SEC official's take on last night

#52
#52
Palardy should have been kicking EP's. After the very first one I saw him kick I told my wife, put palardy in or we're gonna be sorry. Sheit
 
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jaybird_1981 said:
The same exact thing happened. After LSU made subs the umpire didn't pause and go up and hold the snap. If anything it was worse in the LSU game because they weren't just clocking it.
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There's a difference. We screwed up in the LSU game. We sent 3 on, and nobody made an attempt to come off, in fact they lined up.

UNC did what we did except on offense. They got bailed out of their stupidity by the rule not being enforced.

Once UNC sent their subs on the field the game should have been over, there was not "sufficient" time for UT to counter with subs. Thus the ball is never put into play and the clock runs out. The rest is irrelevant to me.
 
#54
#54
Got to hand it to the Big 10 here. Their teams can't beat SEC teams so they send their Refs to get it done.
 
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BeecherVol said:
I agree to an extent, there is not excuse for getting EPs blocked.
However, NC got close enough to get 6. Its not out of the question for them to had gotten it. It would have been harder, but not impossible by any means.
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Right, exactly....They did score at the end of the half and they very well could have at the end of the game but you get the XP and be up 21-17 it changes the whole complexion of the game...

My whole point and the thing that just frustrates me to no end is not doing the little things...Something that should be automatic...It's all he does...
 
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VolNC2316 said:
Right, exactly....They did score at the end of the half and they very well could have at the end of the game but you get the XP and be up 21-17 it changes the whole complexion of the game...

My whole point and the thing that just frustrates me to no end is not doing the little things...Something that should be automatic...It's all he does...
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The score before the half stole the mo. There was no excuse for that either.
 
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Stig said:
"Here's what the rule says, when the offense substitutes a player, then the umpire is supposed to cover the ball and not let the ball be snapped until the defense has an opportunity to react to the substitution, so, by rule, technically, the ball probably should have never gotten snapped," Goode said. "So, is that an error, well, it could be."

Here is the entire article.
SEC official reacts to call that sent Music City Bowl into overtime | wbir.com
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I'm not knocking or disagreeing in anyway. Not even trying to start an argument. But this is really ironic that the SEC refs could get it right when we have been *****ing about the SEC refs for some time now messing up calls in a game. It's a sad state of affairs for the other conference refs when they are worse then ours.
 
#61
#61
It all seems like BullS***. Hope one day soon The Vols' pain and suffering turns into wins and championships.
 
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Stig said:
"Here's what the rule says, when the offense substitutes a player, then the umpire is supposed to cover the ball and not let the ball be snapped until the defense has an opportunity to react to the substitution, so, by rule, technically, the ball probably should have never gotten snapped," Goode said. "So, is that an error, well, it could be."

Here is the entire article.
SEC official reacts to call that sent Music City Bowl into overtime | wbir.com
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Point: Officials are like New Jersey housewives constantly matching up against one another.

You would think there is a fraternity among officials and on the field there is.

Off field, they will gossip, claim higher ground, criticize, put down and act like a bunch of whiny assclowns.

And they love press since they rarely get any...that's good.

Goode needs to STFU and freeze his ego and remember, one day it could be him.
 
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joevol320 said:
if lincoln makes the PAT. it doesn't matter.
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Lincoln should have made several kicks that would've won games.....Glad he won't be kicking anymore!!! The real point of this post is that in my mind we went 8-5 instead of what will be 6-7 in the record books. Officials and espn and cbs broadcasters make me want to go off!!!!:banghead2: Next Year Baby! We are back! 9 wins :dance2::rock::loco::)
 
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mmmjtx said:
Somebody in a previous thread cited a rule that when the referee says a game is over, the game is over. In my 45 years of watching college football (or pro, for that matter), I have never seen a review when the referee says the game is over. What is the rule covering reviews? Can the officials actually declare a game is over, and then review to see if it is actually over?
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Here is a link to the rulebook: http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/FR09.pdf

The rule in question is rule 11-1-1. It can be found at page 142 of the linked PDF file. It states as follows:

The officials’ jurisdiction begins 60 minutes before the scheduled kickoff
and ends when the referee declares the score final [S14].

