SEC Expansion (merged)

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MemphisVol said:
Miami's also not really thug U anymore- though I'm still not a fan.

The one problem is that the city of Miami fan-base sucks. There may be a lot of people in the area, but they only support their teams (outside of the Dolphins) when they're doing really well. Memphis sucks pretty bad in that way too, but Miami has traditionally made us look like K-ville by comparison.

Still, they would be a natural addition, and I'd bet getting either them or FSU would lead almost automatically into getting the other.

I don't think Texas or A&M is coming, much less TTech, and not just because of the requirement to play each other. If we're moving westward, Missouri is probably the most likely mark- I don't see OK coming either, and that pretty much limits the field. The only other likely additions I can think of would be Louisiana Tech and- if their ready & willing to move up yet- 1AA dominator McNeese State. I just don't think we've got a realistic shot at anybody else west of the river unless Texas' legislature suspends the scheduling requirement.
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you're right. from the regionality they're natural additions and more than likely that's what our moves are going to come down to. It won't be hitting the Jackpot but it certainly won't be hitting bankrupt either.

I dont think we'll be adding any AA's or calling up any MAC, CUSA, or teams of that caliber
 
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what CFN thinks will happen:

Scout.com: 2015 Realignment ... If Everything Changes

though worth note, the writer makes clear beforehand that - while he puts Texas in the Pac-10 here, he thinks they're more likely to go independent or even join the big 10

ACC

The league loses a few of its top teams to the SEC, mostly because of geography, and it raids the Big East cupboard yet again while also bringing in some choice Conference USAers. In this case, what I think will happen matches up with what will probably end up happening.

Add: Cincinnati, East Carolina, Pitt, Louisville, UCF, South Florida, Syracuse, West Virginia
Lose: Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Miami

The 2015 ACC Will Probably Be …

Atlantic: Boston College, Cincinnati, East Carolina, Maryland, Pitt, Louisville, Syracuse, West Virginia
Coastal: Duke, North Carolina, NC State, South Florida, UCF, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Wake Forest


Big East

It disbands as a major football conference and concentrates on basketball.

Big Ten

It all depends on Texas. If the Longhorns go to the Pac 10, then the Big Ten ends up raiding the Big East for more than just Rutgers (probably Connecticut). The league has its three teams set up in Nebraska, Missouri, and Rutgers (no matter what the Big 12 guys are saying), and it’ll do a dance with Notre Dame before finally reeling in the big prize five years from now. Personally, I think Texas ends up in the Big Ten, but let’s say that doesn’t happen … for now.

Add: Connecticut, Missouri, Nebraska, Notre Dame, Rutgers
Lose: No one

The 2015 Big Ten Will Probably Be …

East: Connecticut, Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Penn State, Purdue, Rutgers
West: Illinois, Iowa, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, Northwestern, Notre Dame, Wisconsin



Big 12

The league will try to stop the bleeding by picking up all the top Mountain West and Conference USA teams, and while it won’t be anywhere near as good a conference, it’ll still be competitively interesting.

Add: Boise State, BYU, Colorado State, Fresno State, Houston, Nevada, San Diego State, SMU, Southern Miss, TCU, UNLV, Utah
Lose: Colorado, Missouri, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech

The 2015 Big 12 Will Probably Be …
North: Boise State, Colorado State, Fresno State, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, Nevada, UNLV
South: Baylor, BYU, Houston, San Diego State, SMU, Southern Miss, TCU, Utah


Pac 10

The league isn’t thinking small as it realizes that raiding the Mountain West won’t do anything for the TV dollars. Again, let’s assume the Big 12 South (sans Baylor) is making the move. I don’t think the Pac 10 is getting Texas, and it might make a push then for Kansas for the basketball program. USC would end up being on the other side of Texas division-wise.

