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The players need to be careful because there is some stuff I am not sure they have thought of.

  • Not all these programs make money. So, you are talking about destroying the NCAA and forming a new organization made up only of profitable programs.
  • They are not collective bargaining with Jerry Jones and Daniel Snyder. The University of Florida or the University of Tennessee does not have an “owner”. Worse yet, you’re not even taking on the University of Florida or the University of Tennessee. You are taking on the State of Tennessee or the State of Florida. But, if it's the school president or board of regents making decisions, I'm not sure how much those people are going to care about athletics. Some of them don't in the first place.
  • Schools have to deal with Title IX and a whole bunch of other stuff that the professional leagues don’t. So, will these sports be allowed to act as separate entities or is the athletic program the entity. It seems to me that if and when the legal challenge is made it will have to be considered one or the other. So, let’s see how far this goes once the Title IX folks realize they are about to be screwed.
  • In addition, as I have mentioned before, if they are employees who have collectively bargained for terms of payment. Then, (1) they are going to have to pay taxes and (2) they can be fired.
The other thing that will be an interesting argument is sponsorship dollars. Example: If Coca-Cola is the official soft drink of the University of Georgia, usually that means that Pepsi is not sold on campus. And that has nothing to do with football or basketball.
 
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firedog28 said:
I'm going on record with you guys so you know,if these kids plan to kneel when the star spangled banner is played,I will not contribute to that.I have loved the Vols since I was a kid and I'm 74 now.I just cannot disrespect the flag and what it represents to me!We will have to wait and see.I hope the coaches can talk to them and give them something else to show support of their causes!
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That's an interesting question. In normal times the teams aren't on the field during the National Anthem...at least at UT home games. Would this season have been different? If so, a bad look for college football.

They can cite unity all they want but I doubt the donors GAF what they think. The $$$$ supply is about to dry up, IMO.
 
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GAVol said:
The pay issue is a drop in the bucket compared to this imo. Adding Covid to the mix just further highlights the elephant in the room - players receiving similar benefits to 30 years ago despite the revenue stream increasing exponentially. It was only a matter of time before they organized and asked for a piece of the pie.
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The AAC player group wants 20% of revenue. If the SEC had a player group demanding the same % of league revenue, it would amount to $120,000 per football player EACH year, for a total of $480,000 after spending 4 years playing. That’s plus free tuition, room, and board. But yeah, these 18 year olds are reasonable, lol.
 
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The Original Fade said:
The AAC player group wants 20% of revenue. If the SEC had a player group demanding the same % of league revenue, it would amount to $120,000 per football player EACH year, for a total of $480,000 after spending 4 years playing. That’s plus free tuition, room, and board. But yeah, these 18 year olds are reasonable, lol.
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I’m not arguing that it’s reasonable; just that it was inevitable that eventually players were going to ask for a piece of that $45 million that every school gets in rights fees every year. I don’t know what the answer is, but it’s complicated for sure.
 
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firedog28 said:
I'm going on record with you guys so you know,if these kids plan to kneel when the star spangled banner is played,I will not contribute to that.I have loved the Vols since I was a kid and I'm 74 now.I just cannot disrespect the flag and what it represents to me!We will have to wait and see.I hope the coaches can talk to them and give them something else to show support of their causes!
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we will probably know for sure as to howthe college players would react. they do not come onto the field till after the Anthem is played.
 
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GAVol said:
I’m not arguing that it’s reasonable; just that it was inevitable that eventually players were going to ask for a piece of that $45 million that every school gets in rights fees every year. I don’t know what the answer is, but it’s complicated for sure.
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It's complicated but easily doable. It's a must, this situation should no longer thrive, it has been and is a pathetic joke how the athletes are being milked.
 
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Hate to see this political activism come to college football. Nobody cares what a bunch of privileged athletes think. Does anyone think they care what me or any of us thinks? Of course not and they shouldn't because that's silly. Sports is supposed to be an escape from that nonsense. We'll never see Neyland stadium or any college stadium full again if this is the direction things are headed. One thing corona taught my family is how enjoyable it is to get outside and go for a hike somewhere. It's a lot more enjoyable than sitting in front of a TV for 3 hours. We won't be watching a bunch of woke ingrates with no sense of how fortunate they truly are that's for sure.
 
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Dumbledorange said:
It's complicated but easily doable. It's a must, this situation should no longer thrive, it has been and is a pathetic joke how the athletes are being milked.
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That's not relevant. If I am an employee and the company doesn't make money, I expect to get paid for the work that I did. So, the principle is ....is this employment or not.

The....well, schools didn't used to make money so it was ok. But, now, they make money, so I want mine is BS.

That's another part of this that people haven't thought through. If it's employment at the University of Florida, it's employment at Mississippi Valley State.

And with that thought, it's employment in high school.

A cashier at Mom and Pop Hardware store is entitled to be paid the same way a cashier at Home Depot is entitled to be paid. The fact that one business barely breaks even and the other is a massive corporation doesn't change the fact that both are employees and both need to be paid.

