SEC doesn't want TN to Beat BAMA

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Ok my point is that I don't believe the college football world is perfect.. I don't think it's some conspiracy though i just think that it wouldn't be hard for Slive to have a few money shakes before the game.. Lots of coaches are cheaters and liars.. So that makes the commissioners perfect?? I'm not saying its some mastermind plan either.. People can act individually.. My point is that I wonder how much greed plays a part in college football.. I think it would surprise anyone who actually found out the truth.. Will we ever know?? Prob not.. But crazier scandals have happened came public before..
 
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BOBeLITE said:
Ok my point is that I don't believe the college football world is perfect.. I don't think it's some conspiracy though i just think that it wouldn't be hard for Slive to have a few money shakes before the game.. Lots of coaches are cheaters and liars.. So that makes the commissioners perfect?? I'm not saying its some mastermind plan either.. People can act individually.. My point is that I wonder how much greed plays a part in college football.. I think it would surprise anyone who actually found out the truth.. Will we ever know?? Prob not.. But crazier scandals have happened came public before..
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Just stop please. Yes Obviously the sec wants 1 vs 2, but slive isn't giving out hundred dollar handshakes to refs to ensure this happens. Honestly do you think he would risk federal prison so ala stays undefeated.


There always seems to be teams that get "breaks" because that is the nature of things. How many teams are undefeated right now? How many will be undefeated at the end of the season? Some will dodge the proverbial bullet some won't. If you go back in time and reroll the dice you would get different results. Stop this nonsense the powers that be are protecting teams. It just ridiculous.
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I don't see how anyone doesn't question the SEC officiating after some of the calls in the last few years that have been blantantly awful and have directly helped the higher ranked team. There were multiple games in 2009 where BAMA and UF were helped with calls in games where they would have had a good chance of losing without those calls. Heck, even the national media was questioning what was going on with SEC officiating.

Just ask anyone outside of the SEC what they think of the integrity of our league. I'm not saying that there are secret meetings or conspiracies. I don't know whether these bad calls are personal bias or incompetency but it is ridiculous not to admit that the number of incidences of bad officiating favoring the higher ranked team isn't puzzling/troubling.

It also is troubling that the SEC allows former players/alumni to officiate in the league.

I used to think that my grandmother was paranoid when she would tell me that UT is disrespected by the media and consistently gets the short end of the stick when it comes to officiating. What I have witnessed in my life as a fan has changed my opinion and has lead me to expect bad calls against UT.

Call it what you want, but it is troubling that UT fans expect to get screwed by the refs. Some of us may be a little paranoid but it's hard not to be when you witness a pattern of events where we consistently get screwed by officiating.

I wouldn't expect BAMA or UF fans to give any merit to this as those two programs have consistently benefitted from bad officiating for years.

Also, it is extremely naieve not to believe that refs can be influenced. There are examples of players, coaches and boosters being bought or cheating but it is out of the realm of possibility that SEC officials are dirty or impart their personal bias on games!? Please....
 
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DjCrenshaw said:
I am pretty sure a one lose SEC team trumps many other teams. I would say a one lose SEC team has a clear shot to NC. I can't say the same for some of these other teams and conferences. How long do you think it will be before people get sick of SEC teams in the championship and sports writers try and talk SEC teams out of playing in the NC?
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Never. Nc game with other teams = money. Nc game with an sec team= more money. As long as there is money...Media and writers done care.
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gainesvol82 said:
I don't see how anyone doesn't question the SEC officiating after some of the calls in the last few years that have been blantantly awful and have directly helped the higher ranked team. There were multiple games in 2009 where BAMA and UF were helped with calls in games where they would have had a good chance of losing without those calls. Heck, even the national media was questioning what was going on with SEC officiating.

Just ask anyone outside of the SEC what they think of the integrity of our league. I'm not saying that there are secret meetings or conspiracies. I don't know whether these bad calls are personal bias or incompetency but it is ridiculous not to admit that the number of incidences of bad officiating favoring the higher ranked team isn't puzzling/troubling.

It also is troubling that the SEC allows former players/alumni to officiate in the league.

I used to think that my grandmother was paranoid when she would tell me that UT is disrespected by the media and consistently gets the short end of the stick when it comes to officiating. What I have witnessed in my life as a fan has changed my opinion and has lead me to expect bad calls against UT.

