SEC Coaching Grades

[johnrlansford]

A down year at Bama is going 14-1 and losing in the national title game. Hard to believe the gap between Tennessee and Bama is absolutely cavernous right now.

Its not just Tennessee its the entire SEC outside of Bama, let's get real!!

 

[johnrlansford]

Zook was 6-2, 6-2, 4-4 in the three years that he was at Florida. The comparison is valid, and percentage-wise, Zook is technically better at .67 than CBJ's .44 conference win percentage.

Zook didn't walk into the disaster that Butch did, give me a break that isn't a valid comparison at all.

 

[KBVol]

Considering it was the 2nd best record in the SEC overall, Yes! Saban has a A+ second best deserves atleast a B to B+. It may not be to what many think is the "Tennessee Standard" but is far better than we have seen under the 2 previous coaches and is moving in the right direction not down the drain like many on here seem to think!

In other words, at least he's better than Kiffin and Dooley who were a combined 21-27 in their 4 years here, which was arguably the worst 4 year stretch in the history of Volunteer football. Yay!

As far as moving in the direction, yes, the record has steadily improved and I'm very happy for that, relatively speaking. However, based on our downturn in recruiting (24th, 7th, 4th, 14th, 17th) there are storm clouds gathering on the horizon.

 

[BeardedVol]

Considering it was the 2nd best record in the SEC overall...

2nd Best overall? That would be Florida at 6-2. Then comes Auburn and LSU at 5-3, then right smack in the middle of mediocre town, we shared the 4th spot with Kentucky, Georgia and TA&M. That's only a "B" in the land of participation trophies.

Which having a three way tie for second place in the SECe division, with a record of 4-4, pretty much reiterates how bad the SECe was this year, with every team except for Florida being at .500 or below. Yet would shouldn't have expected CBJ to be able to take the division?

It may not be to what many think is the "Tennessee Standard" but is far better than we have seen under the 2 previous coaches and is moving in the right direction not down the drain like many on here seem to think!

It's time to move on from Dooley. Setting the bar at "well he's better than Dooley" is doing nothing for the return of Tennessee football. I glad Butch Jones was able to recover somewhat from Dooley's failures, but his record at UT speaks for itself 14-18 in conference play, and expecting him to do more in 2017 with less than he had in 2016 just isn't logical given what we've seen the last four seasons.

 

[KBVol]

Its not just Tennessee its the entire SEC outside of Bama, let's get real!!

Only team I give a damn about closing the gap with Alabama is Tennessee. The fact that Georgia or Arkansas or MissSt or Florida is far behind Bama means nothing to me, I want my team, Tennessee to close the gap and in fact, at some point, beat Alabama.....yet, that's not happening, we're falling further behind, the gap is growing.

 

[volfannbama]

CBJ gets C for corny. OKGs, dude Just embarrasing. Hopefully noone heard him say that

 

[johnrlansford]

2nd Best overall? That would be Florida at 6-2. Then comes Auburn and LSU at 5-3, then right smack in the middle of mediocre town, we shared the 4th spot with Kentucky, Georgia and TA&M. That's only a "B" in the land of participation trophies.

Which having a three way tie for second place in the SECe division, with a record of 4-4, pretty much reiterates how bad the SECe was this year, with every team except for Florida being at .500 or below. Yet would shouldn't have expected CBJ to be able to take the division?



It's time to move on from Dooley. Setting the bar at "well he's better than Dooley" is doing nothing for the return of Tennessee football. I glad Butch Jones was able to recover somewhat from Dooley's failures, but his record at UT speaks for itself 14-18 in conference play, and expecting him to do more in 2017 with less than he had in 2016 just isn't logical given what we've seen the last four seasons.

Overall Record

 

[johnrlansford]

Only team I give a damn about closing the gap with Alabama is Tennessee. The fact that Georgia or Arkansas or MissSt or Florida is far behind Bama means nothing to me, I want my team, Tennessee to close the gap and in fact, at some point, beat Alabama.....yet, that's not happening, we're falling further behind, the gap is growing.

I completely agree but obviously we have look at it in context. The gap is growing n the entire SEC. we are still moving up in the pecking order!

 

[BeardedVol]

Overall Record

I'm not sure if barely skirting by App State, and Ohio help your argument very much.Va Tech was a decent win I guess. We did actually play 4 quarters against TN Tech so....

But I'll, bite, you'd be fine if CBJ never had a higher conference record than 5-3 as long as his overall record was 10-3 after a bowl win?

 

[johnrlansford]

I'm not sure if barely skirting by App State, and Ohio help your argument very much.Va Tech was a decent win I guess. We did actually play 4 quarters against TN Tech so....

But I'll, bite, you'd be fine if CBJ never had a higher conference record than 5-3 as long as his overall record was 10-3 after a bowl win?

I didn't say that, I said his record is 2 second best in a conference that is a one team race, We can't measure everythign to Bama. We have to Build from year to year and we have seen improvements in the overall record.

So you'll never be happy if we aren't 8-0 in the SEC? We have a lot to build on and if Butch doesn't show some strides at Building a Championship level program over the next 2 years then I see us making a change but i would bet we are stuck with Butch for atleast 2 more years regardless of his record.

Sometimes we need to step back and remember where we came from and see where we are moving towards the ship hasn't quit moving forward yet. when it does the captain will go down with the ship. Until then look at the improvements and work to get better. We aren't on a sinking ship like many want to imply on here.

 

[Titan05]

Freeze was -21 to Vandy and -35 against Mississippi State! Some people only see what they want to see!!!:thud:

Those were betting point spreads not score differentials. Sorry if that confused you.

 

[KBVol]

I completely agree but obviously we have look at it in context. The gap is growing n the entire SEC. we are still moving up in the pecking order!

