SEC Tournament Cancelled

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VolGee4 said:
How many people have had the flu this year? That is a key missing number. You can't just throw out 20k dying from the flu without knowing how many have had it. I bet it's a huge number- in the millions. BUT there is a vaccine for the flu that, at the very least, mitigates it when you get the virus. I have 6 members in my family (all had flu shots), and 5 of us got the flu this year.

There is no vaccine for corona, and it appears to spread quicker than the normal flu. I am not a conspiracy theorist, but doctors are literally telling everyone this is different, and some still don't want to listen.
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No not all doctors are telling something different. One of my best friends wife is a doctor at Vanderbilt and she says the coronavirus has been around for many years and people just have it now and most have had it and recovered without even knowing that they had it. Another local dr I asked when my daughter had strep recently. He said “if you’re healthy and you are under 60 and you get it most people will feel under the weather and recover and never realize they even had it”.
The problems arise when you have too many elderly to help and not enough medical supplies to do so.
 
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I understand that people are upset, but being cautious can be a good thing. If people would behave smartly, it would be different, but they don’t. I was in a heavily populated fast food location for lunch today, and people were coughing and sneezing all over the place. I know some were probably allergies, and I’m not saying it was covid-19, but some of those coughs were cold/flu I have no doubt. They could’ve stayed home, or at least went through the drive thru. And some people might skip work or church if they can while sick, but many Will Not skip big time entertainment events. I hope it is not that bad, I really do. But I don’t want to take a lot of chances either. We just don’t know enough about it yet.
 
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I'm going out on a limb and saying if all this money is being eaten then I think it probably has the potential to get really bad. No way they eat all this money if it wasn't a big deal.
 
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TrumpedUpVol said:
NCAA calls it off completely, no champion this year.
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I'm a little surprised they didn't opt for postponement before cancelling it given the financial fallout outright cancellation will lead to, but the logistics of rescheduling would have been pretty complicated if not impossible. Plus they would have faced backlash from some of the talking heads for even considering the idea of playing it with the pandemic we're facing, which isn't totally unjustified. This is for the best.
 
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jordan4vols said:
No not all doctors are telling something different. One of my best friends wife is a doctor at Vanderbilt and she says the coronavirus has been around for many years and people just have it now and most have had it and recovered without even knowing that they had it. Another local dr I asked when my daughter had strep recently. He said “if you’re healthy and you get than 60 most people will feel under the weather and recover and never realize they even had it”.
The problems arise when you have too many elderly to help and not enough medical supplies to do so.
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I don't think I disagree with much of that. But doctors are saying it's different because there is no vaccine, and there is uncertainty. That is fact. I think most every doctor will tell you that it is absolutely correct in using caution. Just because a vast majority of young adults can get it and recover quickly doesn't mean we shouldn't take precaution. If the NBA plays, there are a number of 60+ coaches, team personnel, security, etc. that get exposed.

The people throwing out flu numbers are failing to also state that literally 20 million people (probably way more by now) have had the flu in the US this year. But it has a vaccine and even if it's not the correct strain, it mitigates the virus. As I have said multiple times, a vast majority of the pediatric flu deaths have been by unvaccinated kids.
 
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thehill98 said:
I understand that people are upset, but being cautious can be a good thing. If people would behave smartly, it would be different, but they don’t. I was in a heavily populated fast food location for lunch today, and people were coughing and sneezing all over the place. I know some were probably allergies, and I’m not saying it was covid-19, but some of those coughs were cold/flu I have no doubt. They could’ve stayed home, or at least went through the drive thru. And some people might skip work or church if they can while sick, but many Will Not skip big time entertainment events. I hope it is not that bad, I really do. But I don’t want to take a lot of chances either. We just don’t know enough about it yet.
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I just hope people don't interpret this as a panic move. This is a proactive move; so is the cancellation of so many other events. Proactive moves and decisions from not just our government, but us as Americans, will be what saves lives. I advise everyone to be proactive. If your church streams the worship service online, watch it online. If you can work from home, do it. If you have elderly family members, limit your contact with them to phone calls. This seems like a lot, but this is reality for the time being.
 
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No March Madness of any kind. No NBA. No NHL Hockey. MLB suspended. Presumably other university level sports cancelled. Pretty much no sports at all. This is kinda getting into uncharted territory right now.
 
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MinisterofDef#92 said:
What are you basing this on? Also, please quantify what you mean by "extremely"?

The data gathered to-date does not support this in the least.
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Don't know the "data" but all I have to do is look at how quickly it spread in China and Italy. Common sense tells you it's pretty dang contagious. And who is dying from it? Those that are vulnerable and they can get it from carriers. Bottom line is I'm going to listen to science and not a bunch of deny-ers and gamblers who just want their sports.
 
