SEC Expansion

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volboy81 said:
I'm old school too. I'm about to get used to USCe & Ark after 22 yrs! Mo & A&M really aren't southeast in geography so it's still hard to accept them as part of the SEC....I sure don't want to expand any more!
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I'm in the same boat. Seems as though Texas isn't in the South East and for major programs like Fla St and Miami would make a much better addition. I see the TV deals as the major purpose because of revenue. However, I vaguely remember before Arky and USC jr there was talk of adding Miami and Fla St but neither wanted to compete against SEC football for an entire season.
 
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knoxvols11 said:
I'm in the same boat. Seems as though Texas isn't in the South East and for major programs like Fla St and Miami would make a much better addition. I see the TV deals as the major purpose because of revenue. However, I vaguely remember before Arky and USC jr there was talk of adding Miami and Fla St but neither wanted to compete against SEC football for an entire season.
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Florida St did get an offer, which they turned down in favor of the easier road in the ACC. Miami was never considered.

Fact is, the value of media rights has exploded since then. Florida State will never be given another invite. That ship has sailed.
 
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I like adding 4 teams. MTSU, North Carolina, VT, and WVU. With that you could send Mizzu to the west, have MTSU join them and add vT, NC, and WVU to the east. Or go get a TCU or SMU for the west.
 
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knoxvols11 said:
I was. Was wanting to make reference to their receiver running at the mouth then GA blowing them out. Last year whenever both played it seems as though the announcers kept shinning them with the big 12 and trying to use them to knock the SEC. Could just be me though. Funny thing is, if both would have been in the big 12 last year one of them could have been in NC contention had both played each other in a B 12 CG. One probably would have come out undefeated.

On a side not, I hope SEC doesn't add more teams.
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I don't really care for the whole conference supremacy thing, so I'm just going to point this out. Does anyone find it interesting that 2 teams that had not won the Big 12 this century came into the SEC and both had 10 win seasons in one of their first two years? One beats the defending NC on the road their first year and the other plays in the SECCG during their 2nd?

The conference supremacy argument has been made because of UF, LSU, AU, and UA. The other 8 teams have done a great job of not living up to expectations or just plain sucking.
 
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lawvol78 said:
I like adding 4 teams. MTSU, North Carolina, VT, and WVU. With that you could send Mizzu to the west, have MTSU join them and add vT, NC, and WVU to the east. Or go get a TCU or SMU for the west.
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West Virginia is never receiving an invite from the SEC. Ever.

And I assume you're kidding about MTSU. Not only would they never receive an invite, if they were to ask, Mike Slive would laugh in their faces.
 
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In the long run, adding flagship schools from SC, AR, TX and MZ is a brilliant move for the SEC. Despite having no football championships yet from SC and ARK since acquiring them in the early 90's, there's no doubt that the SEC vastly strengthened their dominance in college football during those same years.
 
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Rudy123 said:
Only thing measurable that Arkansas has done since '92 was win the National Championship in men's basketball & also win some bowl games.

Now South Carolina has a respectable baseball, football & womens basketball team, but they have won nothing. NOt a National Championship. Not an S.E.C. Championship (in football) but they are respectable.
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South Carolina won back to back national championships in baseball in 2010 and 2011.
 
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jeffmcflurry27 said:
I don't really care for the whole conference supremacy thing, so I'm just going to point this out. Does anyone find it interesting that 2 teams that had not won the Big 12 this century came into the SEC and both had 10 win seasons in one of their first two years? One beats the defending NC on the road their first year and the other plays in the SECCG during their 2nd?

The conference supremacy argument has been made because of UF, LSU, AU, and UA. The other 8 teams have done a great job of not living up to expectations or just plain sucking.
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I agree. The SEC is top heavy or has been in the past as Fla has bottomed out. The way Tenn was with Fulmer his last several years in the Bowl Games and the way Bama plays in them if they don't play for a NC I don't believe in having Bowl Games as the point for conference supremacy.
 
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I am in favor of the 4 super conferences. 16 teams each. I would love to see flr st and clemson since they both have rivals in the sec already and play them every year already. You could easily slide Mizzou to the west and add them both to the east since thats where their rivalries are already, but I dont see that happening. Even though those two schools would come in immediatley and compete. I could see nc and Virginia tech joining though. Which would suck cause I feel like we would lose some recruits to those schools, especially nc.
 
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bamawriter said:
West Virginia is never receiving an invite from the SEC. Ever.

And I assume you're kidding about MTSU. Not only would they never receive an invite, if they were to ask, Mike Slive would laugh in their faces.
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I am saying vandy, miss st, ole miss, USCjr all were unimaginably awful at times but got better because of the conference. MTSU has a great fan base and they have a good facility. Hey smart guy, tell me why not MTSU ?
 
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bamawriter said:
West Virginia is never receiving an invite from the SEC. Ever.

And I assume you're kidding about MTSU. Not only would they never receive an invite, if they were to ask, Mike Slive would laugh in their faces.
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Since u have the inside info, tell me why WVU will NEVER get an invite
 
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lawvol78 said:
I am saying vandy, miss st, ole miss, USCjr all were unimaginably awful at times but got better because of the conference. MTSU has a great fan base and they have a good facility. Hey smart guy, tell me why not MTSU ?
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He's smarter than you. MTSU has ZERO fan base. They barely put 10,000 people in their stadium on home games. Its a suitcase school - no one stays there on the weekend so there is no one to go to the fb games.

