SEC Penalty yardage rankings

[jaxvol]

I was interested in everyone's take on the SEC Penalty yardage rankings. I was a bit surprised to see UT with the lowest yardage. I guess it shows discipline -- or lack of aggression.

What is your take?

Also, why has Florida been the most penalized under UM or SS? Try not to bash -- just good discussion.

PENALTIES G No Yds Avg/G
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1. Tennessee........... 4 19 145 36.2
2. Alabama............. 5 26 204 40.8
3. Georgia............. 5 31 220 44.0
4. Ole Miss............ 5 32 228 45.6
5. South Carolina...... 5 29 245 49.0
6. Auburn.............. 5 31 263 52.6
7. Vanderbilt.......... 4 23 215 53.8
8. Arkansas............ 4 24 232 58.0
9. LSU................. 5 45 310 62.0
10.Kentucky............ 5 30 315 63.0
11.Mississippi State... 5 40 355 71.0
12.Florida............. 5 49 392 78.4

 

[eloist]

It surprises me a bit also.

I think the fact we are number one shows a lack of aggression, as you stated.



Florida's rank does not surprise me. I'm telling you guys, they are a good team, but every ref that officiates their games gives them good spots and crazy calls.

Just goes to show that they are not a completely dedicated mentally stoic team. They get breaks. ALL THE TIME.

Even with all these penalties they miraculously find ways to win.

Good Lord I hate them.

 

[lawgator1]

I think it shows that the refs are obviously biased against UF and are calling the Gators for as much ticky tack nonsense as they can muster the gall to try to manufacture.

 

[volfanbill]

i wonder how many of those come from excessive celebration, late hits, etc. I'm not accusing anybody of anything, just curious. Florida's always gotten penalties for their aggressive style...

 

[kkep48]

I think it shows that the refs are obviously biased against UF and are calling the Gators for as much ticky tack nonsense as they can muster the gall to try to manufacture.

yeah, that bogus punt return interference call they called on Auburn shows the ticky tack they try to get on UF... give me a break.

 

[eloist]

yeah, that bogus punt return interference call they called on Auburn shows the ticky tack they try to get on UF... give me a break.

exactly.

THANK YOU.


Jabar Gaffney "catch"...... another example

I call this ref bias "Gator stroking"

 

[rwemyss]

I think it shows that the refs are obviously biased against UF and are calling the Gators for as much ticky tack nonsense as they can muster the gall to try to manufacture.

After the home cooking I saw on Saturday, this may be the joke post of the day.

 

[Vercingetorix]

Sunday Morning Quarterback had a piece awhile back that demonstrated pretty conclusively that there's no correlation between penalty yardage and whether a team loses or not. Situational penalties can kill you, of course -- one lousy offsides penalty can lose the game for you, if it happens at the wrong time -- but overall penalty yardage seems to be almost meaningless. If anything, there's a negative correlation, meaning that teams that are more penalized tend to have better W/L records.

One easy explanation for that could be that offenses are penalized more that defenses, so a team that has a good offense and higher-than-average time of possession is therefore going to have more penalties called. It may be as simple as that -- we haven't run the ball well, which means that our offense hasn't been on the field that much, which leads to us not having had that many penalties called on us.

 

[utvolpj]

It surprises me a bit also.

I think the fact we are number one shows a lack of aggression, as you stated.

How the heck does it equal lack of aggression? Should we try and get more late hits and personal fouls just to show UT is tough? Come on :crazy:

 

[VolunteerHillbilly]

Another break down that I would like to see is how many of the penalties are on D versus those on O, and which are procedural. I would think that taking a few of offensive pass interference and holding calls probably indicates an agressive offense and more likely than not you are going to get away with as many as you get called for. If you are regularly getting called for holding and intereference on D it probably means that you are in desparation mode because you cannot stop the big play without getting a little "edge".

 

[jaxvol]

I thought Saturday's UF game had lots of "home cooking". There were a lot of hits "to the echo of the whistle".

Even with Florida with so many flags, I though there should have been more of the 15 yard variety.

 

[eloist]

How the heck does it equal lack of aggression? Should we try and get more late hits and personal fouls just to show UT is tough? Come on :crazy:

Thats not what I'm saying at all.

All I am saying is that our defense is not beating ANYONE off of the line. No one.

Sometimes, you get a defensive offsides b/c a player is anticipating the snap count. This does cost your team 5 yards, but it also shows me that we are making an effort TO GET TO THE &^%#ING BALL.

I will take a 5 yard offsides on occasion if it means our kids are trying to guess the snap count and make a concerted effort to beat their blockers.

Don't try to act holier than thou. You know you want to see us ripping through an offensive line too buddy.

:salute:

 

[utvolpj]

Yeah but the penalty yardage also includes false starts. Is the OL just being aggressive too?

 

[GAVol]

I know things have been tough the last few weeks, but how on earth can you spin a low number of penalties into a negative?

 

[eloist]

Yeah but the penalty yardage also includes false starts. Is the OL just being aggressive too?

i was not referring to offensive penalties, but since you asked...

I think you can blame it on no huddle and silent counts.

even on the downs we dont use silent counts, our big fat lineman are in their stance 3 times as long as they would be if we used the huddle.

Your muscles tend to get jittery when you are in your stance that long...especially if you are large and in charge.

