SEC coaching shake up coming?

[VolCalls]

Does Indiana or Kansas have a bigger booster base for basketball than Auburn does now?? That might be a good indicator if Pearl would jump, I would think almost any coach in the SEC (outside of RB) would take the Kansas job if offered. JMO

Indiana and Kansas are both blueblood basketball programs with massive booster and fan bases. Much moreso than Auburn when it comes to hoops.

 

[VolCalls]

Indiana and Kansas are both blueblood basketball programs with massive booster and fan bases. Much moreso than Auburn when it comes to hoops.

To further elaborate how important basketball is in the state of Indiana, Purdue plays second fiddle to IU, and they had 70% of the crowd at the Final Four last year in Phoenix.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

To further elaborate how important basketball is in the state of Indiana, Purdue plays second fiddle to IU, and they had 70% of the crowd at the Final Four last year in Phoenix.

PU might be perceived to play second fiddle to IU, but they have a huge advantage in the head-to-head all time record. Purdue also has more Big 10 championships.

 

[Anti-shunshinepumper]

Being a Blue Blood is more dependent on the totality of your history than what have you done for me lately.

I meant they haven't carried on the tradition like some other Blue Bloods have.
History is being written everyday and every year.
Nobody will ever be able to take away what they done in the past, but their success is far in the past atm.
There are hungry " New Bloods" and they are now fueled by NIL and portal, to make sure they stay irrelevant for the most part. You can only live off the past for so long.

 

[Rgoney]

Don’t think Pearl is going to have an offer to jump to IU. Too much bad history with Pearl and the B10. Only leaves for KU if they guarantee little Pearl a HC gig after Bruce retires. KU cares too much about winning to sign up for that. Unless Auburn hires little Pearl when Bruce leaves for KU, Bruce will be at Auburn until he retires.

Yeah, I have heard the same rumors on multiple shows. Honest question, do you think Auburn would let Pearl Jr have the gig without being proven on any level? I couldn't imagine, but this is 2025 lol

 

[VolCalls]

PU might be perceived to play second fiddle to IU, but they have a huge advantage in the head-to-head all time record. Purdue also has more Big 10 championships.

Yep. I'm talking about fan base and $$.

 

[NighthawkVol]

PU might be perceived to play second fiddle to IU, but they have a huge advantage in the head-to-head all time record. Purdue also has more Big 10 championships.

That’s interesting. Didn’t know that. Obviously, IU has the 5-0 advantage in NCs (and I’m guessing more F4s), so that gives them the bigger historical profile nationally, but Purdue has a sneaky good tradition. The facts you point out are proof of that.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

That’s interesting. Didn’t know that. Obviously, IU has the 5-0 advantage in NCs (and I’m guessing more F4s), so that gives them the bigger historical profile nationally, but Purdue has a sneaky good tradition. The facts you point out are proof of that.

Purdue might also have winning head-to-head records versus EVERY other member of the Big 10. At least versus the 9 other original members. I’m not sure about the 8 schools that have been added.

IU has 5x NCAA Tournament championships. It’s debatable whether or not their first 2 (1940 and 1953) are national championships since the NIT was a bigger tournament at that time.

Basically, Bob Knight is IU’s history and they ran him off for upsetting the wrong snowflakes. His chair toss is legendary. He did that during a game against Purdue. I love his quote about burying him upside down so that his critics can kiss his @$$. They don’t make them like The General anymore. BTW, he’s the reason why UT hired Don Devoe. I wonder how things would have played out had Bob Woodruff hired Knight’s other protégé instead. Coach K.

 

[Zues1]

Purdue might also have winning head-to-head records versus EVERY other member of the Big 10. At least versus the 9 other original members. I’m not sure about the 8 schools that have been added.

IU has 5x NCAA Tournament championships. It’s debatable whether or not their first 2 (1940 and 1953) are national championships since the NIT was a bigger tournament at that time.

Basically, Bob Knight is IU’s history and they ran him off for upsetting the wrong snowflakes. His chair toss is legendary. He did that during a game against Purdue. I love his quote about burying him upside down so that his critics can kiss his @$$. They don’t make them like The General anymore. BTW, he’s the reason why UT hired Don Devoe. I wonder how things would have played out had Bob Woodruff hired Knight’s other protégé instead. Coach K.

I'm a big fan of Knight but the choke of Neil Reed was his final undoing at Indiana.

 

[kckempf]

That’s interesting. Didn’t know that. Obviously, IU has the 5-0 advantage in NCs (and I’m guessing more F4s), so that gives them the bigger historical profile nationally, but Purdue has a sneaky good tradition. The facts you point out are proof of that.

13 of Purdue's 26 conference titles were before WWII, while 3 of Indiana's 22 were. Probably the big reason it's not well known, though with Purdue's recent resurgence they've won more in the past 40 years as well. McCracken and Knight winning multiple national titles raised IU's profile.

