or not COVID alone.

It's the organizing that the players are doing and how to respond to it.

If the PAC player's statement is spreading across the P5, I'd cancel too. So much killing the golden goose going on and people are too blind to see it.
 
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Well if it were like the G-league they would be funded by the NFL. The NBA helped set up that league thats why u see 5 star recruits choosing to go get paid instead enjoying the college atmosphere. How many guys have u seen drafted time after time whose entire family depends on them finacially?? If they offer a couple 100 grand guys will forget all about fun trust me
Go for it.
 
No. Absolutely NO. The school does "need" student athletes if they choose to have a program. They do not need "THOSE" players. If "those players" do not want the scholarship offer then there are literally 1000's who would love to have a free education while living the dream of playing at that level.

Yes they are and if they're concerned about their health then they should stop playing and find another path in life. The value of the FREE education and fame they get from playing isn't limited to 4 or 5 years. It gives them a lifetime earning potential of 2 or 3 times that of the average American. You DO REMEMBER that most other students PAY FOR THAT PRIVILEGE, right? I mean I really don't understand how folks like you can employ such perverse logic.... the athlete gets something for free (and then some) that the average kid borrows $100,000 plus to do.

Yes. Schools need revenue just like everything and everyone else. Whether kids are there or not, there are costs... including the teachers you probably think should get paid regardless, right?

Would I be "standing up for my rights" if you agreed to teach me your trade when you normally charged someone else to learn it... and I DEMANDED that you pay me... or else? No. You offered a great deal. I took it... and can walk away if I come to believe it is "unfair" or a threat to my health.

They don't have to. They can stupidly believe a false narrative like you have. Around 30 Americans under 24 have died from Covid since February. In the same period, far more have died due to distraction in auto accidents... are they protesting having to ride in cars? More have died of the flu and do every year in that age group... where were the protests? More will actually die of falls... where are the protests?

Indeed it is... a false narrative scares people. They accept it uncritically then overreact.... and point fingers at others for not being "reasonable".


Who said they did? Seriously. Name the person who said they did. NO ONE believes that. The athlete has a CHOICE. He can take the scholarship offer and play or he can follow his convictions and walk away from it. There are LOTS of paths in life. Any of them can do as MY SONS did and join the military to pay for college. They can work a job and take about the same course load... and maybe even cut their work hours.

NO ONE has said that THESE particular players MUST play. They can walk away if they want.



/end thread
 
Not true. The whole system is too big. Athletics in general are way overpriced and overrated. Most middle class people are beginning to have problems identifying with college athletes when they themselves have to work for a college education to make a decent life. Most non-athletes leave college with massive debt that haunts them for years.

Then you get these privileged athletes who get everything handed to them take it for granted. These guys live in palaces, get free meals, tutoring and whatever grades they need regardless of their learning effort. Then a few of them get drafted get big pay checks and poo poos on the rest of society.

If you really want us to respect these kids then give them a dose of reality. Let them have a farm league, ride charter buses, and stay in cheap hotel rooms like baseball players do. Then let them see if they can get a contract for the NFL.

In the meantime colleges and universities need to fulfill their purpose and get back to providing education for the masses.

Me: “people are fine with coaches and schools swimming in money, but hate when players get anything”

You: “not true” *immediately rants about how players are getting too much and are entitled*

Lol, thanks for proving my point
 
So is this how the SEC, ACC and Big12 break away and form their own power conference? Under the circumstances, can Nebraska and Iowa get out of the Big10 with no repercussions? This whole thing is crazy and I’m so sick of politics and COVID!
GBO!!
 
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Go for it.
OR u can just start paying these guys that are making these schools 100's of millions anyway. It would be real hard to get that TV money if all the top recruits are getting paid to play in some alternate league that fast tracks them to the NFL. 85 scholorships doesnt even compare to the amount of money these programs make in just 1 year. That kills shady recruiting that we all know happens everyday and it free's up scholorships that can go towards something else. But hey thats just my opinion.
 
So is this how the SEC, ACC and Big12 break away and form their own power conference? Under the circumstances, can Nebraska and Iowa get out of the Big10 with no repercussions? This whole thing is crazy and I’m so sick of politics and COVID!
GBO!!
I saw an article about the SEC considering letting the ACC, Oklahoma, and Texas join for 1 season. Would be a wild and entertaining season imo. The Tennessee/Oklahoma game could be played after all. Might be the start of super conferences.
 
The players should organize behind the idea of making sure their season is played, and their opportunity to showcase their talents for their future employers (NFL) are not denied by college administrator bureaucrats who don’t know whether to crap or wind their watches.

#WeWantToPlay
 
I saw an article about the SEC considering letting the ACC, Oklahoma, and Texas join for 1 season. Would be a wild and entertaining season imo. The Tennessee/Oklahoma game could be played after all. Might be the start of super conferences.
I am all for that.It would be off the charts good.
 
This is all very interesting, obviously. According to DP, the Big Ten is 12-2 in favor of canceling the season with Nebraska and Iowa being the dissenters. I understand the concept that bringing in extra schools from key markets could lead to a financial windfall for a sixteen or eighteen-team SEC this fall, but I'm not sure that Nebraska and Iowa (combined population less than South Carolina) provide enough of a revenue boost to offset splitting the pie among more teams. If Ohio State's new president is not interested in playing Big Ten football this fall, I doubt she'd sign up for a one-season stint in a league that would require even more travel.

Nebraska and Iowa do have huge fan bases, but I'm sure the SEC is angling for programs like Notre Dame and Oklahoma instead of those two. If this were to pan out, I have absolutely no idea how you reshape the schedules to maximize the utility of new programs without destroying any semblance of schedule equity or telling Vandy/Mizzou to kick rocks (which, of course, won't happen).
Careful with putting those two letters together. The Browns can attest to that.

So they projected the Browns feed onto a giant wall at the facility. It was like broadcasting talk radio over the entire building, and one day in particular, it was worse than that. One of the marketing staffers entered a search for #dp -- for Dawg Pound. The problem was, that hashtag carried a few different meanings, one of which triggered an array of porn to be broadcast onto a wall for the entire office to see for more than 20 minutes, until a tech employee killed the feed.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/01/24/cleveland-browns-dysfunction-porn-broadcast
 
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Joe Burrow made such a powerful statement. Paraphrasing; he was an average dude going into last season. He had the year of his life, in an offense for the ages, in a season for the ages. Had the season been canceled on him, he may be looking for a “real” job right now.
 
I saw an article about the SEC considering letting the ACC, Oklahoma, and Texas join for 1 season. Would be a wild and entertaining season imo. The Tennessee/Oklahoma game could be played after all. Might be the start of super conferences.
The reason I bring up Nebraska and Iowa is because reports are saying they were the only Big10 teams to vote for the season to take place.
GBO!!
 
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So is this how the SEC, ACC and Big12 break away and form their own power conference? Under the circumstances, can Nebraska and Iowa get out of the Big10 with no repercussions? This whole thing is crazy and I’m so sick of politics and COVID!
GBO!!

That would be attractive but unlikely. I just can’t see the university presidents bucking the trend of the Big10/PAC12. I would love for the ACC/SEC/Big12 and Notre Dame break away and form their alternative to the NCAA. Start from scratch/new rules etc.
 
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