Seriously confused

#1

pimo1

#orangefont always implied
Joined
Apr 23, 2010
Messages
5,878
Likes
6,336
#1
Before the season when everyone was predicting realistic expectations for the season pretty much everyone with sense whether in support or against Dooley predicted 7-8 wins which would mean we expected to lose 4-5 games which is exactly what this season seems to be headed for.

I get people don't like to lose but these are the games we expected to lose (if we had sense) Every team that has beaten us either is or was at some point ranked in the top 12. All are currently top 12 BCS teams. And it is not like our team flat out didn't belong on the field with those teams when we played them we were in all those games save Florida.

Yes our defense let us down in each and every game but honestly we just switched out not only almost an entire defensive staff but an entirely different defense.

I do not think anyone should be in any way happy with the season but I do not think the level of alarm-ism is appropriate either. This is what a team looks like when it's a year away from winning because whether are not you guys want to hear it we are competing.

If we lose after the USCe game that will be cause for alarm but if we run the table and win a bowl game after that and come out 8-5 how do you fire the coach? The teams we lost to in most cases dominated their other competition and we were the guys that took them to the wire. We ain't gonna do that to Bama and anyone stupid enough to expect that needs their heads checked. They are the best team in the nation hands down and have been for the past 3. If we can keep the final score respectable we should be damn happy.

The chances of winning against Bama or South Carolina are slim in my own opinion as I think the are the best defensive teams, and heck to an extent offensive even, we will face all year. no one has really gotten to our QB this season and when they do bad things happen and these are 2 teams that will get his jersey dirty early and often.

What I am trying to say is this you guys are asking a coach to pull off the impossible and then blaming him for not being able to do it. It is just not possible for the expectations of the average fan to be realized by this team no matter who the coach was because fact is most fans are what would be considered "low-information" voters.

You guys are the guys who walk into a bar on the wrong side of town and write checks your a-- can't cash and wonder why you wake bleeding in a ditch. The guys who went out and painted the rock should be ashamed of themselves. no matter what you think about the guy that move hurt UT. It made us all look like a bunch of stupid, backwards, impatient rednecks. Yeah we want our coach gone so bad we will make UT look like the perfect place to send your kids. Trust me quite a few recruits looked a that and crossed UT off their list and not just for football. Opposing recruiters are wetting their pants in joy.

This is the same ignorant behavior that happened when Fulmer was let go and one reason we could only get Kiffin and then Dooley. You want him gone so you poison the well...that you have to drink from.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 14 people
#2
#2
If we make another coaching change, it'll only mean that the program goes down from here another year. Dooley is doing the right things apart from winning obviously. But if he gets another year here, i think we'll see those wins too.
I am FOR no coaching change at this point. My view on Dooley has changed over the last 3 games. I was a big time believer. Now I am on the fence.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 9 people
#3
#3
...but if we run the table and win a bowl game after that and come out 8-5 how do you fire the coach?

Check out Battle! The $$ did not like him and there was a star name on the horizon (Majors). "Bring Johnny Home!" Majors never won as many games in a season as Battle did but the $$ was silent. They got what they wanted.
...This is the same ignorant behavior that happened when Fulmer was let go and one reason we could only get Kiffin and then Dooley. You want him gone so you poison the well...that you have to drink from.
Ka-ching! I don't think it is the $$ ranting this time. I think it is the same glitz and glamor factor though. Fulmer had no glitz and glamor. He wasn't a rock star type. Neither is Dooley. Given the opportunity, Dooley will win and win big.

Glamor and glitz don't win games. However, the lack of support can certainly help lose games. The attitude slips away. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy. GO BIG ORANGE!
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#4
#4
This is the same ignorant behavior that happened when Fulmer was let go and one reason we could only get Kiffin and then Dooley. You want him gone so you poison the well...that you have to drink from.

On paper Kiffin was a good hire, he brought in a proven recruiter, a supposed defensive guru, and good assistants. The question is, what would be our record if Kiffin never left?
 
#5
#5
On paper Kiffin was a good hire, he brought in a proven recruiter, a supposed defensive guru, and good assistants. The question is, what would be our record if Kiffin never left?

1. Who knows?
2. Who cares?
3. It would not matter because of ineligibility due to NCAA sanctions.
4. What has he done with a pre-season BCS NC contender?
5. What has he done with a pre-season Heismann favorite?
 
