SDS: Pruitt is coaching for his job this weekend

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orangesoda said:
Yeah that has worked well the last 12 years!! If they would have spent the money on a proven guy....it still would have been cheaper than the last 3 jokers we wasted money on
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I think that is the point that some are making. We tried to hire a “proven” coach, none of them wanted to come here
 
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bagods said:
I think that is the point that some are making. We tried to hire a “proven” coach, none of them wanted to come here
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We "tried" to hire a proven coach and offered "up-and-coming coordinator" money; that doesn't work.
 
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VolFreakJosh said:
That’s a load of BS.

Good coaches and I mean actual good coaches, doesn’t need 5-7 years to rebuild a program up to a respectable level.

Pruitt is 0-9 against the likes of Florida, Bama, and Georgia which none of those games have been relatively close.

Getting blown out by Kentucky and Arkansas, not having a serviceable QB ready in year 3 is a sign of piss poor development.

16 double-digit losses, only three of his losses have come in the single digits. That’s embarrassing to hang your hat on.
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Buddy, do you every have anything new to say, we been over this ad nauseam. Being embarrassed and making irrational decisions is not going to make things better, it will only get worse. We have beak the cycle.
 
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rikberry31 said:
Buddy, do you every have anything new to say, we been over this ad nauseam. Being embarrassed and making irrational decisions is not going to make things better, it will only get worse. We have beak the cycle.
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By "break the cycle" you mean retain a HC who in his third year, goes 3-7, and has an overall losing record?

How does that actually result in the program returning to actually winning?
 
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BeardedVol said:
So tell us what those schools did differently than UT to land top coaches; I even made it easy for you and gave you links.
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Let me ask you, three years ago, who would we have thrown money at? Believe they would have shelled out for Mullen, we weren’t going to get him.
 
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DeerPark12 said:
"Cheap hires" is an interesting take. Yes, UT ended up down its list the last three times they hired a coach. But you're pretending UT set out in those searches to spend cheap and that's just not the case.

In the search that gave us Derek Dooley, UT was set to double Kyle Wittingham's salary at Utah, would have put him in the top 10 in salary in the country. He said no. As did several other candidates that were offered top 10 salaries in the country.

In the search that brought us Butch Jones, Charlie Strong (who was the hottest name in CFB and would be hired by Texas a year later) agreed in principle to a contract that would have made him the 5th-highest paid coach in the country. He backed out when he discovered the academic problems that Dooley left.

In the search that brought us Pruitt, Dan Mullen had all but agreed to take the job at a higher salary than he took at Florida, but wanted to be in Gainesville. Scott Frost turned down top 5 money to go to make less money at Nebraska.

UT is willing to spend the money, but they have to find someone willing to take it. They haven't set out on a search in the last 15 years with the objective of "going cheap." But they've hired who they've hired.
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It's kind of analogous to this year's putrid football team. You are what your record shows. UT may not have "sought out" to go cheap. But they did. Three times in a row. And they have accompanying results to go along with it. At the end of the day, you are what you are. UT is cheap and the fanbase at large has a giant mistrust about their "desire to win". There are more names than Wittingham, Strong, and Mullen.

It honestly sounds like a poor excuse for consistently bad results for 13 years now with the exception or 2015 and 2016. We have more resources than almost every program in the country, generate the highest revenue in the SEC, and yet have averaged exactly 6 wins over 13 seasons. Meanwhile, UT has raked in the cash by consistently taking advantage of the greatest fanbase in the country.
 
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Let's think about it another way. Arkansas was winless in the SEC for 2 years prior to Pittman and they win the same amount as Pruitt in year 3. Ole Miss was on sanctions under Matt Luke with scholly reductions and Kiffin goes in year one and wins more SEC games than Pruitt in year 3.
 
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BeardedVol said:
By "break the cycle" you mean retain a HC who in his third year, goes 3-7, and has an overall losing record?

How does that actually result in the program returning to actually winning?
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If all the coaches got fired for having a disappointing season 11 would be fire in the SEC, only Nick, Jimbo, and Drink would be left. Besides This season had was obviously not normal and can’t be judged as such.
 
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rikberry31 said:
If all the coaches got fired for having a disappointing season 11 would be fire in the SEC, only Nick, Jimbo, and Drink would be left. Besides This season had was obviously not normal and can’t be judged as such.
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He doesn't just have "a disappointing season". His entire time at UT has been at it's best, mediocre, and disastrous at its worst. You've yet to show any rationale as to why Pruitt is suddenly going to strike success in his 4th season, given what we have seen from him in the previous 3.
 
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BeardedVol said:
He doesn't just have "a disappointing season". His entire time at UT has been at it's best, mediocre, and disastrous at its worst. You've yet to show any rationale as to why Pruitt is suddenly going to strike success in his 4th season, given what we have seen from him in the previous 3.
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This season is not as disappointing as 1988. Do you remember that one? In 1989 we went 11-1 and we a loss to Alabama away from being National Champions.
 