I don't think we're moving up given what happened on the field in 2016 and with our last 2 recruiting classes, which have fallen off considerably from the 2014 and 2015 classes......we're falling further behind, not catching up.

 

[BeardedVol]

I didn't say that, I said his record is 2 second best in a conference that is a one team race, We can't measure everythign to Bama. We have to Build from year to year and we have seen improvements in the overall record.

When did I measure anything against Alabama? While it's nice to win (and hopefully not struggle) against our OOC opponents, none of those games impact conference championships. CBJ's best record so for is 5-3 in 2015, and now we are back to 4-4, in what was a historically down year for the SECe. Not being able to clinch the SECe is not an overall improvement given the state of the division

So you'll never be happy if we aren't 8-0 in the SEC? We have a lot to build on and if Butch doesn't show some strides at Building a Championship level program over the next 2 years then I see us making a change but i would bet we are stuck with Butch for atleast 2 more years regardless of his record.

You've literally just typed out a straw man argument. I've not once proposed that I wouldn't be happy unless we had 8 conference wins, or that I expected CBJ to pull off 8 Conference wins in 2016. The reality of CBJs record is that he is 14-18 in conference play at UT. Even if you throw out his first year because of Dooley, then he is still 12-12, the very definition of a mediocre performance. Do you think that any of our rivials have the mindset of "he should be given 2 more years regardless of his record?"

Sometimes we need to step back and remember where we came from and see where we are moving towards the ship hasn't quit moving forward yet. when it does the captain will go down with the ship. Until then look at the improvements and work to get better. We aren't on a sinking ship like many want to imply on here.

We are four seasons removed from Derek Dooley, and Butch Jones has had plenty of opportunities to quiet naysayers like me, but unfortunately, and I say that because when he was hired I wanted nothing more than for him to succeed, he's proven incapable of succeeding in the SEC.

 

[volfannbama]

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You seen the picture with the two dogs chained up and they are going at each other barking cause they cant reach each other, then the chain breaks and they stop and walk away?lol

 

[Behr]

You seen the picture with the two dogs chained up and they are going at each other barking cause they cant reach each other, then the chain breaks and they stop and walk away?lol

Lol, yes. Cracked me up the first time I saw it. I ran across this one today looking for something else.

Have you ever noticed that when someone is responding to certain posters, their first sentence is along the lines of "that's not what I said"........lol.

 

[johnrlansford]

I don't think we're moving up given what happened on the field in 2016 and with our last 2 recruiting classes, which have fallen off considerably from the 2014 and 2015 classes......we're falling further behind, not catching up.

In context of the rest of the SEC we aren't that far behind outside of Bama.

Realistically where did you expect us to be in year 4 after Butch took over? Serious question I am trying to understand your expectations coming into a new coach, And also if we fired Butch after next year what would be your realistic expectations of the new coach in 4 years?

All feel free to share opinion but not an arguement just realistic expectations for Butch in year 4 and a new coach if hired this year and 4 more years?

 

[volfannbama]

In context of the rest of the SEC we aren't that far behind outside of Bama.

Realistically where did you expect us to be in year 4 after Butch took over? Serious question I am trying to understand your expectations coming into a new coach, And also if we fired Butch after next year what would be your realistic expectations of the new coach in 4 years?

All feel free to share opinion but not an arguement just realistic expectations for Butch in year 4 and a new coach if hired this year and 4 more years?

We are not that far behind Bama? Lol did we watch the same game? Dude we are nowhere close to Alabama, nowhere.

But to be far, we dont have to be. We need to focus on running through are division. We cant pull out wins agaisnt the top teams and lose to the bottom guys. We have to figure out how to manage the season, develop talent. Then if we can catch Bama on a bad night in the SECCG we will be fine. Sadly, we dont have the coaching staff to do that.

 

[ice]

4 full recruiting classes, has completely turned the roster over and then some, has had 2 top 10 classes and we still need to wait for him to build depth? Why?

He's done an outstanding job rebuilding the roster and all things off the field (APR, high school coach relationships, PR, selling the brand, getting former players back involved, etc), and he's done a decent job improving the record.....but he's also lost 5-6 games he had no business losing and is clearly a substandard game day coach.

The overall job he's done to date in some phases deserves much praise and in other phases much criticism. He's not yet won so much as a division title in a bad SEC East and, imo, doesn't deserve a B+, especially if he's getting a higher grade than guys like Sumlin, Mullen, Freeze and Malzahn and losing to teams like SCar and Vandy and squeezing by a bad team like App State. I think he deserves a B+ or A- for his off the field work and more like a C or C- for his game day accomplishments. Overall, probably more like a C+ or so.

Your rating was the same as mine. C+
TN has been recruiting too many 3 star players. We will never make it to the top doing that. Having many of your best players out on defense does make a difference. Our second string has been getting very little playing time because of our struggles.

 

[wildorange]

Your rating was the same as mine. C+
TN has been recruiting too many 3 star players. We will never make it to the top doing that. Having many of your best players out on defense does make a difference. Our second string has been getting very little playing time because of our struggles.

Our entire 2nd string had to play this past year due to injuries. Many players have gotten playing time on defense, we have many folks with that have played several minutes coming back. I don't see many backups that didn't play last year. GBO!!!

 

[Stacks Robinson]

Butch with a B+ is a joke...not a Butch hater and I've given him benefit of the doubt for 4 years now because of the talent he's able to reel in, but he's a worse play caller than DD

 

[KBVol]

Our entire 2nd string had to play this past year due to injuries. Many players have gotten playing time on defense, we have many folks with that have played several minutes coming back. I don't see many backups that didn't play last year. GBO!!!

That's not remotely true. "Entire second string had to play this past year due to injuries" is provably false, on both sides of the ball.