SDS "Brick by brick"

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Butch Jones has done most everything correct since his arrival at UT, he recruits light's out and is a fairly good orator, saying all the right things at pretty much the right times.....He's energized the hungry fan base and beyond.
However, it's getting close to the time when Butch will have to curtail the talking and start winning football games. No?
 
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livefaith said:
Maybe?

I wonder if losing some of these young promising players could be due to the massive sales hype leading said player to NSD. Once the LOI is dry, no staff or HC on earth has enough time and energy to continue such a level of interest and family. The player who is now on campus going to English 101 with 200 other students realizes that the "romance" is over and this is work. Maybe they get a little disillusioned and realize they made an emotional decision rather than a more circumspect one.

Does the fact that the HC wears a bow tie for you REALLY matter over the course of the next 3-4 years? It's not wrong. But I think Butch is good at relating to the emotions of a 16-18y/o high school players. Unfortunately, when the sweat and discipline come due, then maybe some of these young men are asking the "why" questions.

It may be similar to the common problem with dating and marriage. Men & Women often put on their best act while dating. One they "fall in love" because of how "awesome" their partner is, the decide to make it a lifetime. Then at some point and time the REAL person is revealed in the midst of dirty laundry, screaming kids, and electric bills and taxes. Suddenly people start asking the "why" questions.

This is just a complete theory that I have based on too many good prospects transferring. All based on reading the news and hearing rumors around here. Not actual info from the sources. The fact that dead weight is leaving is a good and expected thing IMO.
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I think you've hit the nail squarely on the head. Sadly, I don't know what the answer is other than winning. Surely the situation is the same at other programs (Alabama, etc.). Once we start to win, however, the blood and sweat will be worth it for most - although some will leave regardless... there are quitters in every sport.
 
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livefaith said:
Maybe?

I wonder if losing some of these young promising players could be due to the massive sales hype leading said player to NSD. Once the LOI is dry, no staff or HC on earth has enough time and energy to continue such a level of interest and family. The player who is now on campus going to English 101 with 200 other students realizes that the "romance" is over and this is work. Maybe they get a little disillusioned and realize they made an emotional decision rather than a more circumspect one.

Does the fact that the HC wears a bow tie for you REALLY matter over the course of the next 3-4 years? It's not wrong. But I think Butch is good at relating to the emotions of a 16-18y/o high school players. Unfortunately, when the sweat and discipline come due, then maybe some of these young men are asking the "why" questions.

It may be similar to the common problem with dating and marriage. Men & Women often put on their best act while dating. One they "fall in love" because of how "awesome" their partner is, the decide to make it a lifetime. Then at some point and time the REAL person is revealed in the midst of dirty laundry, screaming kids, and electric bills and taxes. Suddenly people start asking the "why" questions.

This is just a complete theory that I have based on too many good prospects transferring. All based on reading the news and hearing rumors around here. Not actual info from the sources. The fact that dead weight is leaving is a good and expected thing IMO.
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The prospects that are transfering were not going to play, or in VW's situation is all on him and him alone. He just would not allow things time enough to work out, let's just mark it down to his ego getting in his way as to why he is leaving.

As for the facilities and tradition crap, that means nothing to players. Michigan has that and Hoke did nothing, Fooley nothing here, Bama between Stallings and Saban, Miami zip, nada. It is all about the coaches. All the people on here who think any coach can bring in top 5'recruiting classes here are drinking to much kool-aid. It takes extreme effort to achive that level of recruiting even with highly successful teams, much less where we have been. If it was easy LSU, Texas, TAMU, UCLA would be the ones pulling top 5's. They either have the players in their states, plenty of hot girls in bikini's, beaches or advantages we do not. But they did not pull a top 5 class to a colder climate, well away from the beach, where the girls are bundled up right now. VOLS DID, BUTCH DID. VOLS ARE BACK.
 
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livefaith said:
Maybe?

I wonder if losing some of these young promising players could be due to the massive sales hype leading said player to NSD. Once the LOI is dry, no staff or HC on earth has enough time and energy to continue such a level of interest and family. The player who is now on campus going to English 101 with 200 other students realizes that the "romance" is over and this is work. Maybe they get a little disillusioned and realize they made an emotional decision rather than a more circumspect one.

Does the fact that the HC wears a bow tie for you REALLY matter over the course of the next 3-4 years? It's not wrong. But I think Butch is good at relating to the emotions of a 16-18y/o high school players. Unfortunately, when the sweat and discipline come due, then maybe some of these young men are asking the "why" questions.

It may be similar to the common problem with dating and marriage. Men & Women often put on their best act while dating. One they "fall in love" because of how "awesome" their partner is, the decide to make it a lifetime. Then at some point and time the REAL person is revealed in the midst of dirty laundry, screaming kids, and electric bills and taxes. Suddenly people start asking the "why" questions.