Do some research before calling someone out
 
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lawvol78 said:
Since u have the inside info, tell me why WVU will NEVER get an invite
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A school that, when trying to bolt from the collapsing Big East, got turned down by both the ACC AND the SEC? (Also, one that the Big 12 added just to make sure they had a 10th team.)


Among other things, it has no major media markets tied to it (the main reason expansion has been taking place, since this has all been about dollars to the conferences). The state has maybe a population of 1 million total (for comparison, TN has one of 6.5 million; Missouri has one of 6 million). And counter to what fans of the school claim, they do not bring in any of the Pittsburgh, DC, or Baltimore markets.

And while we're at it, it's not the deciding factor, but academically it even makes Kentucky look prestigious (UK is the worst rated school in the SEC at #119. WVU comes in all the way at #170.). Good luck convincing university presidents - who are the ones that vote on such decisions - that it's a good idea to add them.

The closest thing they suit to a need is that they're close geographically (and that doesn't mean much anymore).



The only way they end up in this conference is if the SEC has no better options, are just willing to settle, and thus just need another body.
 
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sjt18 said:
Add two more and go to a four division league.

Baylor would now make a nice target after they've seen the effect on TAM. Texas is a big enough state that two SEC teams would not hurt TV. An Oklahoma team would be nice but I don't think they'd move. IMHO, getting any of the big 4 from NC is a pipe dream. Va Tech has shown a willingness to listen. The Big 12 move hasn't had the impact for WVU that they hoped so that could make sense too.
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I don't think you'll ever see Baylor targeted by this league, or by anyone else (unless they were somehow, say, bundled with Texas). They've seen a nice little string of successes the last few years, but I'm not sure they bring nearly enough eyes. They were the ones panicking (i.e., threatening lawsuits) when A&M was leaving because the school knew that, were the Big 12 to fall apart, they'd be one of the teams likely left without a home. It's not an issue of Texas's size and more than one team, though; it's about the draw (and eyes) that other team actually brings with it.




You're right about OU. Not only do their powers that be not care for the conference at this point (seemingly they look down upon it; their real desire, if the last round of realignment were any indication, would be to get to join the Pac-12 and gain access to California/LA), but they want Oklahoma State to come with them wherever they might end up moving. One would also have to wait for the Big 12's grant of rights to expire (it was just recently renewed until around 2025 or so).





VT could be a reasonable add, if they were interested and the ACC's grant of rights had expired (they and Clemson went out of their way early and often to shoot down such though, last realignment round, any time anything came up); the SEC wouldn't want WVU though.
 
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lawvol78 said:
I am saying vandy, miss st, ole miss, USCjr all were unimaginably awful at times but got better because of the conference. MTSU has a great fan base and they have a good facility. Hey smart guy, tell me why not MTSU ?
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Their stadium is smaller than Vandy's, and they average less than half of what Vandy does per game.

Not to mention they bring no media market at all. None.

You might as well ask why UAB or Southern Miss wouldn't be considered.
 
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I am a fan of 4x16 and then build a playoff for NC out of that. The top 2 from each conference play in first round, which will happen to also be conference championship.. then semi finals is west vs east of however it ends up going.. Then the NC game from those winners.. then leave the rest of the bowl system alone for the most part.

Its the most logical way to do it, it would also serve to spread the money around more evenly.. which would lead to more continuity among the lower tier schools at least.
 
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overseasorange said:
It's hard for me to think of a team from Texas being in the SouthEAST conference. It would make more sense for a team from North Carolina.
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Texas is very big u could fit the rest of the sec inside it almost.the region were a&m is fits in nicely with lsu and Arkansas and also puts me back in sec country!
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knoxvols11 said:
I'm probably older than most of the posters on this forum so my thoughts probably differ alot. I remember not really careing either way in 92' when USC jr and Arkansas joined. But over the years since, I never really viewed them as part of the SEC. It's not just that they have not been dominant or that we always seem to have their number. Now with A&M and Mizzo in our conference I still view them as outsiders. Granted both were good last year (especially considering Mizzo getting thumped by everyone but us), but I still didn't feel as though they are part of the SEC. What's everyones thoughts?
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If I had a choice, I would like to see West Virginia or Virginia Tech possibly being added as SEC members.
 
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Add two teams from eastern states like VT and NC state and move Misery to the SEC west where they belong
 
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the goal in the near future is 16 I think Nc State is the most likely as one of those I think Virginia tech would jump at the chance for an SEC invite. we won't add Georgia Tech, Louisville, FSU, or Clemson just because of USC, UGA, Florida , & Kentucky agreeing to block any admittance for either of the other's rival


Baylor won't come just because of the way they acted when A&M & Mizzou announced they were leaving UNC & Duke wont come because both would be a package deal I could definetly see Oklahoma or Okie State coming Oklahoma has already shown they don't give two cents about what Texas thinks they probably would've came along with A&M & Mizzou if Baylor hadn't gotten their panties in a wad
 
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