Scout Reporting that Bryce Brown will....

#76
#76
SpringBokVol said:
Who does he have to pay back his benefits to? That doesn't make any sense to me.
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What benefits did he receive? The only thing I can find pertains to his travel to campuses and "free" training! What is the real issue here? :search:

SGMVols said:
Agreed. If we can't beat WKU without him, then this suspension is the least of our problems.

But I'm glad UT is appealing this anyway. You have to defend your athlete in this case.
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Absolutely! :rock: We may have a thick Freshman stock but we need to open up strong and finish stronger with or without BB! I definitely want to see him get out there ASAP though! I think he is going to be that outstanding asset we have been needing!
 
#77
#77
VOLnMiami said:
I really do not think Bryce will make that big of a difference early in the season anyways, By mid-season is when we will start seeing some flashes of what he can do and what he will start doing in the future....If your expecting him to run over people in the swamp and look like Bo Jackson then your going to be terribly disappointed...Give him and the rest of the freshman time to adjust to the college game first.
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Herschel Walker laughs at this.
 
#78
#78
IPorange said:
Erroneous.

1. He isn't missing practice over this, he's missing practice due to a relatively minor hip injury.

2. Amateur status of NCAA athlete doesn't usually result in an all or nothing deal, if the player wasn't regularly employed as an athlete in his given sport. Fund raising or having a third party pay for your camp is not regular employment. Details of an incident matter.


If I am wrong, I'll come back and take my medicine. I am just tired of seeing the same things repeated in this thread that run counter the facts as we know them right now.
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I'm not posting thing counter to what we actually know. Try and keep up. Secondly, regular employment or not, what I am saying is that it is idiotic to say that a persons amateur status can be "returned" by sitting out a game.
Kindof like being a born again virgin.
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#79
#79
VolDad said:
If that is why you are pissed then why are you defending the ones who proclaimed that he would not play any football and slamming the guy who disagreed with them?
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I'm not pissed. I said people are pissed. I never said how long he would be suspended or if he even would be. I was slamming the guy because he was slamming everyone else. Volnation is where people put in their own opinion, if your right than congrats to you, if your wrong than so be it.
 
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#80
Dawson said:
I'm not posting thing counter to what we actually know. Try and keep up. Secondly, regular employment or not, what I am saying is that it is idiotic to say that a persons amateur status can be "returned" by sitting out a game.
Kindof like being a born again virgin.
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I don't want this to turn into an internet pissing contest, mainly because that's a waste of time, and I am about to step away from my computer for a meeting (not a fancy business meeting, a lame boring one that doesn't pay. I am in no way trying to sound like a super special internet champ because I am not. I'm a poor grad student.)

You said BB was missing practice for this. He isn't. You said rulings are usually "all or nothing" on amateur status. They're not.

I agree the NCAA is stupid, and that it NOT being "all or nothing" makes little sense, but that's the world we live in, and those are the facts as they have been released.
 
#81
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Dawson said:
I'm not posting thing counter to what we actually know. Try and keep up. Secondly, regular employment or not, what I am saying is that it is idiotic to say that a persons amateur status can be "returned" by sitting out a game.
Kindof like being a born again virgin.
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I don’t understand how someone like Rozier can play pro Baseball and then come back and play NCAA Football. Surely the Red Sox paid him.
 
#83
#83
VolDad said:
I don’t understand how someone like Rozier can play pro Baseball and then come back and play NCAA Football. Surely the Red Sox paid him.
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guys have been doing that for a while (Weinke, Kelley Washington)
 
#85
#85
as I understand it, rozier couldn't play baseball b/c he was a pro in that sport, but can in football because he wasn't paid in that sport?

this ish is cornfusing...
 
#86
#86
IPorange said:
Erroneous.

1. He isn't missing practice over this, he's missing practice due to a relatively minor hip injury.

2. Amateur status of NCAA athlete doesn't usually result in an all or nothing deal, if the player wasn't regularly employed as an athlete in his given sport. Fund raising or having a third party pay for your camp is not regular employment. Details of an incident matter.