Add: Colorado, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech
Drop: No one

The 2015 Pac 10 Will Probably Be …
North: California, Colorado, Oregon, Oregon State, Stanford, USC, Washington, Washington State
South: Arizona, Arizona State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, UCLA



SEC

The SEC will easily take over the programs that make geographic and regional sense, and all of a sudden, ESPN will have gotten a bargain for its billion-dollar TV deal. While the newly formed league wouldn’t have the reach of the Big Ten, it would take on a life unto its own and would be a cash cow for all the members and the networks.

Add: Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Miami
Lose: No one

The 2015 SEC Will Probably Be …

East: Clemson, Florida, Georgia, Georgia Tech, Kentucky, South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
West: Alabama, Arkansas, Auburn, Florida State, LSU, Miami, Mississippi, Mississippi State


Conference USA, Mountain West, WAC

Trying to piece something together, the three leagues form a new 16-team conference that could put together a nice, midrange TV package.

The 2015 Mish Mosh League Will Probably Be …

East: Air Force, Idaho, Louisiana Tech, Memphis, Rice, Tulane, Wyoming
West: Hawaii, New Mexico, New Mexico State, San Jose State, Tulsa, Utah State, UTEP


MAC

The league stays the same but welcomes home Marshall while bringing aboard Army and Navy to create a 16-team league.

The 2015 MAC Will Probably Be …

East: Akron, Army, Buffalo, Marshall, Miami Univ., Navy, Ohio, Temple
West: Ball State, Bowling Green, Central Michigan, Eastern Michigan, Kent State, Northern Illinois, Toledo, Western Michigan


Sun Belt

The league adds UAB to form a natural geographic rivalry with several nearby programs.

The 2015 Sun Belt Will Probably Be …
Arkansas State, Florida Atlantic, FIU, Louisiana, Middle Tennessee, North Texas, Troy, UAB, ULM, Western Kentucky
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TrueOrange said:
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Because it makes too much sense, both logistically and financially?

For those who believe that Texas and A&M can part ways to separate conferences, please re-read today's reports of the lobbying efforts to force the Pac-10 to invite and take Baylor - that's right, Baylor - instead of Colorado. They're not doing that to then let A&M split from Texas.

I don't care how, "populace" Miami is - it brings absolutely ZERO benefit to the SEC outside of that which it now enjoys. And by, "zero", I mean, "Jack Shat". Same for GT, Clemson, FSU, et al. Miami is about 10 years removed from the only 15 years or so that they were relevant. If you're going to continue wishfully thinking that they'll get into the SEC, then just say that instead of raising (and re-re-re-re raising) the same insufficient points which have already been refuted several times before. Gibbs High School is more deserving of an SEC bid than Miami.
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Tenacious D said:
Because it makes too much sense, both logistically and financially?

For those who believe that Texas and A&M can part ways to separate conferences, please re-read today's reports of the lobbying efforts to force the Pac-10 to invite and take Baylor - that's right, Baylor - instead of Colorado. They're not doing that to then let A&M split from Texas.

I don't care how, "populace" Miami is - it brings absolutely ZERO benefit to the SEC outside of that which it now enjoys. And by, "zero", I mean, "Jack Shat". Same for GT, Clemson, FSU, et al. Miami is about 10 years removed from the only 15 years or so that they were relevant. If you're going to continue wishfully thinking that they'll get into the SEC, then just say that instead of raising (and re-re-re-re raising) the same insufficient points which have already been refuted several times before. Gibbs High School is more deserving of an SEC bid than Miami.
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I totally agree with your Texas/Texas A&M predictions.

With that said, if all of this goes down and the PAC 10 or Big 10 makes a big enough splash, I think it would force the hand of the SEC. We would need to compete for hype in a sense. Miami, FSU, Clemson, or GA Tech don't bring anything financially to the table but to continue our strong influence on the BCS we would have to do something if Texas goes to the Pac 10. The only real school I see that brings anything to the table in the form of TV markets AND competitiveness is Oklahoma. But I think we will be too late to the party when Oklahoma decides to jump ship.
 
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Tenacious D said:
Because it makes too much sense, both logistically and financially?