  • Like
Reactions: 3 people
#6
#6
If we make another coaching change, it'll only mean that the program goes down from here another year. Dooley is doing the right things apart from winning obviously. But if he gets another year here, i think we'll see those wins too.
I am FOR no coaching change at this point. My view on Dooley has changed over the last 3 games. I was a big time believer. Now I am on the fence.
That is what I really don't get. I can kind of get the Florida thing as a lot of people thought they were "down" and a lot of people seemed to also thing both UGA and Miss State were overrated. Thing is what has happened between when we played them and now has shown those people were wrong..These are some damn good teams that beat us and they will all beat other damn good teams worse than they did us.

We could have won either of those games but honestly we weren't supposed to beat any of them and we weren't supposed to really have a chance with either of them. The fact we didn't win does not mean the coaching is bad. One looking through realistic eyes would maybe see it shows the road we have to travel is longer than some expected. Trust me firing Fulmer left us in a big hole. Kiffins scorched earth approach to rebuilding the program and subsequent abrupt departure dug that hole even deeper and the extremely awesome recruiting class he brought in also set us back 4 years in and of itself. All the good thats left of that class is PWag and Zro. Think about that really hard.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#8
#8
1. Who knows?
2. Who cares?
3. It would not matter because of ineligibility due to NCAA sanctions.
4. What has he done with a pre-season BCS NC contender?
5. What has he done with a pre-season Heismann favorite?
I honestly think if Kiffin had stayed we would be a year ahead of where we are now but I do fear that he played it a bit loose with the rules. That being said I think he felt he had to be that way here to recruit to take chances with some talented but not so stable kids. We would be winning more games now but I don't see that as much of a knock to Dooley as it is evidence of just how damaging his departure was. BB and JJ likely never have meltdowns and leave if Kiffin stays. But if Kiffin had stayed I also think the sanctions the NCAA put on us are much harsher.

All of that plays a factor but does not really touch on the fact that people have unrealistic expectations for this coach and team. Has anyone really though about the fact that the SEC is damn good the past 6-7 years. It has gotten really competitive and we were always in a bad recruiting situation having marginal homegrown talent compared to any state not named Kentucky in the conference.

Funny story. I recently relocated from Chattanooga to Atlanta. I have been to the city/area many many times over the years. I study census numbers a lot because it is kind of a weird hobby of mine. Until I actually moved here it never really dawned on me. I am black. I have lived in mostly black areas in the south most of my life in TN including some time in Memphis. Dude there are more black people in the city, not the metro area the city, of Atlanta than there are in the whole state of TN. The Atlanta metro area has a population pretty much equal to the Population of TN. The whole damn state. When I moved here I was like damn there are a lot of black people and this from a person who has spent a lot of time in Memphis.

We already had that problem of recruiting all the time you throw in 3 coaches in 3 years, fans painting the rock asking for a coach to be fired midseason, the NCAA heat. Who in their right mind wants to coach here much less send their kids here. Trust me any big name coach with a lick of sense is not seriously considering this job especially if we fire Dooley mid-season or if he finishes with 7 or more wins on this schedule.. Yes Dooley is building a good team but the chances of some of our best players leaving early increase exponentially if he is fired.
 
#9
#9
So UF can go from Meyer to Muschamp , be successful and UT has more coaching problems than Memphis! We are UT !! What the hell happened!?! Our AD has one hard job if you ask me. Decisions that have been made will be scrutinized to hell and back , but we must remember that they weren't made by a under qualified individual. Kicking someone when they're down doesn't make anything better. GBO BEATBAMA !
 
  • Like
Reactions: 2 people
#10
#10
So UF can go from Meyer to Muschamp , be successful and UT has more coaching problems than Memphis! We are UT !! What the hell happened!?! Our AD has one hard job if you ask me. Decisions that have been made will be scrutinized to hell and back , but we must remember that they weren't made by a under qualified individual. Kicking someone when they're down doesn't make anything better. GBO BEATBAMA !

Fulmer gone + Kiffin Bolting in 2 years = a lot of player attrition and insecurity in the recruits' minds
Thats what happened. It will take more time than we all thought.
 
#11
#11
...Until I actually moved here it never really dawned on me. I am black...
I bet it was a stunning revelation!

I know it was out of context but I giggled. You are absolutely right about the demographics. It makes it tough. It also makes what is happening seem so much better than a lot of people want to believe.
 
#12
#12
So UF can go from Meyer to Muschamp , be successful and UT has more coaching problems than Memphis! We are UT !! What the hell happened!?! Our AD has one hard job if you ask me. Decisions that have been made will be scrutinized to hell and back , but we must remember that they weren't made by a under qualified individual. Kicking someone when they're down doesn't make anything better. GBO BEATBAMA !
Do you have any idea of what you are even saying? Alabama, Georgia, Florida, LSU, Auburn. You could pick the worst college coach in the universe and put them there and they would be able to recruit a top 25 class every year. Put a good coach there and they could recruit a top 25 without a single out of state kid. If we recruited instate and got every single top player in this state year in and year out we wouldn't have ranked classes. That is a fact.

