SEC is no place for a novice in training

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This is not a good job for anyone to learn on the fly. You would think a decade of losing has proven that fact. First year guys, mid-major coaches, and coordinators are not gonna fair well here. Has history tought us nothing?
 
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Les Miles won because he had the most fertile recruiting area in the country. UT does not. Sumlin sure didn't set the world on fire at TAM.
 
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I have no idea. One part of me thinks a big name could give you the appearance of some sort of influence. Like Les or Sumlin. Another part of me thinks Fulmer for a stabilization period would bring the family together and we sort it out later. No part of me wants another Dooley or Butch. And at this point we are headed that way. But I know nothing and am nobody important. I think Kiffin might be viewed as a positive in the public view. But I really just don’t know. Nothing like this has ever happened before
 
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Gus Mahlzan
Fulmer

All guys who wouldn’t have met OP’s criteria.

Nearly every Oklahoma coach over the past 50 years?
 
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volzfanz said:
This is not a good job for anyone to learn on the fly. You would think a decade of losing has proven that fact. First year guys, mid-major coaches, and coordinators are not gonna fair well here. Has history tought us nothing?
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Give me a break. These anti Tee threads need to stop. Lane is my first choice with Tee as second.

However, allowing Tee to have a blank check and surround himself with an all star staff. Hell, most of the people on this board say Phil is a hall of famer solely because of his staff.

Tee would be fine here. Would their be growing pains? Sure. But it’s not like he’s going straight from player to coach.
 
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I disagree. Coordinators and Mid-Major coaches can be successful. There might be a guy out there who just doesn't fit too well as a coordinator, but if he's self aware enough that he would be better in another position, he could manage a game as a hc as long as he had the right staff and trusted his staff to make the right decisions.

Example: According to Myers-Brigs, I am an INTJ. I can match wits with anyone when it comes to management of people, logistical resources, and a business because I am strategically minded and know how to get from point A to point B and every conceivable route to get them there.

Don't ask me to sale anything. I can coach you on how to be a salesman. How to utilize all the proper techniques, and how to overcome customer objections.. but I am not a salesman and would suck hard doing it.
 
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volzfanz said:
This is not a good job for anyone to learn on the fly. You would think a decade of losing has proven that fact. First year guys, mid-major coaches, and coordinators are not gonna fair well here. Has history tought us nothing?
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Depends on the coach. As much as I hate him & hope he rots, Meyer was a mid-major MWC conf. coach before he came here. Freeze won at Ole Miss (tho by unfair means) & I don't recall him being a power 5 HC beforehand. Iirc, Sumlin came from Houston & did pretty well at A&M. I'd have loved to have been ~50-25 in the past ~half-decade. Just sayin'.
 
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shotgun83 said:
I disagree. Coordinators and Mid-Major coaches can be successful. There might be a guy out there who just doesn't fit too well as a coordinator, but if he's self aware enough that he would be better in another position, he could manage a game as a hc as long as he had the right staff and trusted his staff to make the right decisions.

Example: According to Myers-Brigs, I am an INTJ. I can match wits with anyone when it comes to management of people, logistical resources, and a business because I am strategically minded and know how to get from point A to point B and every conceivable route to get them there.

Don't ask me to sale anything. I can coach you on how to be a salesman. How to utilize all the proper techniques, and how to overcome customer objections.. but I am not a salesman and would suck hard doing it.
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But after two hires along those lines with miserable failures, would you be willing to do it again. 99% of us said this one HAS to be right. Another crap shoot isn’t in our best interest.
 
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Orange to the Bay said:
Depends on the coach. As much as I hate him & hope he rots, Meyer was a mid-major MWC conf. coach before he came here. Freeze won at Ole Miss (tho by unfair means) & I don't recall him being a power 5 HC beforehand. Iirc, Sumlin came from Houston & did pretty well at A&M. I'd have loved to have been ~50-25 in the past ~half-decade. Just sayin'.
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You guys are quoting the exception and not the norm. I never said it was impossible for an up n comer to be successful. But once again, for every one Meyer success story there are one hundred failure stories. My point exactly. It’s a crap shoot. In our position we need to quit shooting the dice and go for a name coach and be prepared for 7-9 wins and some good PR.
 
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