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jordan4vols said:
No not all doctors are telling something different. One of my best friends wife is a doctor at Vanderbilt and she says the coronavirus has been around for many years and people just have it now and most have had it and recovered without even knowing that they had it. Another local dr I asked when my daughter had strep recently. He said “if you’re healthy and you get than 60 most people will feel under the weather and recover and never realize they even had it”.
The problems arise when you have too many elderly to help and not enough medical supplies to do so.
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This is not true. Yes, coronaviruses have been around for years but Novel 19 is new and can only be traced back a few months now. It is possible that it has been around longer but that is a guess, not a fact. SARS and MERS were both coronaviruses as well, but not the same as Novel 19, which is less deadly than those but much, much more contagious.
 
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omghulkhands said:
I just think you’re misinformed and have a fundamental misunderstanding of the issue at hand. Comparing this to Swine Flu makes that clear. I know many people are convicted and can’t be moved, but time will make it obvious. Hundreds of thousands in the US will lose their lives this year no matter what precautions we take.
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Speaking of misinformed...lol. On what basis are you projecting hundreds of thousands dying to covid-19?

As I posted previously, the best information available thus far comes from South Korea which conducted over 140 k tests (the most I have seen from any nation) and their worst case mortality rate as of today was 1.5% which assumes all who are in serious or critical condition die which is not going to happen. Also, they had a total of ~7.9 k cases and the number of new cases is in free-fall (it peaked at the beginning of the month). Also, while I do not trust China's data, they are showing a steep decline in new cases and there are no signs of them shutting down other areas/provinces as one would expect - if covid-19 is so contagious it should have a field day with their densely populated cities and inferior healthcare systems.

Also, I never stated that covid-19 is like the Swine Flue but rather pointed at that to show the difference in reactions (e.g., we did not even declare a national emergency until ~2.8 k people had died and today's count on covid-19 was 40 last time I checked)...nice strawman argument.

Nothing wrong with taking reasonable precautions but shutting everything down and hurting people financially is irrational at this point. JMO - carry on.
 
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Delmar said:
Don't know the "data" but all I have to do is look at how quickly it spread in China and Italy. Common sense tells you it's pretty dang contagious. And who is dying from it? Those that are vulnerable and they can get it from carriers. Bottom line is I'm going to listen to science and not a bunch of deny-ers and gamblers who just want their sports.
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"I don't need no stinking facts"...lol...at least you are honest. Also, this is not about denying anything or "gambling" - making that assertion just makes you look silly given this is an anonymous board and you do not know me from Adam.

So, if you are going to listen to "science" I strongly suggest you educate yourself and not assume things. For example, China's rate of new daily cases is falling significantly which is corroborated by the fact they are not shutting down other cities/provinces (I emphasize the latter because I do not trust their data).

However, the best data available thus far comes from South Korea which very far along in this journey having conducted the most tests I have seen from any nation (over 140 k) and their data indicates the mortality rate will likely be around 1% (the worst case as of today is 1.5% which assumes all those in serious or critical condition die which is not going to happen). This is precisely what some key experts predicted once we got a better handle on the true number of infections (and their calculated mortality is still probably a bit high). The other key point is that their rate of daily new cases is declining rapidly similar to China and their total cases is <8 k in a country of 51 MM (China has <81 k cases in a country of 1.4 B).

My main point is that, as of now, the hysteria and preventative measures are wildly disproportionate given what we know (if you have comorbidities or are over 60 yrs old then you are at-risk) and what has happened (<5 k deaths worldwide).
 
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This means Kentucky won't have the chance for payback from what we did to them at Rupp. I kinda like that...
 
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MinisterofDef#92 said:
Primarily because the total number of real cases is not known (mild cases are misdiagnosed) and, if it were, it would very likely reduce the mortality rate to a very large degree. South Korea is the best example of this as I believe they have performed the most tests to-date (over 140 k) and their statistics, which I believe are trustworthy, indicate the absolute worst-case is ~1.5% mortality rate but more likely to be <1% which is a far cry from the fear porn estimates. Plus, SK's "daily new cases" peaked and is already declining (as is China's although not sure their numbers can be believed).