Trying to compare Florida's coaching situation, or anyone's for that matter, to ours is insane. Muschamp was a direct replacement for a coach that "retired" after having recently won a national championship. How is that in any way comparable to our situation?

News flash, if you are outside the southeast and say you are a UT fan most people will think you are from Texas. People seem to have an inflated sense of self around these parts and dwell on the pasta bit much. We have not been relevant in years as a school and that's in any sport. We haven't positive national news out of our AD since Candace Parker Graduated. We had a good run in the 90's but since 2000 the football program fell victim to the fact we can't recruit West TN very well and that's where the majority of the top talent in state resides. TN is for all intents and purposes 3 distinct states. You have East West and Middle and the 3 are nothing alike culturally and don't get along with each other very well especially east and west.

Can our football program rise again? Hell yes. The job is not impossible it just takes time. Pat Summit built a dynasty. Phil Fulmer built onto a program already in place for years under Battle and Majors and ran that dynasty till the wheels fell off. Cuonzo Martin is building a dynasty on the framework played by Pearl.

Dooley is in the process of building the next football dynasty. He may or may not be the guy that can take us to the promised land but he is doing a great job building the ship that's going to get us there. It is way too early to hit the reset button again. If he can't get 9 wins minimum next season then go ahead fire him. I would not agree with the firing unless there was a total meltdown but at least 4 years is a good amount of time for him to have been given a fair chance. That way the next guy in feels he isn't walking into the same crap Dooley did.

He walked into the job already on the hot seat before they ever played a game and has never had the chance to spend a single day on campus not on one. That is not fair. The same thing happened to CCM but basketball is a totally different sport.. you can turn around a roster with 1 class in one year in basketball. The right 2 players and enough guys that can take up space on the court without tripping over themselves can get you to the NCAA's. So comparing that directly would be apples to oranges.

Pearl didn't leave him a good team but he did build a program and a fanbase that honestly didn't exist before he got here. Men's BB was a joke here before Pearl for a long long time. I didn't even like the guy but started following the team his first season. Dooley walked into a bad team, a program in shambles, and AD in shambles and yeah almost all his inherited best players were headcases.

He had to reboot and build from scratch but because this is UT and not LaTech he was not able to take his time he had to bring in enough JUCO talent to still compete as much as possible until the base was in place. yes Dooley deserves at least some credit for the LaTech season. He built that program not only as coach but as AD. Seriously this reminds me so much of the crap currently going on with a certain other guy given a crap situation and impossible expectations
 
  • Like
Reactions: 3 people
#13
#13
Do you have any idea of what you are even saying? Alabama, Georgia, Florida, LSU, Auburn. You could pick the worst college coach in the universe and put them there and they would be able to recruit a top 25 class every year. Put a good coach there and they could recruit a top 25 without a single out of state kid. If we recruited instate and got every single top player in this state year in and year out we wouldn't have ranked classes. That is a fact.

Trying to compare Florida's coaching situation, or anyone's for that matter, to ours is insane. Muschamp was a direct replacement for a coach that "retired" after having recently won a national championship. How is that in any way comparable to our situation?

News flash, if you are outside the southeast and say you are a UT fan most people will think you are from Texas. People seem to have an inflated sense of self around these parts and dwell on the pasta bit much. We have not been relevant in years as a school and that's in any sport. We haven't positive national news out of our AD since Candace Parker Graduated. We had a good run in the 90's but since 2000 the football program fell victim to the fact we can't recruit West TN very well and that's where the majority of the top talent in state resides. TN is for all intents and purposes 3 distinct states. You have East West and Middle and the 3 are nothing alike culturally and don't get along with each other very well especially east and west.

Can our football program rise again? Hell yes. The job is not impossible it just takes time. Pat Summit built a dynasty. Phil Fulmer built onto a program already in place for years under Battle and Majors and ran that dynasty till the wheels fell off. Cuonzo Martin is building a dynasty on the framework played by Pearl.

Dooley is in the process of building the next football dynasty. He may or may not be the guy that can take us to the promised land but he is doing a great job building the ship that's going to get us there. It is way too early to hit the reset button again. If he can't get 9 wins minimum next season then go ahead fire him. I would not agree with the firing unless there was a total meltdown but at least 4 years is a good amount of time for him to have been given a fair chance. That way the next guy in feels he isn't walking into the same crap Dooley did.