If I am wrong, I'll come back and take my medicine. I am just tired of seeing the same things repeated in this thread that run counter the facts as we know them right now.
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Agreed. It sounds like the usual punishment is paying back the money and perhaps a small suspension.

As for It's great to be a Tennessee Vol's posts railing against those that said it was all or nothing - I think that you happen to be right, but unless you know details of this situation that aren't yet public, I don't think that you KNEW you were right when you asserted that it was only a one game issue. Looking back at the thread, it appears that you keyed off of Kiffin's statement about maybe missing WKy and assumed that this was what was at risk (I could be wrong about this...just going by how the posts developed). If so, then I think this was wrong, and the guys who said it was all or nothing were wrong too. The following was actually posted shortly after you guys began discussing the all or nothing thing, so I'm not even sure why you feel the need to be going off in this thread now...this was posted forever ago:

Am I automatically ineligible if I violated the amateurism rules?
No. The Eligibility Center will review your athletics participation history. If there are violations of NCAA amateurism rules, the Eligibility Center may certify you with conditions, which must be fulfilled before you are eligible for competition. The conditions will be set based on which rule was violated and the severity of the violation. Such conditions may include repayment of money or sitting out of competition for a specified number of games, or both.
BUT
In some cases, the Eligibility Center may determine that the violations are such that permanent ineligibility for competition is the appropriate penalty.
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http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/60ac1e004e0b89fb98dbf81ad6fc8b25/Amateurism_Certification_FAQs.pdf?MOD=AJPERES&CACHEID=60ac1e004e0b89fb98dbf81ad6fc8b25

So there can be
1)no penalty
2)pay back the fee
3)maybe get suspended
4)lose all eligibility

Sounds like BB may face 2 and 3.
 
#87
#87
VolDad said:
I don’t understand how someone like Rozier can play pro Baseball and then come back and play NCAA Football. Surely the Red Sox paid him.
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I'm pretty sure that you can be pro in another sport, and an amateur in another.

The only case I can think of that didn't work like that was the one skiier who went to Colorado but ended up being ineligible.

I'm really not seeing how they can say that Bryce owes someone money and will only miss one game. If he really did get any benefits/cash, that should take away his amateur status, shouldn't it?
 
#89
#89
Hooker said today that he was missing practice and talked about him not being elligible. If he isn't, then great. Secondly, everything I have seen involving amateur status USUALLY has an all or nothing outcome whether right or wrong.
A golfer I knew lost out on a scholarship because a local company paid for him to play in a tournament over seas. That is just one I can remember off the top of my head.

Good luck in your meeting though. I'm actually in one right now and pretending to listen and send out important emails.
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#90
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TennTradition said:
... The following was actually posted shortly after you guys began discussing the all or nothing thing, so I'm not even sure why you feel the need to be going off in this thread now...this was posted forever ago.... .
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I just thought Eric’s assertion that he knew it was “all or nothing” because he played golf in high school was funny as HEL*.
 
#91
#91
TennTradition said:
Agreed. It sounds like the usual punishment is paying back the money and perhaps a small suspension.

As for It's great to be a Tennessee Vol's posts railing against those that said it was all or nothing - I think that you happen to be right, but unless you know details of this situation that aren't yet public, I don't think that you KNEW you were right when you asserted that it was only a one game issue. Looking back at the thread, it appears that you keyed off of Kiffin's statement about maybe missing WKy and assumed that this was what was at risk (I could be wrong about this...just going by how the posts developed). If so, then I think this was wrong, and the guys who said it was all or nothing were wrong too. The following was actually posted shortly after you guys began discussing the all or nothing thing, so I'm not even sure why you feel the need to be going off in this thread now...this was posted forever ago:



http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/60ac1e004e0b89fb98dbf81ad6fc8b25/Amateurism_Certification_FAQs.pdf?MOD=AJPERES&CACHEID=60ac1e004e0b89fb98dbf81ad6fc8b25

So there can be
1)no penalty
2)pay back the fee
3)maybe get suspended
4)lose all eligibility

Sounds like BB may face 2 and 3.
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Will they require him to pay before play or can he setup monthly installments? He can still practice and everything right?
 