Call it what you want, but it is troubling that UT fans expect to get screwed by the refs. Some of us may be a little paranoid but it's hard not to be when you witness a pattern of events where we consistently get screwed by officiating.

I wouldn't expect BAMA or UF fans to give any merit to this as those two programs have consistently benefitted from bad officiating for years.
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1. Just as many bad teams benefit from poor officiating as good teams. It just doesn't matter as much because good teams can win even if some calls go against them.

2. Your eyes and ears are going to see and hear what your mind wants them to. If you want to beleive the refs are screwing us then you are going to notice the non-calls bad calls that go against us, but they happen to all teams.

3. All medicore team's fanbases (we fall into that category right now) beleive they are getting screwed. It justifies losing and denying the real reason...medocrity.
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1. Just as many bad teams benefit from poor officiating as good teams. It just doesn't matter as much because good teams can win even if some calls go against them. No they don't... Bad teams don't get pushed into NC games from a good or bad call...

2. Your eyes and ears are going to see and hear what your mind wants them to. If you want to beleive the refs are screwing us then you are going to notice the non-calls bad calls that go against us, but they happen to all teams. This can go both ways.. You can also see what they want you to see.. Not what really happens..

3. All medicore team's fanbases (we fall into that category right now) beleive they are getting screwed. It justifies losing and denying the real reason...medocrity. Nobody is justifying losses.. I Never said it was just TN that was getting screwed.. It can happen to good teams too.. Look at BAMA vs LSU 09'... They didn't get an explanation for that horrible call.. They got told to shut up or be fined..
 
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Calculon said:
I suppose you have just provided the reason the ref pointed the Alabama players toward the live ball for them to recover it.
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He pointed toward the live ball (or threw the beanbag). He didn't go grab an Alabama player and say "there's the ball." Had all 11 UT players not been running in the opposite direction, one of them might have seen the ref pointing and might have gone after the ball.
 
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bamawriter said:
He pointed toward the live ball (or threw the beanbag). He didn't go grab an Alabama player and say "there's the ball." Had all 11 UT players not been running in the opposite direction, one of them might have seen the ref pointing and might have gone after the ball.
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Yeah I have to agree with you on this one haha... "There it is boy go get it" Fetch! lol
 
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BOBeLITE said:
1. Just as many bad teams benefit from poor officiating as good teams. It just doesn't matter as much because good teams can win even if some calls go against them. No they don't... Bad teams don't get pushed into NC games from a good or bad call... I didn't say they get pushed into nc games. I said they benefit from bad calls, but read it how you want to.

2. Your eyes and ears are going to see and hear what your mind wants them to. If you want to beleive the refs are screwing us then you are going to notice the non-calls bad calls that go against us, but they happen to all teams. This can go both ways.. You can also see what they want you to see.. Not what really happens..
So now the entire media is in on it not just the sec office....you know slive isn't in the tv booth deciding what replays they show right?

3. All medicore team's fanbases (we fall into that category right now) beleive they are getting screwed. It justifies losing and denying the real reason...medocrity. Nobody is justifying losses.. I Never said it was just TN that was getting screwed.. It can happen to good teams too.. Look at BAMA vs LSU 09'... They didn't get an explanation for that horrible call.. They got told to shut up or be fined..
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You didn't say it, and I didn't say you did. Fact: Go to any mediocre fan bases message board and you can find comments about the refs calling games against them. Check out cinn's message board after we beat them.
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windyvol said:
You didn't say it, and I didn't say you did. Fact: Go to any mediocre fan bases message board and you can find comments about the refs calling games against them. Check out cinn's message board after we beat them.
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I'm not saying that fan's don't use penalties for excuses why they lost... Yes.. That is a fact.. It's a valid point also.. But calls can sometimes determine the outcome of the game.. Some calls hurt worse than others.. Some are more obvious than others... I only suggested that it's not crazy to think that someone could want LSU vs BAMA undefeated.. It wouldn't be hard to make that happen.. Crazier things have happened... People can be bought.. It's not a perfect world.. I'm not saying that is is happening.. I'm just mearly suggesting that it makes you wonder whats happening with all the "LUCK" that NC teams have.. Even coaches admit that it takes a lot of "LUCK" to win the NC.. Fulmer has even said the the 98' wasn't the best team he ever coached... He's had others.. Breaks just didn't fall their way.. I sometimes just wonder if any of that "LUCK" is being helped out along the way.. Maybe.. Maybe not.. just makes you wonder.. thats all..
 
