SEC Coaching Grades

[jbr82]

Who has McElwain beat on the field that he has proven to be a good coach? Winning a down east isn't that great of an accomplishment!!!

CBJ couldn't do it. The goal is getting to ATL. Can't help how good the division is. SIGH SMH

 

[chargervol]

:hi:

In the end, winning or losing it doesn't change the fact it wasn't very good.
For the point that was attempted to be made that I quoted, it wasn't relevant anyway.

No, it wasn't good.
But the point could be made for or against both Jones and Mac.
UF had a slight talent advantage 2 seasons ago, they won. Vice versa last year.
Mac did win the division, but we probably do with even normal amounts of injuries.
Neither is having a great recruiting yr and that's with UF winning the division 2 straight and having UF as the home state.

So if you think Mac is better, I wouldn't argue with you. But I also wouldn't argue with anyone that disagrees.

 

[81Orange]

What do you think of CBJ's B+ rating?

This looks wrong. UF gets an easier west scheduled then we do. His recruiting is poor. I don't see a B for him. I have a CBJ fan but I don't see a B for him. C+ is the best I can give him for the past 3 years combined. If we were in the west our record would be worse. I do think he will do better with better position coaches. Can't wait to see what happens after signing.

 

[Dudleys87]

And to think....we beat APPY by pure luck. Hurd happen to be standing at the right place and reacted at the right time. That was another coached unprepared game.

Team 120 looked softer compared to last yr imo. Can't help but think Lawson was a main reason they were tougher in 2015

Imagine the meltdown if this game were scheduled before or after the sc game...

 

[Dudleys87]

Who has McElwain beat on the field that he has proven to be a good coach? Winning a down east isn't that great of an accomplishment!!!

Down or not it's more than Jones has done.


If not for the OC crapping the bed no discredit to Shoop Florida beats UT like a drum.

 

[Dudleys87]

This looks wrong. UF gets an easier west scheduled then we do. His recruiting is poor. I don't see a B for him. I have a CBJ fan but I don't see a B for him. C+ is the best I can give him for the past 3 years combined. If we were in the west our record would be worse. I do think he will do better with better position coaches. Can't wait to see what happens after signing.

Easier schedule sure but do they not get LSU more often then not?


By no means am I comparing Bama to LSU but they aren't anywhere close to a push over

 

[hendersonvillevol]

Butch Jones is a good coach you people kill me have you forgot what mess he took over and how bad we where, get off his back because we will be back it just takes time

 

[sjt18]

The second half of the Florida game is one of the reasons I think he can get it done.

I guess the argument against that besides the bad losses is that the 2nd half was only necessary because of the 1st half. UT was the better team and should not have needed the heroics.

 

[sjt18]

How many conference games should he have won with that loaded roster he had his first two seasons??

Two more than he did.

You seem to have all the answers and could have done a much better job considering how much you complain and criticize on a daily basis. Also, four of those losses are against Bama. Other than a few great performances by Chad Kelly, who has had great success against them? I know that you believe that UT should beat Bama on a regular basis but facts don't support your views.

Take Bama out of the equation... and he still lost 8 games so far that rightly should have been wins and has only managed 1 upset win.

And fwiw, the Bama losses weren't why he didn't win the East either of the past two years. Had he beaten UF in '15 then UT goes to ATL. Had he beaten the two worst teams in the SEC in '16... then UT goes to ATL.

I know you'd rather burn that straw man down... but Jones is well short of beating Bama on a regular basis. He's 0'fer against Muschamp and 2-2 vs Vandy.

 

[sjt18]

Butch Jones is a good coach you people kill me have you forgot what mess he took over and how bad we where, get off his back because we will be back it just takes time

He has done a good job with improving the roster. But the game day coaching simply hasn't been at the level needed to go from where UT is to championship competition.

How much time? He's had 4 years. The last two weren't subpar because of where the program was when he took over. He's had the best roster in the East the past two years and failed to win a VERY weak East because of failures on game day.