For those who believe that Texas and A&M can part ways to separate conferences, please re-read today's reports of the lobbying efforts to force the Pac-10 to invite and take Baylor - that's right, Baylor - instead of Colorado. They're not doing that to then let A&M split from Texas.

I don't care how, "populace" Miami is - it brings absolutely ZERO benefit to the SEC outside of that which it now enjoys. And by, "zero", I mean, "Jack Shat". Same for GT, Clemson, FSU, et al. Miami is about 10 years removed from the only 15 years or so that they were relevant. If you're going to continue wishfully thinking that they'll get into the SEC, then just say that instead of raising (and re-re-re-re raising) the same insufficient points which have already been refuted several times before. Gibbs High School is more deserving of an SEC bid than Miami.
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what? no...where is this all coming from

the realities right now are Texas is either going 1) independent 2) Big ten 3) Pac 10 or 4) staying in the Big 12

I've spent the last two days reading up on the Texas situations. We're not in the discussions. We're not going to be. That's unfortunately the reality of the situation. Reasons are ranging from keeping all the Texas teams together to claims of "academics" but the end is - unless the SEC stands on it's head, does backflips, and some other crazy shenanigans, they're not coming here.

Honestly, that's the reality: as much as we would like Texas, we're not in this one and aren't going to be (unless some unexpected miracle comes out of the sky).

It's looking more and more like we're not going to get Texas was what he was saying; I was agreeing



Now I don't know what caused your outburst. Honestly, all what I've been saying has been stuff I've seen from the professional sports media....there seems at least some validity there.

And WANTING Miami, FSU, Gt or whoever? I haven't said anything about wanting or wishing any of these teams. I'd much rather get Texas, OU, A&M and whoever if we have to have anyone, but I'd be just as happy with no expansion at all. But in all likelihood, neither of those are going to happen.

Unfortunately, what's probably going to happen is what keeps getting shown and what we keep hearing from the people whose job it is to research these things. Are those the ideal teams we would all like? No. Are they a terrible fit? No. But if that's what's most likely going to happen, I'm going to at least attempt to put some positive spin on it. They bring some more houses and revenue, fine. They're not good? ok. It's still better than inviting freakin Kansas state, UNC, or some conference USA teams. But even ESPN agrees -- what's going on in college football right now, it is all about money

Maybe you misunderstand my tones. My you think I'm some snobby jack--- just telling people they're wrong. I don't know.

I wasn't going at him about being wrong or Texas being a bad fit or anything of the sort. It's just he's right. The longer this keeps going on the way it currently has and the longer we're not mentioned in their discussions at all, the less and less likely it is that Texas is going to end up being in the SEC. And I was agreeing with that idea.
 
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I'd like to see us add North Carolina. It'll bring in the NC markets and really improve SEC basketball.

I'd like to see additions of VT, West Virginia, North Carolina, and perhaps FSU or Clemson?

I think one team to bring in the NC markets and one team to bring in the Virginia/D.C. markets would be exceptional. We could toy around with other teams AFTER adding in teams that bring in new markets.

I REALLY don't want Miami or GT. Adding Clemson may give our conference Tiger-mascot overkill--which is undesirable to me from an aesthetic point of view, lol. X(
 
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If the SEC goes to 16 teams, we'd have to add a 9th conference game, if we plan on continuing to play a permanent opponent from the other division. Otherwise, we'd never see anyone but Bama from the West.

That's one of my problems with 16-team leagues. If you play, say, 8 league games, and you don't have a permanent opponent from the other division, then you're having a home game against a given team in the other division just once every 16 years.

And, if all these new super conferences go to 9-game league schedules, the number of compelling out-of-conference games will drop a lot.

The other thing I hate about it is the aggression is going to rival that of cable company and bank takeovers, among other industries. Where does it end? Will we see the Pac-24, the Big 24, and a 24-team SEC?

OK, I've said my piece.
 
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Conference USA, Mountain West, WAC

Trying to piece something together, the three leagues form a new 16-team conference that could put together a nice, midrange TV package.

