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utgibbs said:
I'm trying to reconcile these statements with the oft repeated:

1. Only coaching matters.
2. There is no 300 mile recruiting radius.

These two assumptions have been maintained ad infinitum by the GoF, and especially DVD.

So, please reconcile.
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No, you took a statement that is pretty much universally considered fact, misunderstood it, came across as a fool, then changed the subject. Therefore, no need to reconcile.
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#227
#227
utgibbs said:
1. only coaching matters
2. there is no "300 mile recruiting" radius (disadvantage)

I know you will quibble, so please give us your exact thoughts on these two statements. It would be great for you to go back to old quotes of yours from VN for support.

Not holding breath. :hi:

Delicious contradictions forthcoming.
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1) Saban, Meyer, Richt coached equal or better and thus have better talent drawn to them

1a) Also noted, Spurrier’s innovative offense of the 90's is not so innovative anymore.

2) Confirmed there is none by Dooley.

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utgibbs said:
I'm trying to reconcile these statements with the oft repeated:

1. Only coaching matters.
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If it's repeated so often, you should have no problem locating one example. I'll be waiting. Just go ahead and post it with the Dabo Swinney quote of him saying Tajh Boyd is in the running for starter.
 
#230
#230
10essee Refugee said:
What are you talking about. Someone said ONE reason Spurrier isn't sitting on top of the conference annually is because there are better coaches in the SEC than there were in the 90's. Hence, stiffer competition. You asked who the better coaches were, and you were told.
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Are these statements true, UTG?

Just a simple "Yes" or "No" will suffice.
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utgibbs said:
Other folks suggested the poll, not me. In fact, I think you got even their wording wrong, but no matter. I certainly gave my blessing to whatever poll you wanted to run.

If I am truly in the minority regarding Fulmer (dubious given ticket sales, merchandising, and a host of other non-internet metrics), I don't mind. It will not be long before I'm in the supermajority on that one too as those who only remember the greatest run in TN history will get a big dose of what it was like before Philip in their living memory.
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Too? If you're in the minority on the only topic you ever talk about, where exactly is the "supermajority" you keep bringing up? Maybe you should check those poll results again...
 
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VolDad said:
1) Saban, Meyer, Richt coached equal or better and thus have better talent drawn to them

1a) Also noted, Spurrier’s innovative offense of the 90's is not so innovative anymore.

2) Confirmed there is none by Dooley.

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1. Except Ray Goff, Ron Zook, and Les Miles had / have better talent.

1a. What is innovative about throwing the ball to Ike Hilliard and handing off to Fred Taylor?

2. Except Dooley did confirm there is - note the 2011 signing class relative to GA, AL, LSU despite the "processes". And Ray Goff, Ron Zook, and Les Miles had / have better talent.

Game, Set, and Match.
 
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Tenacious D said:
Are these statements true, UTG?

Just a simple "Yes" or "No" will suffice.
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No.

And DVD has said it again: Better talent goes to the better coaches.

So, answer the question - which coaches are better than Spurrier?

Unfortunately, DVD already knows he's quoted in a thread on page 1 as saying "only head-to-head" matters, so I think he's going to get iced on two of the biggies. That's why he can't answer, and that's why Refugee is trying to do some flag football hand waiving to stop the long bomb.

But, he already screwed up on Tubby anyway. The structural contradictions in the GoF are more pronounced than the structural contradictions of growth0imperative capitalism.

In other words, DVD's already proved me Right as Rain. :hi:

Which coaches are better than Spurrier? I won't be holding my breath for an answer, because I'd die.
 
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utgibbs said:
1. Except Ray Goff, Ron Zook, and Les Miles had / have better talent.

1a. What is innovative about throwing the ball to Ike Hilliard and handing off to Fred Taylor?

2. Except Dooley did confirm there is - note the 2011 signing class relative to GA, AL, LSU despite the "processes". And Ray Goff, Ron Zook, and Les Miles had / have better talent.

Game, Set, and Match.
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I will let Sports Illustrated explain:

Offensive Revolution: The Steve Spurrier Fun 'n' Gun

Read more: Offensive Revolution: The Steve Spurrier Fun 'n' Gun - 08.08.05 - SI Vault
 
#235
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utgibbs said:
Yes, it has certainly has improved dramatically since the Hambone Experiment.

As much as it hurts you guys, Hambone firing Fulmer was a big mistake.
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I see that you don't know any more about football than you do politics or economics.
 