 

[kckempf]

I'm a big fan of Knight but the choke of Neil Reed was his final undoing at Indiana.

They should have fired him then but they waited for him to grab a non-athlete student and upbraid him for calling him "Knight" and not "Mister Knight". "Zero-tolerance policy" was a weak response.

 

[walkenvol]

Knight was the Woody Hayes of college basketball - great coaches who couldn’t control their anger issues.

 

[LegionnaireOfTheMiserable]

lol ok "This Decade" ( you really mean 3 years)


2020 - He didn't get a chance to play in the tournament. It was canceled. Can't judge the man there at all as far as post season.
25 win season though.

2021 Covid Year - I'm not counting that year and anyone that does is looking to hate. It's so obvious it was an anomaly for him caused by outside factors I'm not wasting time debating it.
2022 - 26 wins
2023- 22 wins
2024- 23 wins


25, 26, 22, 23= 96/4= 24.0 wins a year average
" this decade"

So in short, all you are really saying is Cal has had two regular seasons that were under par for him (22 wins and 23 wins)
That's not saying much, my man. Like at all.

As far as postseasonp play,
Like I said said, 20' no post season to play and 21 'Covid year. So we can fairly say he didn't do good in the tournament for 3 years /
"this decade".

-Incidentally, If one was to back up past that covid cancelation, he had 2 elite 8's and a sweet 16 in the 3 years prior. ( Go back any farther than that and he's in his hay day)

Judging a man of Cal's coaching accomplishment as harshly as you are on on what boils down to 2 slightly under par regular seasons, and 3 tournament performances where he only made it to 2nd round once, is a bit silly, dude.
Coach Cal has earned more respect than that.
He flames out in the next few years at Auburn and you can say he best days are behind him.
Until the, all you have is your suspicion his best days are behind him.

No, what I’m really saying is every year this decade has been worse than when he did last decade. Look at the amount of mental gymnastics you have to do to defend a 66 year old who was just run out of town on a rail because he can’t beat the Saint Peters and Oaklands of the world. You’re trying to use results from 7 years ago and discounting entire seasons that make your argument look bad. Tells you all you need to know.

 

[LegionnaireOfTheMiserable]

I meant they haven't carried on the tradition like some other Blue Bloods have.
History is being written everyday and every year.
Nobody will ever be able to take away what they done in the past, but their success is far in the past atm.
There are hungry " New Bloods" and they are now fueled by NIL and portal, to make sure they stay irrelevant for the most part. You can only live off the past for so long.

“History is being written every day and every year, except for John Calipari, who I throw out entire seasons and ignore historic failures to die on a hill for.”

 

[VolCalls]

Purdue might also have winning head-to-head records versus EVERY other member of the Big 10. At least versus the 9 other original members. I’m not sure about the 8 schools that have been added.

IU has 5x NCAA Tournament championships. It’s debatable whether or not their first 2 (1940 and 1953) are national championships since the NIT was a bigger tournament at that time.

Basically, Bob Knight is IU’s history and they ran him off for upsetting the wrong snowflakes. His chair toss is legendary. He did that during a game against Purdue. I love his quote about burying him upside down so that his critics can kiss his @$$. They don’t make them like The General anymore. BTW, he’s the reason why UT hired Don Devoe. I wonder how things would have played out had Bob Woodruff hired Knight’s other protégé instead. Coach K.

Branch McCracken might have something to say about that.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

I'm a big fan of Knight but the choke of Neil Reed was his final undoing at Indiana.

I don’t think that his cracking the whip thing would fly today.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

Branch McCracken might have something to say about that.

The NIT was the more prestigious tournament when BM won his 2 NCAATs. Take away Knight and IU isn’t close to the blue bloods (KU, UK, Duke, UNC, UConn, UCLA). They’d be more like a San Francisco, UNLV, Virginia, Marquette, Ohio State, Louisville, Syracuse, or Houston and probably below Georgetown, Villanova, Michigan State, NC State, Florida, etc.

 

[VolCalls]

The NIT was the more prestigious tournament when BM won his 2 NCAATs. Take away Knight and IU isn’t close to the blue bloods (KU, UK, Duke, UNC, UConn, UCLA). They’d be more like a San Francisco, UNLV, Virginia, Marquette, Ohio State, Louisville, Syracuse, or Houston and probably below Georgetown, Villanova, Michigan State, NC State, Florida, etc.