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This thread is just sad. There once was a time where UT fans said that they'd find a way to overcome close calls going the other way and win, anyway. Now, not only are you whining that calls in your own games are bad, you are whining that calls in other games are going bad, and you resent that it helps your rivals.

Win your own dang games, first !!
 
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lawgator1 said:
This thread is just sad. There once was a time where UT fans said that they'd find a way to overcome close calls going the other way and win, anyway. Now, not only are you whining that calls in your own games are bad, you are whining that calls in other games are going bad, and you resent that it helps your rivals.

Win your own dang games, first !!
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I don't know what you're talking about.. That doesn't have anything to do with the topic.. It's about what the SEC wants.. Yes it's still football.. And you still have to win.. I only suggested that it would be in the SEC's best interest at this point in the season to have 2 undefeated teams.. and to try and send one of them to the NC.. I'm not saying that the SEC doesn't want TN to win.. It might be TN next year or the year after that they throw the calls against BAMA or FL.. Depends on how much of a shot at the NC they have.. It's not that hard to believe the the SEC can recognize that a 1 or 2 loss team could be better than any team in the nation and not get to play for the NC.. So why not help out their luck a little bit on the way.. That's what I'm suggesting.. It's not in favor of any school.. it's about getting teams back the the NC and MONEY...
 
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BOBeLITE said:
I don't know what you're talking about.. That doesn't have anything to do with the topic.. It's about what the SEC wants.. Yes it's still football.. And you still have to win.. I only suggested that it would be in the SEC's best interest at this point in the season to have 2 undefeated teams.. and to try and send one of them to the NC.. I'm not saying that the SEC doesn't want TN to win.. It might be TN next year or the year after that they throw the calls against BAMA or FL.. Depends on how much of a shot at the NC they have.. It's not that hard to believe the the SEC can recognize that a 1 or 2 loss team could be better than any team in the nation and not get to play for the NC.. So why not help out their luck a little bit on the way.. That's what I'm suggesting.. It's not in favor of any school.. it's about getting teams back the the NC and MONEY...
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You are using officiating as an excuse -- and an incredibly lame one -- to try to take something away from what Alabama has achieved. There's more folks in this thread reaching back to UF championships to try to say the same thing.

Just think your focus should be on recovering your own program, rather than trying to take the shine off of what others are managing to accomplish.
 
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lawgator1 said:
This thread is just sad. There once was a time where UT fans said that they'd find a way to overcome close calls going the other way and win, anyway. Now, not only are you whining that calls in your own games are bad, you are whining that calls in other games are going bad, and you resent that it helps your rivals.

Win your own dang games, first !!
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What would we do Gator without your insight on such matters? It's great you can find the time between chasing ambulances to come in here and kick sand in our faces every day. I just want to say for the record, F.... You and have a bad day.
 
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lawgator1 said:
This thread is just sad. There once was a time where UT fans said that they'd find a way to overcome close calls going the other way and win, anyway. Now, not only are you whining that calls in your own games are bad, you are whining that calls in other games are going bad, and you resent that it helps your rivals.

Win your own dang games, first !!
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What's sad is a gator fan thinking his input on a Vols board means anything.
 
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BOBeLITE said:
I don't know what you're talking about.. That doesn't have anything to do with the topic.. It's about what the SEC wants.. Yes it's still football.. And you still have to win.. I only suggested that it would be in the SEC's best interest at this point in the season to have 2 undefeated teams.. and to try and send one of them to the NC.. I'm not saying that the SEC doesn't want TN to win.. It might be TN next year or the year after that they throw the calls against BAMA or FL.. Depends on how much of a shot at the NC they have.. It's not that hard to believe the the SEC can recognize that a 1 or 2 loss team could be better than any team in the nation and not get to play for the NC.. So why not help out their luck a little bit on the way.. That's what I'm suggesting.. It's not in favor of any school.. it's about getting teams back the the NC and MONEY...
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No one is saying it isn't in their best interest for ala and lsu to remain undefeated and for the winner to go to the nc. That is obvious...
You saying the SEC fixes games so their best teams whomever they may be win is flat out insane.

Seriously drop it.