He should get max credit for rebuilding the roster but that very obviously has not translated into winning consistently on Saturdays.

Jones probably isn't as bad as Ron Zook but there's a parallel. Zook was very good at building a talented roster. He just couldn't win with it. Jones looks to be doing the same thing.

UF fired Zook and brought in a great game day coach. It paid off. The problem with UT not doing the same is that eventually recruits stop listening if a coach doesn't get it done on game day.

 

[GAVol]

Butch is better than Ron friggin Zook. That guy won about 7 games a year at Florida. That's like winning 3 at Vandy.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

He has done a good job with improving the roster. But the game day coaching simply hasn't been at the level needed to go from where UT is to championship competition.

How much time? He's had 4 years. The last two weren't subpar because of where the program was when he took over. He's had the best roster in the East the past two years and failed to win a VERY weak East because of failures on game day.

He should get max credit for rebuilding the roster but that very obviously has not translated into winning consistently on Saturdays.

Jones probably isn't as bad as Ron Zook but there's a parallel. Zook was very good at building a talented roster. He just couldn't win with it. Jones looks to be doing the same thing.

UF fired Zook and brought in a great game day coach. It paid off. The problem with UT not doing the same is that eventually recruits stop listening if a coach doesn't get it done on game day.

There's no parallel. Zook inherited a Top 5 team and completely blew it. 2 years after Zook was fired, UF won a national title (thanks in part to a blown call in Knoxville with Zook's players). He has proved at 2 stops that he is a F- coach. Even the most irrational people do not believe Butch is a F- coach.

 

[k-town_king]

Its funny that one of Worley and Dooley's biggest supporters is so critical of Butch and Dobbs.

 

[Iam4utalways]

I guess the argument against that besides the bad losses is that the 2nd half was only necessary because of the 1st half. UT was the better team and should not have needed the heroics.

120 was a roller coaster. Ups and downs mostly brought on due to our own mistakes. Sure there were times we got out coached and there were times we got out played but typically it was a matter of us getting in our own way due to errors or just poor judgement on the field.

121 can improve just by not dropping the ball. I don't expect perfection, but the lack of focus when it came to our players with the ball in hand or about to be in hand was bad.

F for ball security.
F for sense of urgency
A for effort
D for penalties
F for injuries
A for die hard attitude.

For the talent we had, the season was a D at best and that's grading the Vandy loss on the curve.

Release the Beast!

 

[sjt18]

Butch is better than Ron friggin Zook. That guy won about 7 games a year at Florida. That's like winning 3 at Vandy.

There's still a parallel even if they differ by degrees. Zook built a championship roster but couldn't win a championship. Jones did the same.

 

[sjt18]

There's no parallel. Zook inherited a Top 5 team and completely blew it. 2 years after Zook was fired, UF won a national title (thanks in part to a blown call in Knoxville with Zook's players). He has proved at 2 stops that he is a F- coach. Even the most irrational people do not believe Butch is a F- coach.

Oh, it is "rational" to believe that a "B+" coach can't beat Muschamp and lost to the two worst teams in the SEC to blow a chance to go to the CG or Sugar Bowl?

There IS a parallel. I even qualified it by saying that Jones wasn't as bad as Zook.

The parallel is this: Both were able to build championship rosters. Neither won a championship with it.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Other than Saban who would you rather have than Butch from that list? I am not sure there is another one, Maybe Dan Mullen for me but he still has underachieved outside of the Dak Prescott years.

I would rather have McElwain, Mullen, Freeze or Bielema. All of those have proven they can win big time games against top competition.

 

[sjt18]

Its funny that one of Worley and Dooley's biggest supporters is so critical of Butch and Dobbs.

Worley got abused through no fault of his own.

I've admitted MANY times that I was wrong to argue against criticisms of Dooley... just like you all are wrong now.

I love Dobbs. Dobbs is not a great passer. I wish he could figure it out. I wish someone could. But no one has.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Oh, it is "rational" to believe that a "B+" coach can't beat Muschamp and lost to the two worst teams in the SEC to blow a chance to go to the CG or Sugar Bowl?