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rikberry31 said:
This season is not as disappointing as 1988. Do you remember that one? In 1989 we went 11-1 and we a loss to Alabama away from being National Champions.
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Did you even watch the 1988 season or bother Googling it? Half of our losses were to nationally ranked numbers 12, 9, and 4, with only 3 loses of 20 points or greater. Every team we lost to that year had an 8-4 or better record

Do you need to be reminded of how many 20+ point losses we have this year, and the fact that we lost to a bad Kentucky at home, and an Arkansas with a first time head coach in his first year?

The only similarity between 1988 and 2020 are Jeff Francis' and JG's QB stats.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Did you even watch the 1988 season or bother Googling it? Half of our losses were to nationally ranked numbers 12, 9, and 4, with only 3 loses of 20 points or greater. Every team we lost to that year had an 8-4 or better record

Do you need to be reminded of how many 20+ point losses we have this year, and the fact that we lost to a bad Kentucky at home, and an Arkansas with a first time head coach in his first year?

The only similarity between 1988 and 2020 is that Jeff Francis' and JG's QB stats.
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I watched and I was a lot more disappointed then. We were good the year before and there was a feeling that CJM was turning it around and then 1988 happened...
 
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Nuctech777 said:
So you’re saying the hot water we are in is not really that hot, and the talk of firing Pruitt for cause is conjecture?
I’m not really sold on Freeze. He reminds me of Pearl. I loved having Pearl as a coach and those games were so much fun, but trouble seems to follow him around.
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Correct. Based on what is being investigated, there's zero chance he would be fired for cause. They're investigating how meals and expenses on a recruiting trip were paid for. Gray is already cleared, I believe Maurer is as well.
 
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BeardedVol said:
And what did A&M and Florida do to land Jimbo and Mullen?
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A&M was right place, right time for Jimbo. He was tired of having to fight the FSU administration every time he wanted something. He was promised facility upgrades and FSU renovated the donor boxes instead. A&M had a "Yes" from Jimbo before they fired Sumlin.

Florida landed Mullen because Florida was his dream job. UT was prepared to pay him about $900k more than he ultimately signed with Florida for.
 
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DeerPark12 said:
A&M was right place, right time for Jimbo. He was tired of having to fight the FSU administration every time he wanted something. He was promised facility upgrades and FSU renovated the donor boxes instead. A&M had a "Yes" from Jimbo before they fired Sumlin.

Florida landed Mullen because Florida was his dream job. UT was prepared to pay him about $900k more than he ultimately signed with Florida for.
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and we are trash. simple
 
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DeerPark12 said:
Florida landed Mullen because Florida was his dream job. UT was prepared to pay him about $900k more than he ultimately signed with Florida for.
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And what did we offer him before Florida came in with the better offer?

Why would Florida be his "dream job"? His only connection to the school was his time as an assistant on Meyer's staff.
 
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Vols2DaWall said:
It's kind of analogous to this year's putrid football team. You are what your record shows. UT may not have "sought out" to go cheap. But they did. Three times in a row. And they have accompanying results to go along with it. At the end of the day, you are what you are. UT is cheap and the fanbase at large has a giant mistrust about their "desire to win". There are more names than Wittingham, Strong, and Mullen.

It honestly sounds like a poor excuse for consistently bad results for 13 years now with the exception or 2015 and 2016. We have more resources than almost every program in the country, generate the highest revenue in the SEC, and yet have averaged exactly 6 wins over 13 seasons. Meanwhile, UT has raked in the cash by consistently taking advantage of the greatest fanbase in the country.
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OK, so what would you have done in those situations? When you have the money to spend, let people know that you'll spend it on them and they still say no? You can't force someone to take a football coaching job at gun point. When you offer Dan Mullen, Scott Frost and Mike Gundy almost a million dollars more than the salaries they ended up taking, how can you say UT is being cheap?

It's like breaking up with a wife and looking for another one. My neighbor's wife is attractive and I make more money than he does. My house is nicer. My car is nicer. But she she isn't divorcing him for me because she ultimately still likes him. I could offer her a new car and she's still likely to say no. Standing on a corner yelling about how much money you have to offer someone isn't going to automatically get you a proven coach any more than it's going to attract you a wife.
 
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BeardedVol said:
And what did we offer him before Florida came in with the better offer?

Why would Florida be his "dream job"? His only connection to the school was his time as an assistant on Meyer's staff.
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Mullen's first contract at Florida was in the neighborhood of $6 million a year. John Currie had offered him right at $7 million. Florida didn't come with a "better offer," it was where he wanted to be.

You'll have to ask him why it was his dream job, he's said publicly several times it was.
 
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DeerPark12 said:
Mullen's first contract at Florida was in the neighborhood of $6 million a year. John Currie had offered him right at $7 million. Florida didn't come with a "better offer," it was where he wanted to be.

You'll have to ask him why it was his dream job, he's said publicly several times it was.
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So you are proposing that Currie led off with a 6 year $42 million dollar contract?
 
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