The NCAA rulebook specifically enumerates -- at page 19 of the linked PDF -- rule 11-1-1 as "an administrative rule that cannot be altered".

I don't know how this is anything other than the end of the analysis. Vols win 20-17. Everything that happened after the referee called the game was just a scrimmage. Because at that point -- per the NCAA -- the game was over. Under the rules, the offiicials had no authority to review the attempted spike.

I can't state that emphatically enough. Once the game was called, the officials -- and the rule does not distinguish between on-field officials and booth officials -- are no longer officials. You and your buddies could dress up like officials and run on the field after the ref calls the game....and you have just as much authority to review a play as the actual refs -- zero.

This is a huge elephant in the room.​
 
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Stig said:
"Here's what the rule says, when the offense substitutes a player, then the umpire is supposed to cover the ball and not let the ball be snapped until the defense has an opportunity to react to the substitution, so, by rule, technically, the ball probably should have never gotten snapped," Goode said. "So, is that an error, well, it could be."

Here is the entire article.
SEC official reacts to call that sent Music City Bowl into overtime | wbir.com
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I guess the biggest problem that I have with it is that the officials went out of their way to aid NC. First they raced to get the ball away from the NC running back-- who was oblivious and then they raced to spot the ball and resume play. I have never ever under any circumstance seen officials move that fast - set the ball that fast - not step over the ball - and it was all for one purpose -- to allow NC to get one more snap off. That is not the officials job. Fastest reset in the history of football.

Had we been smart we would have created a pile with a couple of additional tacklers and it would have taken longer to extract the ball.
 
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joevol320 said:
if lincoln makes the PAT. it doesn't matter.
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It's time to shut up with that stupid crap. There were a hundred different dropped passes, missed tackles, bad reads, wrong calls, etc that would have meant it 'didn't matter'.

The fact is we WERE IN THE LEAD WHEN THE GAME ENDED, so the absolute most telling event that made us lose was the officiating.

So please.
 
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Ari Silverstein said:
Point: Officials are like New Jersey housewives constantly matching up against one another.

You would think there is a fraternity among officials and on the field there is.

Off field, they will gossip, claim higher ground, criticize, put down and act like a bunch of whiny assclowns.

And they love press since they rarely get any...that's good.

Goode needs to STFU and freeze his ego and remember, one day it could be him.
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So you must be an official or related to one. What I have found is that most officials are huge defenders and apologists for and of all other officials and contend that their brothers have never missed a call no matter what the circumstance. This included Goode. The refs in this game "raced" to allow an additional play - did not stand over the ball to allow the defense to get set and both are outside the normal procedures -- to the benefit of North Carolina and the detriment of Tennessee.

Had it been handled in a normal fashion -- time runs out and it would have been an additional five seconds or so before the ball could have been snapped.
 
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joevol320 said:
if lincoln makes the PAT. it doesn't matter.
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Amen, glad to see him go. He always does something stupid like this over the years I have watched him. Never doubted his accuracy, he just cant kick the ball any higher than a middle school kicker. Watch him, his kicks are about a couple feet over the line of scrimage and the other kickers I watch kick it well over the line to the upper portion of the goal posts.
 
#70
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That's as bad as it'll get from an official criticizing an official. Those guys don't like to call each other out. To even hint that someone screwed up is a pretty strong indication there was an obvious error.
 
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kidbourbon said:
Here is a link to the rulebook: http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/FR09.pdf

The rule in question is rule 11-1-1. It can be found at page 142 of the linked PDF file. It states as follows:

The officials’ jurisdiction begins 60 minutes before the scheduled kickoff
and ends when the referee declares the score final [S14].

The NCAA rulebook specifically enumerates -- at page 19 of the linked PDF -- rule 11-1-1 as "an administrative rule that cannot be altered".

I don't know how this is anything other than the end of the analysis. Vols win 20-17. Everything that happened after the referee called the game was just a scrimmage. Because at that point -- per the NCAA -- the game was over. Under the rules, the offiicials had no authority to review the attempted spike.