So, what this sets up is a small number of schools who can pay and a whole bunch of schools who can't.
 
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Dumbledorange said:
It's complicated but easily doable. It's a must, this situation should no longer thrive, it has been and is a pathetic joke how the athletes are being milked.
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Athletes are getting milked? Please. Have fun when there’s a player strike 2 weeks before kickoff because a player group wants a bigger piece of the pie.......or at Least that’s what their lawyer told them to say
 
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99gator said:
That's not relevant. If I am an employee and the company doesn't make money, I expect to get paid for the work that I did. So, the principle is ....is this employment or not.

The....well, schools didn't used to make money so it was ok. But, now, they make money, so I want mine is BS.

That's another part of this that people haven't thought through. If it's employment at the University of Florida, it's employment at Mississippi Valley State.

And with that thought, it's employment in high school.

A cashier at Mom and Pop Hardware store is entitled to be paid the same way a cashier at Home Depot is entitled to be paid. The fact that one business barely breaks even and the other is a massive corporation doesn't change the fact that both are employees and both need to be paid.

So, what this sets up is a small number of schools who can pay and a whole bunch of schools who can't.
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Yeah the schools use most of that revenue to fund the athletic departments as a whole. Practically every sport but football and basketball makes no money.

The schools that actually make money from sports in general is few and far between. Football schools with big fan bases and some basketball schools.

But even basketball schools like UConn aren't actually making money because football drains all of it.

Almost nobody can afford to do it and it would thus take thousands of athletic scholarships from poorer institutions and water down the competion. The NCAA would fold and there would be traditionless minor league teams or something.
 
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GAVol said:
I’m not arguing that it’s reasonable; just that it was inevitable that eventually players were going to ask for a piece of that $45 million that every school gets in rights fees every year. I don’t know what the answer is, but it’s complicated for sure.
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It’s not that complicated. No. Don’t like that answer? You can apply to college as a regular student without consideration of your athletic ability, or you can get a job.
 
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PlanetVolunteer said:
Yeah the schools use most of that revenue to fund the athletic departments as a whole. Practically every sport but football and basketball makes no money.

The schools that actually make money from sports in general is few and far between. Football schools with big fan bases and some basketball schools.

But even basketball schools like UConn aren't actually making money because football drains all of it.

Almost nobody can afford to do it and it would thus take thousands of athletic scholarships from poorer institutions and water down the competion. The NCAA would fold and there would be traditionless minor league teams or something.
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That's why it would be interesting to see if the court would rule these things to be separate entities or the athletic department to be the single entity.

When it came to Title IX, it was the entire athletic department. Which is why several men's sports were cut in order to comply with Title IX because there wasn't a women's sport that used 85 scholarships.

People haven't even considered what this would do to DII, DIII, FCS, etc.

People also don't know that you're right about profitability in general. Florida used to take it's extra profit and give it to the school library. But, this attitude that there is a Jerry Jones or a bunch of stockholders walking away with a bunch of loot is where the false premise begins.
 
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Vol423 said:
It’s not that complicated. No. Don’t like that answer? You can apply to college as a regular student without consideration of your athletic ability, or you can get a job.
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I meant- it’s complicated... if they decide they have to make concessions legally. It’s not like football can do much unilaterally as long as schools have to navigate the ncaa, Title IX etc.
 
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give_him 6 said:
Were your hikes in the Great Smoky Mountains National Park? If so, which trails? We just got back and loved the hikes there.
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I hike everywhere my top 5 faves are
1) Mt. Cammerer
2) Charlie's Bunion
3) Arch Rock Alum Cave to LeConte
4) Gregory Bald
5) Porter's Creek
My least fave is one alot of ppl love Ramsey's Cascades...Everytime I hike the trail it seems to be flooded...they need a foot bridge at that last stream before the falls...also I feel like I'm tripping over tree roots or crawling over rocks and it's just not very enjoyable to me....miss it we live on the gulf coast now and my hiking is generally walking around barrier islands or bogs
 
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The Original Fade said:
Athletes are getting milked? Please. Have fun when there’s a player strike 2 weeks before kickoff because a player group wants a bigger piece of the pie.......or at Least that’s what their lawyer told them to say
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I'll have fun rooting for them while you cry in your beers about not getting your football fix.
 
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PlanetVolunteer said:
So does a third string offensive tackle deserve 20 percent of the revenue?

A punter?

A player who has been redshirted?
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To me, revenue sharing is an impossible concept in college for a lot of reasons. Other things like extended healthcare and disability insurance, I can at least get my head around the argument.
 
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College sports may need to fail. The money involved has been growing exponentially and it was mentioned many times to be unsustainable. Universities bringing in $150M in revenue shouldn’t be breaking even or only making single digit % profits. Coordinators shouldn’t be making $1M+ per year for amateur sports. There shouldn’t be 130 schools playing D1 football.

It may not be so bad for college sports to fail. A full reset might be what’s best overall.
 
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