This is just a complete theory that I have based on too many good prospects transferring. All based on reading the news and hearing rumors around here. Not actual info from the sources. The fact that dead weight is leaving is a good and expected thing IMO.
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Mack Brown coddled his guys year round...he'd have top 5 classes locked up a year and half in advance and keep recruiting them til they graduated...Texas had the talent for more than one title IMO but the offensive line and consequentially the running game grew soft despite having running backs like Cedric Benson and Jamaal Charles...not many transfers...fill in the blanks.
 
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Plano Vol said:
I don't think CBJ should be viewed as a grand marketeer with the ability to sell ice to Eskimos.

I think the school and the facilities are a great product that can stand on their own merit. Add the buzz and success that Coach and staff have introduced in the past two years and it should be enough to have Tennessee as a possibility for most high school players.

CBJ accentuates the positives, courts the high school coaches and has a certain sincerity that makes families feel like their boy will be treated as more than a commodity. All good things that CBJ masterfully utilizes for recruiting success.

But it ain't like he is selling s4!t as caviar.
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If the school and facilities are such great recruiting assists, why couldn't Dooley recruit? I think the coach has a lot to do with it. JMO.
 
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I think butch has a gift when it comes to talking to these young men and their families.
Also tTennessee is rich in tradition.
 
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Plano Vol said:
I don't think CBJ should be viewed as a grand marketeer with the ability to sell ice to Eskimos.

I think the school and the facilities are a great product that can stand on their own merit. Add the buzz and success that Coach and staff have introduced in the past two years and it should be enough to have Tennessee as a possibility for most high school players.

CBJ accentuates the positives, courts the high school coaches and has a certain sincerity that makes families feel like their boy will be treated as more than a commodity. All good things that CBJ masterfully utilizes for recruiting success.

But it ain't like he is selling s4!t as caviar.
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Post of the day. And having a concern about a staff hire doesn't = no appreciation for Butch overall. Even good coaches make a mistake once in a while. The best simply make the fewest.
 
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Plano Vol said:
I don't think CBJ should be viewed as a grand marketeer with the ability to sell ice to Eskimos.

I think the school and the facilities are a great product that can stand on their own merit. Add the buzz and success that Coach and staff have introduced in the past two years and it should be enough to have Tennessee as a possibility for most high school players.

CBJ accentuates the positives, courts the high school coaches and has a certain sincerity that makes families feel like their boy will be treated as more than a commodity. All good things that CBJ masterfully utilizes for recruiting success.

But it ain't like he is selling s4!t as caviar.
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I think he is a grand marketeer. I agree he's not selling a bad product, but you can have a really good product and fail the marketing challenge.

Marketing is super important.

I think it's a lot like the CEO at T-Mobile. He brings a lot of energy and drive and has been able to completely turn the company around with that energy. Of course both he and Butch have a good plan and vision.
 
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volfan53 said:
If the school and facilities are such great recruiting assists, why couldn't Dooley recruit? I think the coach has a lot to do with it. JMO.
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Dooley did recruit well. Justin Hunter... et al.

I think he would have been more successful with a better DC hire and a stronger presence.
 
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Plano Vol said:
I don't think CBJ should be viewed as a grand marketeer with the ability to sell ice to Eskimos.

I think the school and the facilities are a great product that can stand on their own merit. Add the buzz and success that Coach and staff have introduced in the past two years and it should be enough to have Tennessee as a possibility for most high school players.

CBJ accentuates the positives, courts the high school coaches and has a certain sincerity that makes families feel like their boy will be treated as more than a commodity. All good things that CBJ masterfully utilizes for recruiting success.

But it ain't like he is selling s4!t as caviar.
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while i won't argue that TN has definitely got plenty going for it with stadium, facilities, fan base, tradition etc...that alone doesn't do it. ask derek dooley. heck ask phil fulmer the last 2-3 years he was there.

someone has to lead, define the purpose, set the vision and process of how goals will be achieved....and lastly, get those under him to buy in to it all.

in other words, you need BOTH. butch didn't get top 5 classes at Cincinnati, but he is at UT. and UT wasn't raking in top 5 classes w/out him.

it's the combination of a good leader and a great product that works. can't have just one. need both.

right now, we have both. enjoy, and hopefully we'll see another step of on field progress this year. the trick for Butch and any coach really is how to keep the message and pitch from getting stale. that's what happened with Fulmer, Mack Brown, Lloyd Carr, John Cooper, Bobby Bowden and JoePa.....among others.

but for the time being, what we have is a perfect marriage it seems.

GO VOLS!
 
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dblutfan said:
Don't forget that half of Volnation is not sold on Butch's coaching ability. Most are taking a wait and see approach...SMH
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he just got done coaching the youngest team in the country, and a program that has been flat on it's face for the last 5 years to a bowl win.

i think he's doing just fine. doesn't mean he's perfect. but hard to criticize "coaching ability" at this point.

now, if we go 7-5 or something worse this year.....oof. then we can talk. i don't see that happening though.
 
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