The 2015 Mish Mosh League Will Probably Be …

East: Air Force, Idaho, Louisiana Tech, Memphis, Rice, Tulane, Wyoming
West: Hawaii, New Mexico, New Mexico State, San Jose State, Tulsa, Utah State, UTEP
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Nice job, CFN. That adds up to 14, not 16.
Otherwise, their predictions look good. But, I think the SEC'd prefer Va Tech to bringing back Ga Tech. We'll see though.
 
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I do like the idea of adding Miami and FSU although not sure that would ever happen...Would be a good move for both of them for sure....Not only that but Florida would not be able to schedule annual cupcakes like they do every year...Add a couple more schools like WVU "Who I think would be perfect for the SEC" and maybe Clemson or UNC who would give the SEC the two winningest basketball programs in NCAA history...Not sure about UNC, but you get the idea.....It would certainly open up some new exciting rivalries to blossom as well.
 
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pantone151 said:
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Sorry but Sou Florida will never be in the SEC. They've only been playing D1 football for 9 years and the league's a little more prestegious to let some toddler come in.
 
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No way the ACC adds Army LMAO....Or the SEC adding Baylor....Wow, some people have too much time on their hands.
 
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GreveHaller said:
Sorry but Sou Florida will never be in the SEC. They've only been playing D1 football for 9 years and the league's a little more prestegious to let some toddler come in.
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Well, We did let South Carolina in........Think about it :ermm:
 
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VOLnMiami said:
Well, We did let South Carolina in........Think about it :ermm:
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South Carolina has been playing football since 1892, all at the D1 level. They also played in the ACC as well as being independent before joining the SEC in 92. That's a world of difference between SC and Sou Florida "The team began playing in 1997, holding its first team meeting under a shade tree as the school had no proper football facilities on campus"

1892 vs 1997 is a lifetime of experience. We're not a developmental league, we're an established respected league.
 
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#149
If we expand I don't see us going after huge powerhouses as much as we would try and add teams that bring in new areas. The Big 12 teams seem to be taking the leap to the Pac10, so we'll have to focus on ACC and Big East teams.

In the last expansion we wound up adding two mid-range teams such as Arkansas and South Carolina that, while not adding a whole lot to the competitiveness of the conference, did add new markets.

No way we get Texas or A&M because all the Texas schools are bound by the stupid state legislature. An Oklahoma + OK State package deal with the Texas schools to the PAC10 also makes adding any of them unlikely.

That leaves us with our only real viable options in GT, FSU, Miami, UNC, UVA, VT, WVU, and Clemson.

Only UNC and the Virginia schools take us into unoccupied states by the SEC. Miami gives us a big-city market in South Florida, but I don't think they fit the SEC culture. GT plays second-fiddle to UGA in that state anyway. FSU would add another traditional powerhouse, but doesn't offer much in the new-market arena; the same goes for Clemson (although not a powerhouse, they are a big football school with an SEC-esque culture).

All this expansion talk has me really excited, though. Change is inevitable, and it's just cool that it's happening during our own time.

We're seeing a whole new paradigm shift in College Sports and we get to watch it unfold.
 
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GreveHaller said:
South Carolina has been playing football since 1892, all at the D1 level. They also played in the ACC as well as being independent before joining the SEC in 92. That's a world of difference between SC and Sou Florida "The team began playing in 1997, holding its first team meeting under a shade tree as the school had no proper football facilities on campus"

1892 vs 1997 is a lifetime of experience. We're not a developmental league, we're an established respected league.
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Um, take a look at South Carolinas life time record. They're a sub .500 team. Sure, they've been around since the late 1800s.... But the only have one title, and that's from the acc, over 40 years ago! Not to mention they're 4-11 in bowl games. Those kind of stats demand respect!

While I agree to an extent USF doesn't make sense as an addition due to their history, which isn't their fault, they make sense logistically, and they would become natural rivals for other SEC teams.


Edit; usf is 95-57. 3-2 in bowl games, and acheived a ranking of #2 at one point in 2007. Put them in the SEC with the right coach and they could very well a power house..... Much more so than S-Car.
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