Secret 🤫 Scrimmage

#54
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Losing by 25, even in a controlled setting, was probably a healthy thing for our team and coaches to experience. Now they know a little better what they need to work on. And lining up against somebody else besides each other and our practice guys was probably a big thrill for everyone. 👍🏻
 
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When has a college basketball team ever played a half-court scrimmage against another team? And how do you keep score in a half-court game? What’s the shot clock? 3x3 =5x5 half-court?

I think sometimes you just have to think about how true stuff is before posting it on the Internet.
 
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KnoxLikeUs said:
When has a college basketball team ever played a half-court scrimmage against another team? And how do you keep score in a half-court game? What’s the shot clock? 3x3 =5x5 half-court?

I think sometimes you just have to think about how true stuff is before posting it on the Internet.
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If the coaches agree that half court sets are one thing both teams want to work on, then it’s quite possible.

That’s one thing that separates the closed scrimmage from exhibition games, they don’t have to play a traditional game, they can work on a lot of situational stuff, much like NFL teams do when they have joint practices ahead of a preseason game. They could also do both, as is reported to have happened in this case. The men had a closed scrimmage against Ohio State today and spent half of it working on situational things, so the story is quite possible as well.
 
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There is a danger in reading anything in a secret scrimmage result given how scrimmages are so different from exhibitions, and we have no verification of the result. That said, this result has at least some face validity in that Kim focuses so much early on getting the players ready for her fast-paced full court system rather than a focus on a half-court approach. I remember last year it took several games until half court passing such as the frequent Cooper to Spearman assist or the pernitrate and kick out passes started happening with regularity. Our half-court defense also got better after a very slow start, as we had to learn better spacing and when to get out of the press. Even though it probably doesn't mean mich of anything, I still would prefer the full court "win" than a half-court win.
 
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I think in general most are saying the same thing so this isn’t a dig at anyone. I do believe in a way that its misleading to judge the team on these results posted from a half-court scrimmage.
There’s no relevance to a half-court scrimmage in basketball. I see people talking about if coaches agreed to it which doesn’t change anything in the overall sense of how it translates into actual gameplay.
Now if it happen or not that’s not the point. I also would like to know which lineup for Tennessee played in the half-court scrimmage and full-court scrimmage. That would tell a lot more even if these results are accurate. Before anyone goes speaking about any “must” to improve the half-court offense or defense systems that would give more of an indication of where that phase of the team stands now. CKC could’ve had majority freshmen and newcomers in one scrimmage, and her players already with experience in the system with a few freshmen and newcomers in the second scrimmage.
The roster breakdown in each scrimmage is important.
I wouldn’t think they would play all players in both because it’ll be impossible to rotate 14 players in each scrimmage.
That makes the roster breakdown per scrimmage more important than the reported scores.
I’m surprised only one other poster has mentioned this, and I would feel the same way about it if Tennessee had loss the full-court scrimmage and won the half-court scrimmage as rumored in the results above. That’s like a football team winning a 7 on 7 game (half-field), and then losing a 11-11 scrimmage(full-field) to the same team.
One is similar to live game action with field goals, punts, sometimes kick-offs and the other is not.
 
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I looked and saw the report on facebook it was from an average fan with no source of where they got the information. I think the odds of winning a full court by 25 and losing half court by the same amount is totally something that would almost never happen. So I wouldn't accept the scores as fact. We may have won the full court and lost the half court but I doubt it was by the same number on both accounts. I really don't see a way we could lose the half court by 25 with all the drivers and post presence we have on the team.
 
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It’s as if someone is trying to paint a narrative by reporting these statistics which is likely why it has spreaded this far to the message boards without being confirmed.
I’m willing to bet it came from the paywall sites first then made its way to a Facebook post.
Again, half-court scrimmages can’t be scored or officiated like a live full-court scrimmage.
Also, all players for Tennessee a program that has 14 players that can play likely used a different team for each type of scrimmage to give them equal reps. So what I believe happened is the full-court scrimmage is closer to the actual performance results of these two teams in live-action.
 
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KnoxLikeUs said:
It’s as if someone is trying to paint a narrative by reporting these statistics which is likely why it has spreaded this far to the message boards without being confirmed.
I’m willing to bet it came from the paywall sites first then made its way to a Facebook post.
Again, half-court scrimmages can’t be scored or officiated like a live full-court scrimmage.
Also, all players for Tennessee a program that has 14 players that can play likely used a different team for each type of scrimmage to give them equal reps. So what I believe happened is the full-court scrimmage is closer to the actual performance results of these two teams in live-action.
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Did you ever go to someone's house expecting a full four course dinner and was given a bowl of soup and some crackers?... if Kim and the team went there, expecting the meal and got the only an appetizer.It would be kind of hard for them to stay hungry with no entree
 
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UNC couldn’t play a full-court scrimmage against Tennessee for four quarters and they knew this before agreeing to it a 2nd time. They don’t have the talent or athletes to sustain that level of play.
Also, when they arrived there (LVs) and Tennessee gets to having their way in the full-court scrimmage (which I predict was the case) in their building (UNC) a 2nd year in a row, you would expect their coach (UNC) would hit the pause button during that tail kicking period so to speak to seek a more favorable situation… this is where I suspect the idea of this modified half-court scrimmage developed from and the reported but not confirmed discrepancy in results from the half-court and full-court scrimmage. You have only a few people suggesting that Coach Caldwell also agreed to it which is the point I think you’re getting at. She had no reason to agree to it or disagree in a practice. But I doubt she knew beforehand that is something UNC coach would project into the scrimmage once they couldn’t manage to play in a full-court scrimmage which is what every other college scrimmage between two teams that I’ve heard of has been (live-action) full-court.