He walked into the job already on the hot seat before they ever played a game and has never had the chance to spend a single day on campus not on one. That is not fair. The same thing happened to CCM but basketball is a totally different sport.. you can turn around a roster with 1 class in one year in basketball. The right 2 players and enough guys that can take up space on the court without tripping over themselves can get you to the NCAA's. So comparing that directly would be apples to oranges.

Pearl didn't leave him a good team but he did build a program and a fanbase that honestly didn't exist before he got here. Men's BB was a joke here before Pearl for a long long time. I didn't even like the guy but started following the team his first season. Dooley walked into a bad team, a program in shambles, and AD in shambles and yeah almost all his inherited best players were headcases.

He had to reboot and build from scratch but because this is UT and not LaTech he was not able to take his time he had to bring in enough JUCO talent to still compete as much as possible until the base was in place. yes Dooley deserves at least some credit for the LaTech season. He built that program not only as coach but as AD. Seriously this reminds me so much of the crap currently going on with a certain other guy given a crap situation and impossible expectations

WoT.gif
 
#14
#14
1. Who knows?
2. Who cares?
3. It would not matter because of ineligibility due to NCAA sanctions.
4. What has he done with a pre-season BCS NC contender?
5. What has he done with a pre-season Heismann favorite?

Wow thanks for the liberal responses to my statements. You sir, should run for office, you offer no facts just random statements.
 
#15
#15
Couldnt agree more, Pimo1.... Fans should be acting this way if we lost to each team like we have in the past 2 years....instead we are showing improvement and it just wasnt fast enough. This is one of the biggest week-ends for recruting and our fan base cant support these kids who have actually wear the orange, lived through these past years and believe it or not HAVE improved. All some of you is want to tear them down. It has not been fun. Nobody wanted to come coach our beloved vols after the Fulmer, Kiffin dibacles. We have a coach who may or may not get it done in the long run... Dolley took this job, has recruited players, but firing him right now is not what this team needs... it will set us back to 2010... If you do or do not want him as the coach..is not the point... we need to support our players who want to win for UT, no matter who the coach is we need those recruits coming in. Continusly painting the rock, spewing all this insanity, not showing up to games..... Dolley is nto the problem, some of our fan base is. Besides a handful of coaches (the obvious ones) who could have pulled us out of the toilet we have been in since firing Fulmer. No, we are not winning, but we are close! So stop this cheer for FLA, GA any team that meets your approval--
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#16
#16
Before the season when everyone was predicting realistic expectations for the season pretty much everyone with sense whether in support or against Dooley predicted 7-8 wins which would mean we expected to lose 4-5 games which is exactly what this season seems to be headed for.

No we're not. If the same team that showed up against UF, UGA and Miss St. is a true reflection of what this team is, we won't be Bama or USCe, and probably won't beat Vandy or Mizzou.
 
#17
#17
No we're not. If the same team that showed up against UF, UGA and Miss St. is a true reflection of what this team is, we won't be Bama or USCe, and probably won't beat Vandy or Mizzou.

Agree that we won't beat Bama... USCe... not sure... ut we will beat the rest 4 teams.
That is JMO though !!!
 
#18
#18
No we're not. If the same team that showed up against UF, UGA and Miss St. is a true reflection of what this team is, we won't be Bama or USCe, and probably won't beat Vandy or Mizzou.
We are not supposed to beat Bama or USCe... that still ends in 7-8 wins(8 with a bowl win) you might want to actually read my whole post and not try to post something I say out of context. The reason for those extra sentences was to give extra context into the meaning of the sentences before them. If you skip those you tend to make yourself look silly.

Losing to Vandy or Missou is highly unlikely by that late in the season this defense won't be giving up nearly as much has it is now and the offense is doing fine every single game. These guys will have seen 5 of the top teams in the nation not just the SEC and so far they have played like they belonged on the field at least with the first 3. Vandy is a better team than Missouri but no way in the world Dooley lets Vandy to UK beat him he knows either of those would be game over. The returning players from last year now know how serious it is also. They didn't know trust me they felt the meltdown around them when we lost to UK and they will get up for those 2 games if nothing else.

If we somehow miraculously beat USCe all this crap finally stops but reality is this meltdown continues for at least 3 more weeks. Imagine what happens to this fan base if Obama wins and Dooley is still coach in 4 weeks.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#19
#19
We are not supposed to beat Bama or USCe... that still ends in 7-8 wins(8 with a bowl win) you might want to actually read my whole post and not try to post something I say out of context. The reason for those extra sentences was to give extra context into the meaning of the sentences before them. If you skip those you tend to make yourself look silly.