Also, for historical context, we waited until there were ~1 k deaths from the swine flu before we even declared a national emergency and that went on to affect ~60 MM people and place ~300+ k in the hospital with ~10 k ultimately dying all here in the US (it is estimated between 200-400 k people died worldwide) but we did not shut down a thing.
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You are missing a vital part of why the death rate is so low in SK. SK has tested hundreds of thousands of people. The second they identify someone with the virus they inform them and have them go into quarantine. This means that when 27 year old John Smith catches the virus he quarantines at home and recovers. If John Smith wasn’t tested he would have gone to his nieces birthday party and passed the virus to his parents and grandparents. Then his grandfather would have gotten sick and died at the hospital. His dad and grandmother would have gotten sick and needed 2-3 weeks of hospital stay to recover. They would have taken up a limited amount of hospital beds. A week later when all the beds are full someone else’s aunt would die when they were turned away from the hospital.

The death rate of this virus depends in large part on early detection and isolation.
 
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Ace said:
Twitter, politics and a woke generation
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Which of these categories does Dr Fauci fall under? He has advised the last 6 presidents on infectious diseases in the US and he says this is serious and the only thing that that will mitigate it is extreme actions like not allowing large crowds.
 
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08Vol said:
You are missing a vital part of why the death rate is so low in SK. SK has tested hundreds of thousands of people. The second they identify someone with the virus they inform them and have them go into quarantine. This means that when 27 year old John Smith catches the virus he quarantines at home and recovers. If John Smith wasn’t tested he would have gone to his nieces birthday party and passed the virus to his parents and grandparents. Then his grandfather would have gotten sick and died at the hospital. His dad and grandmother would have gotten sick and needed 2-3 weeks of hospital stay to recover. They would have taken up a limited amount of hospital beds. A week later when all the beds are full someone else’s aunt would die when they were turned away from the hospital.

The death rate of this virus depends in large part on early detection and isolation.
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Where did I say early detection does not help prevent additional cases? Having said that, you seem to be missing that this virus has a 14-day incubation period (some experts say it can be longer in some cases) which means the affected have already had ample opportunities to spread it before they are even tested (i.e., once they show symptoms - SK was not running around testing healthy people).

The main point I have been emphasizing is that covid-19 has a much lower mortality rate than many fear (I have seen people saying it is 6-10%) and that it will likely continue to fall as more cases are identified (many people, even here in the US, have had it but have been misdiagnosed as having the flu).

I have also tried to stress that those who are really at-risk have underlying health issues (comorbidities) and/or are over 60 yrs old. These individuals should take serious precautions but, in reality, they should already be doing so because of their risk of catching the flu.

And I definitely think it is unwise to cancel elementary schools especially since children are asymptomatic and often go to their grandparents house when school is not in session because their parents have to work...this is precisely what needs to be avoided right now.
 
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jordan4vols said:
No not all doctors are telling something different. One of my best friends wife is a doctor at Vanderbilt and she says the coronavirus has been around for many years and people just have it now and most have had it and recovered without even knowing that they had it. Another local dr I asked when my daughter had strep recently. He said “if you’re healthy and you get than 60 most people will feel under the weather and recover and never realize they even had it”.
The problems arise when you have too many elderly to help and not enough medical supplies to do so.
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This. Too much rational thought for some though
 
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VolGee4 said:
I don't think I disagree with much of that. But doctors are saying it's different because there is no vaccine, and there is uncertainty. That is fact. I think most every doctor will tell you that it is absolutely correct in using caution. Just because a vast majority of young adults can get it and recover quickly doesn't mean we shouldn't take precaution. If the NBA plays, there are a number of 60+ coaches, team personnel, security, etc. that get exposed.

The people throwing out flu numbers are failing to also state that literally 20 million people (probably way more by now) have had the flu in the US this year. But it has a vaccine and even if it's not the correct strain, it mitigates the virus. As I have said multiple times, a vast majority of the pediatric flu deaths have been by unvaccinated kids.
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The reason the flu is being mentioned is because the group at-risk of dying is very similar...anyone with underlying health issues (comorbidities) and/or over the age of 60 years old. Covid-19 has a higher mortality rate than the flu but it is nowhere near some of the numbers being thrown around (I believe the clinical analyses will determine that it is around 1% or less).

As of this morning, there have been ~5 k covid-19 deaths worldwide with late detection, very weak health systems/response at its originating point, and no vaccine. I believe many people around the world have already had covid-19 but were misdiagnosed as having the flu and they recovered.

I am all for saving lives and taking reasonable precautions but the reaction to covid-19 doesn't make sense to me (e.g., cancelling elementary school is asinine as that puts grandparents who have to watch their grandchildren at great risk). If we cancel every large gathering going forward during the flu season, the effects of the flu would be greatly reduced and, therefore, literally tens of thousands of lives would be saved but, for some reason, that is not worth it.
 
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