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Vol423 said:
I see that you don't know any more about football than you do politics or economics.
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He considers himself an expert in all subjects. Since his opinion is the only one that matters, he's right, despite unanimous opposition.
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VolDad said:
1) Facing better coaches than he did in the 90's (same as Fulmer)
2) His innovative offense was not so innovative any more.
3) He was still able to go 2-2 against Fulmer
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utgibbs said:
Or, 1. doesn't have access to same talent pool as he had at Florida.

:hi:

Who are the better coaches, btw?
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VolDad said:
For starters:
Richt better than Goff/Donnan
Saban better than Stallings/Dubose
Meyer better than Woods/Scott
Tubberville better than Dye/ Bowden
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utgibbs said:
I asked which coaches were better than Spurrier. I think you digressed, but dodging the question that undermines your past arguments is meat and drink for the GoF.
So, which of those coaches is better than Spurrier?
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VolDad said:
No you implied I said - better coaches than Spurrier - when I said he is facing better coaches while at USC than he did at UF.
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Do you see the disconnect now, Gibbs? I know it's been pointed out multiple times to you already, but you misunderstood the original statement. Not only that, but now you won't shut up about it.
 
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#238
After attempting to make my way through this thread, and follow the logic of one truly confused individual in the super majority minority:unsure:, I have concluded that there is one individual poster here that cannot carry on a consistant thought to support thier position.

I have followed UT football since the days of Battle, through the Major's years, Fulmer era, and the confusion of the recent coaching changes. Fulmer had a good run. However, the last one third of his tenure was a decline in performance. I took the time back in 2007 to research the trends in Fulmer's percentages per game. Offensively, stats were on a consistant downhill trend. There were a few years, even with a winning record, he did not beat one single top 25 team. The pattern is easy to see if one simple wants to look at theings objectively.

I supported Fulmer for a long time, but the last 3-4 years of his tenure I believed the time for a change had come. So, it isn't the younger UT fans alone that believed Fulmer's release was needed, as one delusional person here thinks.

The Kiffin deal was a mess. But I look at things from the perspective that if it were not for Kiffin, we would not have Dooley, and would not see discipline and class being rebuilt into the program.
 
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#239
10essee Refugee said:
Do you see the disconnect now, Gibbs? I know it's been pointed out multiple times to you already, but you misunderstood the original statement. Not only that, but now you won't shut up about it.
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Blah, blah, blah.

Which coaches are better than Spurrier?
 
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#240
why do you guys argue with him? He's either trolling or a true delusional fool living in his own little fantasy world.
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VolDad said:
Did you enjoy learning about the Fun n Gun? I am surprised that you had no knowledge of it…. No I am not.
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Loved it.

Spurrier was blessed with superior skill athletes (tailbacks and receivers) at Florida who would be tough to defend in any system. When his offense did stall, it was usually because the opposing defensive front was able to stuff the run and frustrate the Gators' quarterback -- and, in turn, Spurrier, who can become impatient in his play-calling. Faced with a more level playing field in the NFL, Spurrier's offenses struggled during his two seasons with the Redskins (12-20), and it remains to be seen whether he can attract the necessary talent level at South Carolina to make his system work.
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As I've said many times, thanks for proving my points for me. :hi:

:lolabove:
 
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Godfatha said:
why do you guys argue with him? He's either trolling or a true delusional fool living in his own little fantasy world.
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If you had more experience with him, then you would fully realize that it's the latter.
 
#245
#245
Godfatha said:
why do you guys argue with him? He's either trolling or a true delusional fool living in his own little fantasy world.
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Welcome to Fulmer threads . . . where everyday is Groundhog Day.
 
#248
#248
utgibbs said:
Loved it.



As I've said many times, thanks for proving my points for me. :hi:

:lolabove:
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We were really hurting for defensive backs and wide receivers in the nineties. That must have been why we were destroyed. Probably had something to do with Danny Wuerffel being so much better than Peyton Manning, too.
 
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10essee Refugee said:
Urban Meyer and Nick Saban off the top of my head. Since you're aware nobody was arguing this, what's your point?
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I think Spurrier might have Saban head-to-head.

Uh-oh! Let the contradictions begin.

2000 Spurrier whipped him 41 - 9
2001 Spurrier whipped him @ LSU 44 - 15
2010 Spurrier beat him when he was #1 in the nation.

Saban won in 2009 20 - 6

Let me know if I missed one.
 
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#250
kptvol said:
We were really hurting for defensive backs and wide receivers in the nineties. That must have been why we were destroyed. Probably had something to do with Danny Wuerffel being so much better than Peyton Manning, too.
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Is this you begging for "The List" again?

I've got it saved. Do you want me to bust it on you again? I'll only go there if you ask - I've punished you enough.
 
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