On second thought keep posting about the conspiracy, or non-conspiracy conspiracy or whatever you view it as. We are all getting a good chuckle out of it.
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lawgator1 said:
You are using officiating as an excuse -- and an incredibly lame one -- to try to take something away from what Alabama has achieved. There's more folks in this thread reaching back to UF championships to try to say the same thing.

Just think your focus should be on recovering your own program, rather than trying to take the shine off of what others are managing to accomplish.
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Nobody is talking about UF and championships now.....
 
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lawgator1 said:
You are using officiating as an excuse -- and an incredibly lame one -- to try to take something away from what Alabama has achieved. There's more folks in this thread reaching back to UF championships to try to say the same thing.

Just think your focus should be on recovering your own program, rather than trying to take the shine off of what others are managing to accomplish.
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Link? Where did I use it as an excuse?? I've never said it's an excuse.. I haven't taken anything away from what FL or Bama have achieved.. They have had some great teams.. I never said the SEC put them there all on their own.. I mearly said that it makes me wonder if the SEC has given teams a little help a long the way.. My point is that I look back the the 90's and see the SEC with several great teams all at the same time.. What did that result in most of the time.. A lot of 1 and 2 loss teams that couldn't play for the NC even though they might have been the better team just with a harder schedule.. Is it out of the question that the SEC recognized that a 1 or 2 loss team isn't going to play for the NC most of the time?? I never said they favor one team over the another.. Programs still have to build and be good.. I never said every game is rigged or anything like that... I just made a suggestion that maybe some of our better teams get a little help a long the way to help get them to the NC... That strategy might even help TN in the long run more than hurt it.. I mean who doesn't want to play in the SEC now?? Almost everyone does.. If anything... the SEC helping teams get to the NC would benefit TN in rebuilding..
 
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windyvol said:
No one is saying it isn't in their best interest for ala and lsu to remain undefeated and for the winner to go to the nc. That is obvious...
You saying the SEC fixes games so their best teams whomever they may be win is flat out insane.

Seriously drop it.

On second thought keep posting about the conspiracy, or non-conspiracy conspiracy or whatever you view it as. We are all getting a good chuckle out of it.
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Where did I say they fix games?? I mearly suggested that they "MIGHT BE" helping out teams along the way.. You are very Naive if you think that college football is perfect and everyone plays fair... It isn't fair.. People cheat.. People Lie... It's a business... It's run like a business.. There are going to be some loyal good people and some bad crooked people also... I never said THIS IS WHATS HAPPENING AND BLA BLA BLA.. I just said it makes you wonder sometimes... that's it.. It's not some big conspiracy theory or anything like that... My statement was merely based upon human greed and how that plays a part...
 
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BOBeLITE said:
Where did I say they fix games?? I mearly suggested that they "MIGHT BE" helping out teams along the way.. You are very Naive if you think that college football is perfect and everyone plays fair... It isn't fair.. People cheat.. People Lie... It's a business... It's run like a business.. There are going to be some loyal good people and some bad crooked people also... I never said THIS IS WHATS HAPPENING AND BLA BLA BLA.. I just said it makes you wonder sometimes... that's it.. It's not some big conspiracy theory or anything like that... My statement was merely based upon human greed and how that plays a part...
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You just said it in your previous post and reply to lawgator. Just because you use words like "may, might, maybe, etc" preceding your not conspiracy, that really is a conspiracy, rant doesn't mean your NOT saying it.
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BOBeLITE said:
Did I say they would need a break Sat??? Have I said they need or have to have a break go their way?? No! My point is that we all put these teams up on some pedestal that we think they are unbeatable... They aren't.. TN does have a chance on Sat.. Not a good chance but they do have one.. My point was that even if we somehow played lights out football.. I don't think the SEC would let it happen.. JMO.. It's not some conspiracy theory or anything.. I'm just basing my opinion upon games from past season that were closer than they should of been and the lesser guy didn't get the breaks his way.. Maybe all the NC teams just have good luck.. Maybe it's blown calls.. Idk.. I won't know.. I'm still going to watch the game at the end of the day.. My point is that it's not really that hard to believe they could want Number 1 vs. Number 2 and if they had to blow a few calls a long way then they would do whatever it took to make it happen.. Not saying they have already.. nor that they will have to... Just saying that it's possible..
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You said even if we beat ala the sec wouldn't let it happen.
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