I can't state that emphatically enough. Once the game was called, the officials -- and the rule does not distinguish between on-field officials and booth officials -- are no longer officials. You and your buddies could dress up like officials and run on the field after the ref calls the game....and you have just as much authority to review a play as the actual refs -- zero.

This is a huge elephant in the room.​
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At a minimum there is grey area here...this rule suggests that the review booth has supreme power to decide the end of the game....

Limitations on Reviewable Plays
ARTICLE 6. No other plays or officiating decisions are reviewable.
However, the replay official may correct egregious errors, including those involving the game clock, whether or not a play is reviewable.
 
#72
#72
After watching the game again, I as a lot of people feel the official(s) were wrong to call the game over only to retract that statement!

SO, FROM THIS POINT FORWARD, IF UT IS INVOLVED IN A GAME ENDING FLURRY LIKE THIS AGAIN, THE GAME AINT OVER UNTIL:
1), THE OFFICIALS HAVE LEFT THE FIELD,
2). ALL OF THE PLAYERS FROM BOTH TEAMS HAVE LEFT THE FIELD
3). THE STADIUM IS COMPLETELY EMPTY
4). THE SCOREBOARD IS TURNED OFF
5). THE STADIUM LIGHTS ARE TURNED OFF
 
#73
#73
I like Rocky Goode but his explanation was half-arsed... To even bring up the fact that Lincoln missed the PAT is complete BS! Yea and if Tennessee would have scored another touchdown in the 3rd quarter they would have won!

That is the biggest indictment of Rocky and officials in general..... It is utterly insane to use that kind of logic to justify those officials aggregious mistakes. I suspect that Rocky would say that the notorious 5th down play back in 1990 which enabled Colorado to beat Missouri was "an error, well, it could be".

Additionally Rocky declined to comment on the illegal participation, too many men on the field & illegal procedure aspects of the last few moments of regulation. Rocky also declined to comment on how the spike was considered valid to stop the clock in consideration of nullification and the prior running play.

"So, is that an error, well, it could be."
 
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mscc1998 said:
After watching the game again, I as a lot of people feel the official(s) were wrong to call the game over only to retract that statement!

SO, FROM THIS POINT FORWARD, IF UT IS INVOLVED IN A GAME ENDING FLURRY LIKE THIS AGAIN, THE GAME AINT OVER UNTIL:
1), THE OFFICIALS HAVE LEFT THE STATE,
2). ALL OF THE PLAYERS FROM BOTH TEAMS HAVE LEFT AND GRADUATED FROM THE SCHOOL THEY PLAY FOR
3). THE STADIUM IS COMPLETELY EMPTY, AND MULTIPLE GAMES HAVE BEEN PLAYED IN THAT STADIUM SINCE
4). THE SCOREBOARD IS TURNED OFF
5). THE STADIUM LIGHTS ARE TURNED OFF
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fyp:)
 
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mmmjtx said:
Somebody in a previous thread cited a rule that when the referee says a game is over, the game is over. In my 45 years of watching college football (or pro, for that matter), I have never seen a review when the referee says the game is over. What is the rule covering reviews? Can the officials actually declare a game is over, and then review to see if it is actually over?
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I totally agree ... since when did it become the replay booth's responsibilty to determine the exact one hundredth of a second a play should be called dead. Silly me, I thought the ref on the field signaled the end of the play afterwhich the timekeeper in the booth would stop the clock.

Of course, this is exactly what happened when the ref on the field declared the game over and then some fool in the booth decided to hijack the game. Quite simpy, Tennessee won the game and the Big 10 azzhole took it away.

So now my question is ... why didn't this same dumbazz official determine the exact time the clock should have been stopped on every incomplete pass (the exact second the ball hit the ground) or why didn't he determine the exact second a player stepped out of bounds.

Why did he only choose this one play to override the officials on the field. If one watches the replay, it's clear the spiked ball hit the ground at exactly the same time the clock was changing from 1 second to 0 seconds and there is no way an official could signal the end of the play and a timekeeper could stop the clock in less than one second.

This was total BS and of course by next year the NCAA will pass a rule to fix this obvious blunder and the new rule will become known as the "Tennessee Got Screwed" rule.
 
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