Seth Price's Vols Film Study: Problems on Defense

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Another insightful article by Seth. Thanks for posting, Ace.

Discouraging to read how the defensive play started off well with Mixon stunting inside to take on two blockers (one of which was the pulling guard) only to have the play fall apart with Bynum and Jumper in the same gap (D). The question is: did Bynum screw up by taking on the block with his outside shoulder preventing him from controlling the E gap, or did Jumper get confused with his assignment by scrapping to the D when he was supposed to scrap to the E? I know which way I am leaning. Based on the concept to avoid getting blocked to the inside and Jumper's reported intelligence with the play calls, I'm thinking it's Bynum. It has been a problem all year which suggests the coaches arent on the same page or are not communicating understandably to the players.
 
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McDad said:
Another insightful article by Seth. Thanks for posting, Ace.

Discouraging to read how the defensive play started off well with Mixon stunting inside to take on two blockers (one of which was the pulling guard) only to have the play fall apart with Bynum and Jumper in the same gap (D). The question is: did Bynum screw up by taking on the block with his outside shoulder preventing him from controlling the E gap, or did Jumper get confused with his assignment by scrapping to the D when he was supposed to scrap to the E? I know which way I am leaning. Based on the concept to avoid getting blocked to the inside and Jumper's reported intelligence with the play calls, I'm thinking it's Bynum. It has been a problem all year which suggests the coaches arent on the same page or are not communicating understandably to the players.
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Not sure but very possible that Bynum took on blocker with wrong shoulder thus preventing Jumper from filling the right gap. Everyone must be on the same page. One missed assignment can be costly.
 
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You can communicate all you want but if a player simply isn't able to perform on the field then it falls back to the player and the coaches who evaluated the player during recruiting. Bates is in the same boat, he simply has no clue what to do when he gets on the field. Linebacker is a very difficult position to play at the next level and Tennessee has not recruited very well there the past several years outside of Maybin, and Johnson.
 
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Ace said:
Not sure but very possible that Bynum took on blocker with wrong shoulder thus preventing Jumper from filling the right gap. Everyone must be on the same page. One missed assignment can be costly.
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Every Vol fan can attest to your last sentence, my friend.

Which is more likely in your mind:

- Defensive scheme is too complex?
- LB coaching substandard or ineffective?
- Players going rogue and not maintaining discipline?
- Players dropping fundamentals of blocking/shedding?
- Mistakes from fatigue (too many plays and too aggressive playcalls)?
- Combo of the above?
 
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Jumper tries I will give him that but he is just not in the same league athletically as most of the opponents we face in the SEC and other teams exploit it
 
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lexkyvol said:
Nope....this is bad, bad lb play on jumper's part. why in the world would you try a gap already covered?
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Interesting. You and came away with different people to fault.

Do you think Jumper went to incorrect assignment or didnt adjust to E gap once he saw Bynum in the D (even if it was an error on Bynum's part)?
 
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landscapingvol said:
Jumper tries I will give him that but he is just not in the same league athletically as most of the opponents we face in the SEC and other teams exploit it
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Looks like Bynum & Jumper were beat mentally; not physically.
 
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McDad said:
Every Vol fan can attest to your last sentence, my friend.

Which is more likely in your mind:

- Defensive scheme is too complex?
- LB coaching substandard or ineffective?
- Players going rogue and not maintaining discipline?
- Players dropping fundamentals of blocking/shedding?
- Mistakes from fatigue (too many plays and too aggressive playcalls)?
- Combo of the above?
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I'm betting on a combo, but would add learning curve/lack of talent for some players playing out of possession or being a backup to a back up.
 
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volgr said:
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This board has become so discombobulated that it can't appreciate anything. A GIF where he is throwing up at the feet of the naked blonde would be more apropos.

Thanks, OP. Always enjoy these. Seems like good coaching and practice, practice, practice are the solution if you want to play in Carnegie Hall. Maybe we also need an Aldo Raines GIF?
 
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Part of this is football intelligence or instinct and part of this is coaching. A critical point is made that we don't know who had D gap responsibility but the LB has to read the blocking scheme, his line's position and put himself in position to fill empty gaps.