#92
#92
bburger991 said:
I'm pretty sure that you can be pro in another sport, and an amateur in another.

The only case I can think of that didn't work like that was the one skiier who went to Colorado but ended up being ineligible.

I'm really not seeing how they can say that Bryce owes someone money and will only miss one game. If he really did get any benefits/cash, that should take away his amateur status, shouldn't it?
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Yes, and if I remember correctly the issue with the skiier was due to him receiving endorsement money rather than just a salary. Endorsements are how skiiers make a living but to allow it the NCAA would have to distinguish between which sport the endorsement was actually for which is a gray area.
 
#93
#93
VolDad said:
I just thought Eric’s assertion that he knew it was “all or nothing” because he played golf in high school was funny as HEL*.
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I think that it is fair to say that unless you get paid to worry about these rules, what may seem obvious or straightforward is rarely so.
 
#94
#94
Crackhouse said:
Will they require him to pay before play or can he setup monthly installments? He can still practice and everything right?
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I don't know the answer to that. My *guess* is that a deal can be struck with the NCAA for paying back the money. As for practice, my hunch would be that he could practice, but it is possible that he cannot practice until he serves his suspension. That is all speculation. I am sure that if the original ruling is upheld and that includes being held out of practice, then part of UT's appeal will be to at least allow him to practice.
 
#95
#95
I have to say the NCAA is just wrong with this. I do not care about their decision either way, but I do feel BB didn't do anything wrong. Sorry the kid went to camps to be better. Not like it is different the getting a scholarship or money from the church to go to camp during the summer. My problem with this is their timing. They have been investigating this since Feb and now they decide. This could have been done back in June and gave UT and BB time to appeal it. This is the NCAA just saying hey Kiffin we are in charge and it looks malicous on their part.

I hope the best for BB and the NCAA is a joke.
 
#96
#96
My other question to the NCAA would be in regards to kids who play college soccer and baseball., but while in HS the soccer club or the AAU club scholarshiped the players because they could not afford it otherwise. Even paying for camps they attend during the summer at colleges. What is the difference. Basically a kid on a club scholarship in some cases is getting payed to play when they are recruited by a larger club who might be the best in the state but yet can't aford to play for that club.
 
#97
#97
Panthro said:
I'm not broken hearted that he might not be able to play against WKU. At least he won't get injured in a throw-away game.
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hey, I'm broken-hearted about it. I want to see him play and WKU and Vandy are the only ones I'm able to attend. I hope UT wins the appeal.
 
#98
#98
bburger991 said:
I'm pretty sure that you can be pro in another sport, and an amateur in another.

The only case I can think of that didn't work like that was the one skiier who went to Colorado but ended up being ineligible.

I'm really not seeing how they can say that Bryce owes someone money and will only miss one game. If he really did get any benefits/cash, that should take away his amateur status, shouldn't it?
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It's crazy how the NCAA operates. Butler needs to start sending his football players on "baseball trips" to see the universities. :crazy:
 
#99
#99
TideWarrior said:
I have to say the NCAA is just wrong with this. I do not care about their decision either way, but I do feel BB didn't do anything wrong. Sorry the kid went to camps to be better. Not like it is different the getting a scholarship or money from the church to go to camp during the summer. My problem with this is their timing. They have been investigating this since Feb and now they decide. This could have been done back in June and gave UT and BB time to appeal it. This is the NCAA just saying hey Kiffin we are in charge and it looks malicous on their part.

I hope the best for BB and the NCAA is a joke.
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I definietly agree! What's up with their timing? If he did receive "extra" training/benefits so what! Can you blame him for attempting to be a better athelete? If it was paid for him then what's the big deal with that? Does it really give him that much of an advantage over the next player? Granted he is a strong athelte but money didn't get him there! I have seen many kids/atheletes have someone else pay for them to go to camp! If you see potential you have to help it grow! I simply disagree with this rule! It's not like he was paid to come to TN!
 
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