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Did you ever go to someone's house expecting a full four course dinner and was given a bowl of soup and some crackers?... if Kim and the team went there, expecting the meal and got the only an appetizer.It would be kind of hard for them to stay hungry with no entree
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Volfan2012 said:
I looked and saw the report on facebook it was from an average fan with no source of where they got the information. I think the odds of winning a full court by 25 and losing half court by the same amount is totally something that would almost never happen. So I wouldn't accept the scores as fact. We may have won the full court and lost the half court but I doubt it was by the same number on both accounts. I really don't see a way we could lose the half court by 25 with all the drivers and post presence we have on the team.
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Average fan of no source is 1000% inaccurate. Not sure where you saw it BUT the original post came from a well known Vol group with GREAT SOURCES. Who have been right 99% of the time. They said Ruby was a Vol before it was leaked, they told when Tyanna Todd was on a visit(which she 100% visited but i don’t think any other sources posted that), they posted when Zee commited, etc.) As well as they are always posting 100% insider info about other Tennessee programs as well. So the original person this came from is no random they have insight
 
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KnoxLikeUs said:
It’s as if someone is trying to paint a narrative by reporting these statistics which is likely why it has spreaded this far to the message boards without being confirmed.
I’m willing to bet it came from the paywall sites first then made its way to a Facebook post.
Again, half-court scrimmages can’t be scored or officiated like a live full-court scrimmage.
Also, all players for Tennessee a program that has 14 players that can play likely used a different team for each type of scrimmage to give them equal reps. So what I believe happened is the full-court scrimmage is closer to the actual performance results of these two teams in live-action.
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Incorrect. It mades it way from facebook(the group I just mentioned that is usually spot on) and then someone posted it from that group in a paywall site.
 
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teamladyvols1997 said:
Average fan of no source is 1000% inaccurate. Not sure where you saw it BUT the original post came from a well known Vol group with GREAT SOURCES. Who have been right 99% of the time. They said Ruby was a Vol before it was leaked, they told when Tyanna Todd was on a visit(which she 100% visited but i don’t think any other sources posted that), they posted when Zee commited, etc.) As well as they are always posting 100% insider info about other Tennessee programs as well. So the original person this came from is no random they have insight
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So we win by 25 and they comeback and win by exactly 25 in the halfcourt. I guess it happened but wow getting the exact same number of points that you win by twice back to back is totally amazing wouldn't happen very often.

Lucky for us we don't have any half court games scheduled.
 
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Volfan2012 said:
So we win by 25 and they comeback and win by exactly 25 in the halfcourt. I guess it happened but wow getting the exact same number of points that you win by twice back to back is totally amazing wouldn't happen very often.
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Scrimmages mean nothing, it's a glorified practice session.
 
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Well that’s because you don’t keep score the same in a half-court modified practice and a full-court scrimmage. Tennessee didn’t lose that session by 25 points playing 1 quarter which is impossible.
It’s been confirmed there was a three quarter scrimmage which Tennessee absolutely dominated. One source I spoke to has a final score. Waiting to see if it’ll leak onto social media. Tennessee won the three quarter scrimmage by 25+ and was on pace to score between 85-95 points against a Top 15 UNC had the scrimmage been four quarters.
GBO🍊.
 
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KnoxLikeUs said:
Well that’s because you don’t keep score the same in a half-court modified practice and a full-court scrimmage. Tennessee didn’t lose that session by 25 points playing 1 quarter which is impossible.
It’s been confirmed there was a three quarter scrimmage which Tennessee absolutely dominated. One source I spoke to has a final score. Waiting to see if it’ll leak onto social media. Tennessee won the three quarter scrimmage by 25+ and was on pace to score between 85-95 points against a Top 15 UNC had the scrimmage been four quarters.
GBO🍊.
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I see the post on x Tennessee 69 NC 43 three quarters by Skim Milkey.
 
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Ah, so a 26 point win. The user was just going off of memory in saying 25.

Being on pace for 92 points against a P5 team... I think our offense is going to be alright. Either the half-court result was a fluke of some sort, or our full-court defense is generating plenty of steal-n-scores to compensate for any offensiv issues. (woud explain why a team that beat us by 25 in a half-court enviroment was on pace for less than 60 in the full court enviroment — you can't score consistently if you can't get it across the midline consistently)
 
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Volfan2012 said:
So we win by 25 and they comeback and win by exactly 25 in the halfcourt. I guess it happened but wow getting the exact same number of points that you win by twice back to back is totally amazing wouldn't happen very often.

Lucky for us we don't have any half court games scheduled.
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Didn't feel right to me either.
 
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