Even if Jumper misreads to the outside there is more help in the middle than the edge; he should have scraped outside as soon as his DE engaged the blocker and went in the LB should have reacted and moved out; even if slightly.

Someone was out of position and no one had the football sense to correct on the fly: that is both coaching as well as player football IQ. Easy to armchair and I would have probably screwed it up myself but this is where injuries and a heavy rotation add up. No one is used to playing together, communication and/or teammate tendencies are new and gashing runs are the result.

Shoop has led solid defenses his entire career. As others have said it is highly unlikely that he lost his ability to scheme all of a sudden. This points to player development and continuity.

I don't know what next year will look like but I am confident that if we can stay relatively healthy this D will be a point of strength on the team if we get some assistants either bought in or replaced with folks who can coach the heck out of their players.
 
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landscapingvol said:
Jumper tries I will give him that but he is just not in the same league athletically as most of the opponents we face in the SEC and other teams exploit it
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I'm hoping next year we will have someone talented enough to replace him as the backup behind Kirkland.
 
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Based on the call and DL stunt, Bynum should have maintained outside leverage with his outside shoulder free. This would have forced the rb inside to where jumper was filling. This is simple fundamental football that was poorly executed. There is no way the first man at the point of attack(Bynum) should lose contain to the outside. Based on pre snap alignment there is just no way Jumper was responsible for the outside gap. He's aligned over the 1 technique which means he's aligned in the B gap, he should have flowed from B-C-D just as he did. If you look at the still shots from the site you can clearly see Bynum got pinned and allowed the back to bounce outside.
 
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McDad said:
Every Vol fan can attest to your last sentence, my friend.

Which is more likely in your mind:

- Defensive scheme is too complex?
- LB coaching substandard or ineffective?
- Players going rogue and not maintaining discipline?
- Players dropping fundamentals of blocking/shedding?
- Mistakes from fatigue (too many plays and too aggressive playcalls)?
- Combo of the above?
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In article Seth mentioned it could have been either Bynum with wrong shoulder or Jumper in wrong gap. I would lean to Bynum with wrong shoulder, but for a combo of reasons (primarily fatigue and lack of ability to control blocker). Sometimes blocker just is quicker and stronger and controls you. This prevented Jumper from getting in his gap.
Solution: recruit better players and keep them healthy.
We really missed Sapp. JRM and Kirkland hurt but Sapp is going to be an awesome LB and we really needed him this year.
 
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McDad said:
Interesting. You and came away with different people to fault.

Do you think Jumper went to incorrect assignment or didnt adjust to E gap once he saw Bynum in the D (even if it was an error on Bynum's part)?
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bynum was already in the gap......why would jumper even try it? mlb is supposed to read and fill. not read and guess!
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
That's what happens when you have backup DEs starting at DT.
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Much more to it than that. Vickers at 295 was a two year starter. Had OBrien and KMac until games 6 and 7, Tuttle for 7 games as well. Picou is a DT as well and Kongbo is much closer to being a DT than a DE at 6'6" 285. We did slide some bigger DEs like Phillips down out of necessity..... but recall that both Jones and Shoop assured us in the preseason there would be some exotic packages where using those guys inside would be to our advantage...well before any injuries to the DT position occurred.

And missing one starter and 2 backup at DTs doesn't explain why nobody on our defense could get off a block, tackle somebody when they actually got their hands on them, cover anybody in pass coverage and lineup correctly....for all 12 games.

Yes, injuries hurt this team. But as guys like Brent Hubbs, Chris Low and Daniel Lewis (among others) have correctly stated, there was much more wrong with this defense than just injuries and to just blame their deficiencies on injuries alone is "cop out".

The other question to ask is why, after 4 full recruiting classes, was there such a huge drop off from our starters to our second string guys? Hell, even our 3rd stringers in some cases. Many of those guys were 3 and 4 star guys who were too good, too talented to go also ran schools like SCar and Vandy....yet, they couldn't compete with those schools who were "beneath them".
 
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lexkyvol said:
bynum was already in the gap......why would jumper even try it? mlb is supposed to read and fill. not read and guess!
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Do you believe Bynum was controlling the correct gap and using correct shoulder on the block as the playcall designed his responsibilities?
 
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