SEC teams getting better except Tenn.

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Why is it that Georiga, Florida, Alabama, etc are getting better in recruiting and playing better in big games? Fulmer seems to be happy with going to a Citrus Bowl. Being stagnent is unacceptable for a football power house like Tenn. Tenn. use to always be ranked in the top 10 in recruiting, now we barely make the top 25. As long as Fulmer is happy with just being above 500 Tenn. will never win another championship. We can kiss blue chip players goodbye with Fulmer's mediocre standards.
 
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Why is it that Georiga, Florida, Alabama, etc are getting better in recruiting and playing better in big games? Fulmer seems to be happy with going to a Citrus Bowl. Being stagnent is unacceptable for a football power house like Tenn. Tenn. use to always be ranked in the top 10 in recruiting, now we barely make the top 25. As long as Fulmer is happy with just being above 500 Tenn. will never win another championship. We can kiss blue chip players goodbye with Fulmer's mediocre standards.
They have innovative coaches who arent afraid to roll the dice, we have stagnant coaches who would rather kick 55 yarders than go for a forth and inches.
 
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Don't hit the panic button. This thing's fixable.

This staff has overcome clawbstacles before...they can do it again. Viva la Vols.
 
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Don't hit the panic button. This thing's fixable.

This staff has overcome clawbstacles before...they can do it again. Viva la Vols.


yes this thing may be fixable but the problem is it shouldnt have to be fixed. The team is underacheiving losing games they shouldnt lose and playing close games with teams that should be blowouts. UT is a nationally recoginized football program and its insane for them to be okay with being slightly better than good. Unless we learn how to put teams away earlier and play to win instead of not to lose im worried we might be in for a long year.
 
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It's not that we expected to underachieve, it's simply we didn't call a good game offensively and didn't execute. We can sit here and whine about all the dropped balls and the fumbles, but as i was thinking today, what if those passes were completed? So, it's not that he is a bad offensive coordinator, he just didn't adjust properly and run the ball more often then throwing it. It looked to me like he kept searching for big plays, which never came, when all we needed to do was run the ball and create big plays from play action, so fixable, most definitely. Recruiting wise we have the talent, just need to use it to our benefit, not the opposing teams.
 
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You guys have incredible talent on this team, and it is sad to see how they played against UCLA.
It reminds me of how Alabama played against FSU last year. I think a coach that can put the "fire" back in the system is all you need.
Do you think Fulmer will see the light and do what's right for the program and retire on his own?
I am not being sarcastic, I really wonder if the game has passed him by, or he's just tired of the pressure?
Face it the SEC is the best in the country, and you have to keep pushing yourself to be better and better every year. Maybe he's simply had enough???
 
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We have old coaches who have seen their haydays come and go. And our AD is perfectly fine with that.
 
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Probably wouldn't hurt if we had an AD that would hold some feet to the fire. Pretty sure the other schools you mentioned do.
 
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No one expects to underachieve and i am willing to give clawson a few more games before passing any kind of judgement on if i think he can get it done long term. But we lost the game to UCLA because of coaching. The talent is there to play with just about anybody in the country and the players dont seem motivated by this coaching staff to make it happen.
 
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Why is it that Georiga, Florida, Alabama, etc are getting better in recruiting and playing better in big games? Fulmer seems to be happy with going to a Citrus Bowl. Being stagnent is unacceptable for a football power house like Tenn. Tenn. use to always be ranked in the top 10 in recruiting, now we barely make the top 25. As long as Fulmer is happy with just being above 500 Tenn. will never win another championship. We can kiss blue chip players goodbye with Fulmer's mediocre standards.

Simple. They are successfully tapping their instate talent. The state of Georgia was raided by the Vols, Auburn and Florida for many years. Now Georgia is raking off most of the cream. Florida used to be second fiddle to Miami and FSU. Now they are top dog. Alabama with Saban is now getting more of their share of instate blue chippers, as well as LSU. Tennessee will always have a built in disadvantage in this respect. The talent pool is just too thin to win big in the SEC without going far afield. One reason I'm apprehensive about a new coach is the recruiting angle. Not only must this new guy be strong on X's and O's, he must be a d@mn good recruiter just to keep up.
 
