SEC Divisional Winner, Since Florida Has Confused Things

[jakez4ut]

Every other university effected managed to reschedule. Heck, LSU has a history of rescheduling due to natural disasters.

i'm not saying the can't. i'm saying they won't. and this weekend or Monday is not really an option, neither is moving the SEC title game.

moving the cock tail party would then require a 3rd school, GA to make conessions, and if 2 schools can't get it together, then i certainly don't see 3.

the option that makes the most sense, competitively, is to do it on Nov 19th. and they don't have to make that decision right away. by the time they do make the decision, TN could have lost two, Bama and/or aTm could have lost, so you look at the landscape and say....hmmmmm...what am i really gaining here?

but you and i both know, financially, both schools stand to lose millions from a home game, and that will trump the competitive part, especially when there's really no incentive for them to play it.

could they play it? yeah, but i'd get prepared for them not to.

 

[chargervol]

Charger, I'll give one completely fictional (but realistically possible) example of a case where you would want flexibility the OTHER way:

• Tennessee leads the SEC East, at 6-1 in conference, just Vandy left to play.
• Our only loss is to a Georgia team that lost to Florida, Auburn, and Alabama, so they're 5-3 going into their rivalry game with Georgia Tech. We got them beat no matter how things turn out.
• We beat Florida, and in fact we are Florida's ONLY loss. They have FSU this weekend, and are sitting at 7-1.

So in this scenario, we're the team who need that final game. But something happens the day before or morning of the Vandy game, like a shooter on campus or tornado, or some other catastrophe. The school goes into a period of mourning, and the game is cancelled. With the SEC CG the following weekend, there's no time to reschedule.

See? In a case like this, the 6-1 Vols have beaten the 7-1 Gators head-to-head, and should not be penalized for unavoidably missing one game of the schedule.

I'm not saying that scenario is likely. Certainly not saying it's more likely than a hurricane cancelling a Florida game.

I'm only saying that the SEC should have flexibility in its rule book to adjust to the situation. In a case like that fictional one, the winning % makes more sense. In a case like today's with Florida and LSU, requiring both teams to forfeit the game if they can't find a way to make it up, that makes more sense.

Just some common sense and flexibility, that's not too much to ask for, is it?

Go Vols!

I believe we're on the same track here.
My post was intended for the situation we are currently in. However, the situation you gave, was for the end of year and no opportunity to reschedule.
Your scenario also includes not punishing us because we already hold the tiebreaker over them.
But the opposite is true for the current situation. They will in fact be rewarding Florida, who does not hold the tiebreaker.
Completely different situations and I agree that common sense should decide based on the circumstances.

 

[ReaderVol]

To be fair, Matthew ended up veering and not hitting Miami. Had it been going to, that game would have been cancelled too.

Gainsville isn't on the coast. The UF Campus is about 85 to 100 miles from the coast. Miami would've been maybe 20 miles from the hurricane.
There's only 1 reason this game isn't being played. We all know what it is. The game could be played Sunday or Monday as LSU suggested. UF said no for only 1 reason.

 

[UTK]

Lmao. A 6-1 UF will not go over a 6-2 UT. Seriously. I don't care what the Kyle Tucker says. It won't happen. That would be a HUGE MESS.

Besides. UF isn't going 6-1. Lmao. 4-3. Most likely.

 

[ReaderVol]

What's the estimated economic impact to LSU and Baton Rouge if you gave up a home game against a cupcake and travelled to Gainesville for a make up?...5, 7, 10 million?

SEC has loss income insurance for all schools. There would be no loss for either team.

 

[allvol247]

To gain a little perspective, let's remember. Florida has beaten Kentucky and Vanderbilt in the SEC. That's it.

 

[ReaderVol]

In all fairness I heard a good point this morning on the radio. If they play on Sunday with people coming to town fans etc, you would need police, and medics on hand and there may be devistation in the are who needs those folks more than a football game. I hate Florida as much as anyone else but human life is more important than a football game. Lets just win the next two and not have the conversation. We kind of look weak and scared of our next two foes talking like this. Lets just man up and play ball.

So how does Miami and South Carolina make it work but Gainesville can't?
There is only 1 reason UF has done this.

 

[jakez4ut]

Gainsville isn't on the coast. The UF Campus is about 85 to 100 miles from the coast. Miami would've been maybe 20 miles from the hurricane.
There's only 1 reason this game isn't being played. We all know what it is. The game could be played Sunday or Monday as LSU suggested. UF said no for only 1 reason.

i'm guessing you've never been thru a hurricane or had to evacuate because of one.

real classy. perspective, try it.

 

[Give_All_Vol]

Lmao. A 6-1 UF will not go over a 6-2 UT. Seriously. I don't care what the Kyle Tucker says. It won't happen. That would be a HUGE MESS.

Besides. UF isn't going 6-1. Lmao. 4-3. Most likely.

It would make me so happy after trying this if they went out and lost the next 4 and to Florida St. Would love for them to miss a bowl

 

[reezun]

they can't move the SEC title game. and they won't.

and there is no event booked for 12/10 at the Georgia Dome

 

[McDad]

Let's just see how bad things get in FLA today and see the allocated resources needed to assist.

If UM and FSU can do it without the Staties, surely the ChickenGators can, too.

 

[TrueOrange]

Every other university effected managed to reschedule. Heck, LSU has a history of rescheduling due to natural disasters.

None of the others that were rescheduled lost a home game.