I’m not going to get into a long debate, but if you’re discrediting IU’s pre-Knight championships you also have to discredit UK’s four titles between 1948-1958 and UCLA would also be nothing without John Wooden. Lumping a school like San Francisco, who has done nothing since Bill Russell, in with top ten all-time programs like Louisville and Ohio State (and maybe Houston or Syracuse) is also a reach.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

I’m not going to get into a long debate, but if you’re discrediting IU’s pre-Knight championships you also have to discredit UK’s four titles between 1948-1958 and UCLA would also be nothing without John Wooden. Lumping a school like San Francisco, who has done nothing since Bill Russell, in with top ten all-time programs like Louisville and Ohio State (and maybe Houston or Syracuse) is also a reach.

I didn’t say who’s all time top 10. I said that minus Bob Knight, IU is comparable to a dozen or two other programs.

I also said that IUs 2 early NCAAT championships aren’t similar to recent tournaments. The NIT was a more prestigious event in that era.

 

[Anti-shunshinepumper]

“History is being written every day and every year, except for John Calipari, who I throw out entire seasons and ignore historic failures to die on a hill for.”

Nice try, except Indiana has been mostly bad for an actual decade, not a pretend one like you attempted with Coach Cal.
Actually, they've been like that for over two decades now.
Their fans have had time to have kids, and then those kids have had kids since the time they went to the championship, an Elite Eight, or a Final Four.

Soon, they will be literally telling their grandkids at Christmas dinner about how, in their day, those old Hoosier teams actually made some noise.

 

[Anti-shunshinepumper]

No, what I’m really saying is every year this decade has been worse than when he did last decade. Look at the amount of mental gymnastics you have to do to defend a 66 year old who was just run out of town on a rail because he can’t beat the Saint Peters and Oaklands of the world. You’re trying to use results from 7 years ago and discounting entire seasons that make your argument look bad. Tells you all you need to know.

I'm not trying to necessarily defend coach Cal. I could give two sh!ts about him.
I was just pointing out he's been as successful as Pearl has ( definitely in the post season) up until this year when he went to another new school.
Cal's problem is he has not been able to adjust to this NIL and the Portal era. Which is relatively recent.
He always got his his edge from recruiting.
Maybe he doesn't have any success at Arkansas. Maybe his best days are behind him and he can't hack it in this new era.
I wouldn't count on it, though. He's got something to prove again and with guy's like Cal that's what they need. He's got a lot of guy's coming back and already has two 5 star recruit in Meelek Thomas and Darius Acuff.
Don't be surprised if Arkansas is good next year.

 

[LegionnaireOfTheMiserable]

Nice try, except Indiana has been mostly bad for an actual decade, not a pretend one like you attempted with Coach Cal.
Actually, they've been like that for over two decades now.
Their fans have had time to have kids, and then those kids have had kids since the time they went to the championship, an Elite Eight, or a Final Four.

Soon, they will be literally telling their grandkids at Christmas dinner about how, in their day, those old Hoosier teams actually made some noise.

I didn’t know the 2020s were a pretend decade. For someone who isn’t trying to defend John Calipari, you’re doing some tremendous mental gymnastics in defense of John Calipari.

 

[Anti-shunshinepumper]

I didn’t know the 2020s were a pretend decade. For someone who isn’t trying to defend John Calipari, you’re doing some tremendous mental gymnastics in defense of John Calipari.

Dude, I'm not going to completely rehash what I have already explained.
The bullet points were 2020 post season was completely canceled and his 25 win season lost because of a deadly virus that killed millions of people (but I guess somehow that was Cal's fault) The following year of 21 was a still just a little screwed up from it to put it midly.
If you want to take that and the the other 3 years of this decade and pretend it's even close to a decade of evidence than by all means knock yourself out. I'll stick with Cal had a bad 3 year post season stretch that ended up getting him canned from a school with a delusional fanbase that expects to win a Natty every year.
The ultimate success of Coach Cal actually matters to me not.

 

[LegionnaireOfTheMiserable]

Dude, I'm not going to completely rehash what I have already explained.
The bullet points were 2020 post season was completely canceled and his 25 win season lost because of a deadly virus that killed millions of people (but I guess somehow that was Cal's fault) The following year of 21 was a still just a little screwed up from it to put it midly.
If you want to take that and the the other 3 years of this decade and pretend it's even close to a decade of evidence than by all means knock yourself out. I'll stick with Cal had a bad 3 year post season stretch that ended up getting him canned from a school with a delusional fanbase that expects to win a Natty every year.
The ultimate success of Coach Cal actually matters to me not.

When someone says “this decade,” what does that mean to you?

 

[VolCalls]

I didn’t say who’s all time top 10. I said that minus Bob Knight, IU is comparable to a dozen or two other programs.

I also said that IUs 2 early NCAAT championships aren’t similar to recent tournaments. The NIT was a more prestigious event in that era.

I know, I did. Louisville and Ohio State are top ten all time programs and Houston & Syracuse are top 15. San Fran isn’t even in the stratosphere.