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Simple. They are successfully tapping their instate talent. The state of Georgia was raided by the Vols, Auburn and Florida for many years. Now Georgia is raking off most of the cream. Florida used to be second fiddle to Miami and FSU. Now they are top dog. Alabama with Saban is now getting more of their share of instate blue chippers, as well as LSU. Tennessee will always have a built in disadvantage in this respect. The talent pool is just too thin to win big in the SEC without going far afield. One reason I'm apprehensive about a new coach is the recruiting angle. Not only must this new guy be strong on X's and O's, he must be a d@mn good recruiter just to keep up.

I agree with you that we're not plucking as many top guys from those states, but that only means we need to change to a set of coaches that can actually coach up their players and beat teams that are more talented than they are.

Based solely upon talent, UCLA's first string (much less their 2nd, which is essentially who played offense for them) has no business even hanging with us for 2 quarters, much less beating us. However, Norm Chow, DeWayne Walker, and their special teams coach were able to take less talented players and put them in a position to succeed through their schemes and execution. Auburn has done the same thing for years. They've had some very good players, but they never out recruit Georgia, Florida, Alabama or LSU. They still seem to beat those teams, however, and it is not by coincidence.

We may not out recruit Florida, Georgia, or LSU anymore, but that does not mean we cannot win championships with the talent we have RIGHT NOW. It just takes coaching. It's obvious to me now that those great teams we had in the 1990s won so much because we were almost always the most talented team on the field.

For a more ridiculous hypothetical, what is the final score if UT plays UCLA after switching each others' respective coordinators? Except for special teams, of course, because we don't have one.
 
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UT has everything to offer to big-time recruits. Facilities, SEC,and exposure to TV. The Vols have the talent but slowly we are losing talent each year. Why would a QB want to come to UT with the offensive scheme the past years. Hopefully Clawson will open it up (UCLA not a good sign). Vols were called Receiver U in the past. If you where a top receiver would you want to come to UT? My frustration has been building, not from the loss to UCLA, but the past years watching bad unexpired coaching. There is a time that all great coaches lose there mojo and need to move on and PF's time is soon. If not we are going to become a middle of the pack SEC team that wins a big game here and there but will not be in the discussion of the elite teams. Think about it USC, Ohio State, OK, Texas all had down years but they made changes and there fans are happy. It's been 10 yrs of good football but not great. Not BIG ORANGE GREAT
 
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I am not in panic mode this season yet. Every season the Vols start a new qb, they seem to start slow. Go back and look at Tee Martin's stats the first 5 games in 1998. He completed less than 50% and the Vols just barely won while Tee eventually got his feet underneath him.

I did not expect them to lose to UCLA, but did expect them to lose a shocker. Hopefully they've got that out of the way now.

The Vols lost 3-of-4 to start the 1994 season (Manning's fresh yr). Finished 7-1 down the stretch including a 45-23 win over Va Tech in the bowl. Lost 3-of-5 to start the 2000 season (C. Clausen's fresh yr). Won 6 in a row down the stretch before losing to Kansas St in the bowl. Hopefully the Vols will get it together sooner and win more than 8 games this season. In 2004 they cruised to 10 wins using 3 different qbs and a spot in the SECCG (Ainge's fresh. yr).
 
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starting slow this season means that everyone we need to beat in the SECE will have beaten our brains out. That's a problem.
 
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You guys have incredible talent on this team, and it is sad to see how they played against UCLA.
It reminds me of how Alabama played against FSU last year. I think a coach that can put the "fire" back in the system is all you need.
Do you think Fulmer will see the light and do what's right for the program and retire on his own?
I am not being sarcastic, I really wonder if the game has passed him by, or he's just tired of the pressure?
Face it the SEC is the best in the country, and you have to keep pushing yourself to be better and better every year. Maybe he's simply had enough???

With Fulmer gone, who's going to keep you boys honest over there?! We know your angle :)
 
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In Alabama's case that's not true. Nobody can touch Saban without cause. Not the AD, the president, nor the Board of Trustees. His contract is guaranteed for 8 years, irregardless of wins.
Probably wouldn't hurt if we had an AD that would hold some feet to the fire. Pretty sure the other schools you mentioned do.
 
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I think it's 3 things:

A) The game has passed Fulmer by
B) We aren't less talented than the rest of the SEC... it's just that the SEC has caught up and with teams evenly talented, that's when the Coaching Staff wins
C) Fulmer is in denial about A and B
 

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