The SEC front offices had to step in during 2005 at UT's behest to get LSU's AD to move that game to Monday, the Thursday before the game. UT had offered to host (LSU declined it) and was ready to forfeit if LSU didn't reschedule (Hamilton stating they would do such "if we felt like it would be unfair to our student-athletes and not safe for our student-athletes."). Tennessee was even willing to go down the day of the game (noting that it made no sense if they were sending people out of Louisiana). LSU officials preferred (/ pushed) for the game to still be that Saturday (or even Sunday) with Hurricane Rita looming over a post-Katrina Louisiana. (LSU's AD Skip Bertman even said before the weekend that the change caused them to face significant logistical challenges. He states their preference to play on Sunday night if not Saturday night, and then noted to the associated press that LSU wasn't going to move the game to another location / hadn't been considering doing so.)




As far as the Arizona State game, though, LSU offering hurricane victims refuge on their campus post-Katrina was the right thing to do and I applaud them for that.

 

[82_VOL_83]

This! What keeps a team from doing this the way the sh***y SEC rule reads??

I think we will see a rules clarification this week from the SEC and it will be the enforcement of "shall".

 

[ReaderVol]

i'm guessing you've never been thru a hurricane or had to evacuate because of one.

real classy. perspective, try it.

Did the Hurricane not get closer to Miami than Gainesville? Yes. Considerably closer than it will get to Gainesville. Are they playing in Miami? Yes.

Will the USC vs UGA game be played? Yes.


Once again the emperor has no clothes. Go play in the corner skippy.

 

[ReaderVol]

I think we will see a rules clarification this week from the SEC and it will be the enforcement of "shall".

Shall trumps May every time. You are correct sir.

 

[newyorkvol]

A little off topic, but I've always wondered why divisional wins aren't a priority over conference losses when there's an unbalanced schedule. Any year, some team could be "punished" by playing the two best teams from the other division. We may very well be 6-0 in the east and 0-2 in cross divisional play against the two best teams in the west.

 

[TrueOrange]

Gainsville isn't on the coast. The UF Campus is about 85 to 100 miles from the coast. Miami would've been maybe 20 miles from the hurricane.
There's only 1 reason this game isn't being played. We all know what it is. The game could be played Sunday or Monday as LSU suggested. UF said no for only 1 reason.

LSU never suggested Monday (the LSU AD even says that it never came up in discussions).

And Sunday or Monday wasn’t going to happen anyways, when no one at the time knew what this storm could end up doing over the weekend, along with the fact that the security Florida uses for its games wouldn’t be around because it had a more important task of tending to people around the state that would be dealing with the aftermath of Hurricane Matthew.

This wasn't some sort of secret "Legion of Doom plan to overtake, catch, and screw over UT in the SEC East race."

 

[utvolpj]

i'm guessing you've never been thru a hurricane or had to evacuate because of one.

real classy. perspective, try it.

Gainesville isn't in any real danger and the sun will be shining there all weekend. It's being used as an excuse

 

[allvol123]

LSU never suggested Monday (the LSU AD even says that it never came up in discussions).

And Sunday or Monday wasn’t going to happen anyways, when no one at the time knew what this storm could end up doing over the weekend, along with the fact that the security Florida uses for its games wouldn’t be around because it had a more important task of tending to people around the state that would be dealing with the aftermath of Hurricane Matthew.

This wasn't some sort of secret "Legion of Doom plan to overtake, catch, and screw over UT in the SEC East race."

How many other Florida teams are not playing their games this weekend?

 

[ReaderVol]

LSU never suggested Monday (the LSU AD even says that it never came up in discussions).

And Sunday or Monday wasn’t going to happen anyways, when no one at the time knew what this storm could end up doing over the weekend, along with the fact that the security Florida uses for its games wouldn’t be around because it had a more important task of tending to people around the state that would be dealing with the aftermath of Hurricane Matthew.

This wasn't some sort of secret "Legion of Doom plan to overtake, catch, and screw over UT in the SEC East race."

I didn't say LSU suggested it but UT played LSU on a Monday, thus I mentioned Monday.
LSU DID in fact suggest Sunday and UF declined.
I'll ask you the exact same question. Why can Miami (much closer to the storm) play and why can USC play but poor UF can't?
The reason is clear, he'll even the media who normally defens UF to the end is calling it what it is.

 

[GoVols876]

6-1 isn't an 8 game schedule.

6-1 with 1 cancelled game is an 8 game schedule, just not a completed schedule.

Unfortunately, the SEC rules do not explicitly say that all 8 games must be played, just that they must have an 8 game schedule which Florida has, even with a cancelled game.

 

[ReaderVol]

Gainesville isn't in any real danger and the sun will be shining there all weekend. It's being used as an excuse

Jake just can't help himself. He has a crush on me. And a strong dislike for facts.

 

[ReaderVol]

i'm not saying the can't. i'm saying they won't. and this weekend or Monday is not really an option, neither is moving the SEC title game.

moving the cock tail party would then require a 3rd school, GA to make conessions, and if 2 schools can't get it together, then i certainly don't see 3.

the option that makes the most sense, competitively, is to do it on Nov 19th. and they don't have to make that decision right away. by the time they do make the decision, TN could have lost two, Bama and/or aTm could have lost, so you look at the landscape and say....hmmmmm...what am i really gaining here?

but you and i both know, financially, both schools stand to lose millions from a home game, and that will trump the competitive part, especially when there's really no incentive for them to play it.

could they play it? yeah, but i'd get prepared for them not to.

Jake do you ever get tired of being wrong? Seriously? Neither school will lose money. The SEC has a loss income insurance policy on all member schools.

 

[VolsRule]

Why didn't the SEC order florida early in the week to play in baton rouge?? they knew the hurricane was coming the whole time.

 

[jakez4ut]

and there is no event booked for 12/10 at the Georgia Dome

doesn't matter. the entire college football world is having it's post season set on the sunday after the game, not to mention the logistics of all the fans that will attend, TV comittments, hotels etc, etc, etc....

could they? sure. will they? highly unlikely imo.