Losing to Vandy or Missou is highly unlikely by that late in the season this defense won't be giving up nearly as much has it is now and the offense is doing fine every single game. These guys will have seen 5 of the top teams in the nation not just the SEC and so far they have played like they belonged on the field at least with the first 3. Vandy is a better team than Missouri but no way in the world Dooley lets Vandy to UK beat him he knows either of those would be game over. The returning players from last year now know how serious it is also. They didn't know trust me they felt the meltdown around them when we lost to UK and they will get up for those 2 games if nothing else.

If we somehow miraculously beat USCe all this crap finally stops but reality is this meltdown continues for at least 3 more weeks. Imagine what happens to this fan base if Obama wins and Dooley is still coach in 4 weeks.

If he had control over that particular thing, we wouldn't be discussing this right here man !!!
:peace2:
 
#20
#20
If we make another coaching change, it'll only mean that the program goes down from here another year. Dooley is doing the right things apart from winning obviously. But if he gets another year here, i think we'll see those wins too.
I am FOR no coaching change at this point. My view on Dooley has changed over the last 3 games. I was a big time believer. Now I am on the fence.

That completely depends on who Hart has on the hook to replace Dooley. And, I think the decision of whether or not to fire Dooley will also depend on that. There is no reason to let him go if you do not a home-run-sized hire. In other words, just retain Dooley another year if the replacement is Kirby Smart. If you have Gruden, then there is no reason to wait.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#21
#21
Before the season when everyone was predicting realistic expectations for the season pretty much everyone with sense whether in support or against Dooley predicted 7-8 wins which would mean we expected to lose 4-5 games which is exactly what this season seems to be headed for.

I get people don't like to lose but these are the games we expected to lose (if we had sense) Every team that has beaten us either is or was at some point ranked in the top 12. All are currently top 12 BCS teams. And it is not like our team flat out didn't belong on the field with those teams when we played them we were in all those games save Florida.

Yes our defense let us down in each and every game but honestly we just switched out not only almost an entire defensive staff but an entirely different defense.

I do not think anyone should be in any way happy with the season but I do not think the level of alarm-ism is appropriate either. This is what a team looks like when it's a year away from winning because whether are not you guys want to hear it we are competing.

If we lose after the USCe game that will be cause for alarm but if we run the table and win a bowl game after that and come out 8-5 how do you fire the coach? The teams we lost to in most cases dominated their other competition and we were the guys that took them to the wire. We ain't gonna do that to Bama and anyone stupid enough to expect that needs their heads checked. They are the best team in the nation hands down and have been for the past 3. If we can keep the final score respectable we should be damn happy.

The chances of winning against Bama or South Carolina are slim in my own opinion as I think the are the best defensive teams, and heck to an extent offensive even, we will face all year. no one has really gotten to our QB this season and when they do bad things happen and these are 2 teams that will get his jersey dirty early and often.

What I am trying to say is this you guys are asking a coach to pull off the impossible and then blaming him for not being able to do it. It is just not possible for the expectations of the average fan to be realized by this team no matter who the coach was because fact is most fans are what would be considered "low-information" voters.

You guys are the guys who walk into a bar on the wrong side of town and write checks your a-- can't cash and wonder why you wake bleeding in a ditch. The guys who went out and painted the rock should be ashamed of themselves. no matter what you think about the guy that move hurt UT. It made us all look like a bunch of stupid, backwards, impatient rednecks. Yeah we want our coach gone so bad we will make UT look like the perfect place to send your kids. Trust me quite a few recruits looked a that and crossed UT off their list and not just for football. Opposing recruiters are wetting their pants in joy.

This is the same ignorant behavior that happened when Fulmer was let go and one reason we could only get Kiffin and then Dooley. You want him gone so you poison the well...that you have to drink from.

Who Cares I hear Gruden footsteps :clapping:
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#23
#23
That completely depends on who Hart has on the hook to replace Dooley. And, I think the decision of whether or not to fire Dooley will also depend on that. There is no reason to let him go if you do not a home-run-sized hire. In other words, just retain Dooley another year if the replacement is Kirby Smart. If you have Gruden, then there is no reason to wait.

Absolutely.
 
#25
#25
That completely depends on who Hart has on the hook to replace Dooley. And, I think the decision of whether or not to fire Dooley will also depend on that. There is no reason to let him go if you do not a home-run-sized hire. In other words, just retain Dooley another year if the replacement is Kirby Smart. If you have Gruden, then there is no reason to wait.

Kirby Smart is not coming to the hill.......I believe he is the coach in waiting at UAlabama. If Saban does't retire or have a coronary before is contract is up, Kirby is content riding is coat tails. IMHO TIFWIW SIAP
 

VN Store



Back
Top