You didnt ever play football huh? From VA...probably a lacrosse guy arent ya?


:dance:

 

[vader]

I know things have been tough the last few weeks, but how on earth can you spin a low number of penalties into a negative?

:crazy:

 

[eloist]

I know things have been tough the last few weeks, but how on earth can you spin a low number of penalties into a negative?

I'm not saying our lack of penalties is a negative...far from it.

All i am saying is, I would gladly forfeit a few yards here and there if it meant our d-line was trying to guess a snap a count a make some dang plays behind the line of scrimmage.

you dont agree?

 

[Sudeepvol]

i heard on the radio that in the last 5 years, the teams that have more penalty yardage are more successful than the teams that have the least penalty yardage...maybe that has something to do with aggression and adreniline...?

 

[GAVol]

I'm not saying our lack of penalties is a negative...far from it.

All i am saying is, I would gladly forfeit a few yards here and there if it meant our d-line was trying to guess a snap a count a make some dang plays behind the line of scrimmage.

you dont agree?

I see what you are saying, but I'm not sure there's really a practical trade off between aggression and penalty flags.

 

[hatvol96]

There may be no more meaningless statistic, in a vacuum, than penalty yards. My favorite, of many, anectdotal example: 1991 Cotton Bowl-Miami-202 yards in penalties. Final Score: Miami-46, Texas-3.

 

[eloist]

I see what you are saying, but I'm not sure there's really a practical trade off between aggression and penalty flags.

fair enough.


the fact remains, our defensive line looks lackadaisacal (sp?)

They just look like they would rather be somewhere else. it's ridiculous.

I cant complain too much though, it's not like I'm on the field. and if I was, we would be 0-4

 

[GAVol]

I think that's right to the extent that penalties probably don't mean as much to good teams. But I do think that penalties are killers for marginal teams.

 

[hatvol96]

But I do think that penalties are killers for marginal teams.

True, but the problem isn't really the penalties themselves. It's the lack of discipline and organization underlying the infractions.

 

[jakez4ut]

I think that's right to the extent that penalties probably don't mean as much to good teams. But I do think that penalties are killers for marginal teams.

agreed. one need only look at our 2005 season as evidence.

True, but the problem isn't really the penalties themselves. It's the lack of discipline and organization underlying the infractions.

exactly.

 

[jaxvol]

Interesting discussion.

I thought of one other issue. What about coaches who use penalties as part of their strategy. For example, taking a delay of game to try to get more space for a punt of get a better angle on a field goal?

I don't think there are any stats breaking our defensive vs. offensive penalties.

More food for thought
2006 numbers

Misc. Team Statistics
TEAM G 1ST 1ST P/G 3RD CONV 3RD ATT 3RD PCT 4TH CONV 4TH ATT 4TH PCT PENALTIES PENALTY YRDS
1. Florida 14 285 20.4 74 167 44.3 9 18 50.0 116 888
2. Akron 12 206 17.2 44 157 28.0 15 27 55.6 111 888
3. South Florida 13 239 18.4 62 165 37.6 13 23 56.5 104 916
4. Arizona State 13 249 19.2 64 169 37.9 7 20 35.0 103 835
Hawaii 14 384 27.4 77 133 57.9 8 20 40.0 103 929
6. Oregon 13 306 23.5 87 181 48.1 11 26 42.3 98 780
7. Texas Tech 13 310 23.8 55 149 36.9 11 23 47.8 96 856
8. Houston 14 311 22.2 76 174 43.7 19 33 57.6 95 813
9. UAB 12 211 17.6 48 149 32.2 10 18 55.6 94 702
Brigham Young 13 307 23.6 94 168 56.0 6 11 54.5 94 769

2007

Misc. Team Statistics
TEAM G 1ST 1ST P/G 3RD CONV 3RD ATT 3RD PCT 4TH CONV 4TH ATT 4TH PCT PENALTIES PENALTY YRDS
1. Texas Tech 5 154 30.8 36 65 55.4 6 10 60.0 52 522
2. Florida 5 114 22.8 29 59 49.2 4 5 80.0 49 392
3. Western Michigan 5 112 22.4 33 82 40.2 10 15 66.7 48 399
4. Ohio 5 76 15.2 26 83 31.3 7 9 77.8 47 427
Oklahoma State 5 111 22.2 28 67 41.8 3 10 30.0 47 421
6. East Carolina 5 81 16.2 30 74 40.5 0 2 0.0 46 294
Cincinnati 5 123 24.6 27 64 42.2 6 9 66.7 46 402
TCU 5 87 17.4 27 78 34.6 5 10 50.0 46 368
9. LSU 5 111 22.2 35 72 48.6 1 1 100.0 45 310
Brigham Young 5 127 25.4 33 80 41.3 4 7 57.1 45 370
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115. Tennessee 4 86 21.5 24 60 40.0 2 5 40.0 19 145
116. West Virginia 5 124 24.8 29 60 48.3 4 9 44.4 18 163
117. Kansas 4 105 26.3 23 52 44.2 3 8 37.5 17 166
118. Wake Forest 4 72 18.0 25 67 37.3 4 10 40.0 16 130
Southern Miss 4 78 19.5 32 67 47.8 2 6 33.3 16 156
120. Iowa State 5 111 22.2 39 89 43.8 8 13 61.5 15 129