There IS a parallel. I even qualified it by saying that Jones wasn't as bad as Zook.

The parallel is this: Both were able to build championship rosters. Neither won a championship with it.

Not necessarily disagreeing with you but Butch didnt lose to the worst team in the SEC, Missouri.

 

[sjt18]

120 was a roller coaster. Ups and downs mostly brought on due to our own mistakes. Sure there were times we got out coached and there were times we got out played but typically it was a matter of us getting in our own way due to errors or just poor judgement on the field.

If it were a one year evaluation then I could buy that. It isn't. It is patterns of performance from Jones. It is repeated things like excessive injuries, attrition, bad game management, etc.

The funny thing is that if the administration fires Jones next year... the people throwing stones at me know will be parroting what I'm saying. We've seen it before.

121 can improve just by not dropping the ball. I don't expect perfection, but the lack of focus when it came to our players with the ball in hand or about to be in hand was bad.

Why? Why in year 4 does a team suddenly not have discipline and focus? It wasn't just dropping the ball but mistakes across the board.

Jones' defenders assured us that we just needed to be patient enough for him to show us what he could do in year 3... errr 4. Now... well maybe some day.

You seem to be pretty reasonable on these things but many just want to move bar lower hoping Jones will some day jump it.

F for ball security.
F for sense of urgency
A for effort
D for penalties
F for injuries
A for die hard attitude.

For the talent we had, the season was a D at best and that's grading the Vandy loss on the curve.

Release the Beast!

Agree for the most part... but this isn't what a "B+" coach delivers in his 4th year with a roster full of HIS players.

 

[sjt18]

Not necessarily disagreeing with you but Butch didnt lose to the worst team in the SEC, Missouri.

IMHO, MU had more talent on the field than USCe and probably Vandy. Their problems go deeper.

 

[BeecherVol]

No, it wasn't good.
But the point could be made for or against both Jones and Mac.
UF had a slight talent advantage 2 seasons ago, they won. Vice versa last year.
Mac did win the division, but we probably do with even normal amounts of injuries.
Neither is having a great recruiting yr and that's with UF winning the division 2 straight and having UF as the home state.

So if you think Mac is better, I wouldn't argue with you. But I also wouldn't argue with anyone that disagrees.

He picked a poor hill to try and prove that. I'm not sure what argument that you could make that disproves it. Is it a huge gap? Not to this point, no. But I'm not sure what you can pull that makes an argument for Jones.

 

[Iam4utalways]

If it were a one year evaluation then I could buy that. It isn't. It is patterns of performance from Jones. It is repeated things like excessive injuries, attrition, bad game management, etc.

The funny thing is that if the administration fires Jones next year... the people throwing stones at me know will be parroting what I'm saying. We've seen it before.

Why? Why in year 4 does a team suddenly not have discipline and focus? It wasn't just dropping the ball but mistakes across the board.

Jones' defenders assured us that we just needed to be patient enough for him to show us what he could do in year 3... errr 4. Now... well maybe some day.

You seem to be pretty reasonable on these things but many just want to move bar lower hoping Jones will some day jump it.



Agree for the most part... but this isn't what a "B+" coach delivers in his 4th year with a roster full of HIS players.

Practice like you play didn't apply to 120. We practiced way better than we played.

If a coach puts together a winning game plan that the team has enough talent to execute but then goes and lays an egg due to mental mistakes that never shows up in practice but only games is a sign that the team lacks an edge or that killer instinct.

Rock will fix that.

Release the Beast!

 

[JonGrudensAgent]

Butch Jones is a good coach you people kill me have you forgot what mess he took over and how bad we where, get off his back because we will be back it just takes time

Take a deep breath and use some ellipses or something.

 

[JonGrudensAgent]

Sumlin and Jones probably did less with more than any coaches in this league the past season.

Anything over a C for them has to be questioned IMO.