Scout Board:"Brady Ackerman says Leach is a Vol"

#51
#51
South Carolina generally has a much tougher path to win the SEC than Tech in the Big 12.

And both Steve Spurrier and Lou Holtz were well past their prime when they took over at USC.

Also, beating Cal means nothing. I don't know if you noticed this, but every good team beats Cal.
 
#52
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tvolsfan said:
South Carolina generally has a much tougher path to win the SEC than Tech in the Big 12.

And both Steve Spurrier and Lou Holtz were well past their prime when they took over at USC.

Also, beating Cal means nothing. I don't know if you noticed this, but every good team beats Cal.
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Not really. Texas and Oklahoma, who are far and away the best teams in that conference, are both in the same division. Both of those teams also get first dibs on the Texas recruits. TTU gets the leftovers of those, and consistently have them perform above expectations.

And in '04, Cal was actually pretty good. The only loss besides to TTU was to #1 USC by 6 points.
 
#53
#53
tvolsfan said:
Kiffin
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You continue to say Leach has not won anything but you want Kiffin? I like Kiffin but what exactly has he EVER won?

Would you say the same things about Leach if he were averaging 8+ wins per year AND was in the middle of the NC race while coaching Miss St..... In Starkville???

TT = Miss St
 
#54
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VOLnMiami said:
Once again...Dude, it's TEXAS FREAKIN TECH!!...They are in a very rough division and its hard to win it every year...He's never had a losing record....Ever...He's put Texas Tech on the map...He develops kids about as good as anybody I've ever seen...He's a bit strange but a perfect fit for UT...His post game show and call in shows are worth the price of admission alone...He would be a breath of fresh air and would bring excitement to UT football once again...Period....I'm VOLnMiami and I approve this message :p
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I too approve this message and as stated before if we could steal Steel, then defensive and recruiting concerns solved.
 
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UT4EVER said:
You continue to say Leach has not won anything but you want Kiffin? I like Kiffin but what exactly has he EVER won?

Would you say the same things about Leach if he were averaging 8+ wins per year AND was in the middle of the NC race while coaching Miss St..... In Starkville???

TT = Miss St
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This basically. Even USC fans believe had Kiffin has some questionable play calls. Sure he can recruit, but to be honest, anyone could get at least a decent class if they were getting guys to come to Southern Cal. Basically, his entire recruiting class was built from in state guys, and he would go pick one or two out from across the country. We need someone who would be able to actually pick an entire class from around the country.

I don't know about Leach's recruiting very well, but I do know that he's proven a ton of a lot more than Kiffin ever has.
 
#56
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tvolsfan said:
South Carolina generally has a much tougher path to win the SEC than Tech in the Big 12.

And both Steve Spurrier and Lou Holtz were well past their prime when they took over at USC.

Also, beating Cal means nothing. I don't know if you noticed this, but every good team beats Cal.
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I'm not going to discount wins over a top 10 ranked team because its fashionable in these parts to hate on Cal. The bottom line is, Leach is beating ranked teams with some regularity now, top 10 Cal, OU and Texas included.

Being in the same division as Texas and OU is no calkwalk. If Tech wins the Big 12 South its a huge accomplishment, pure and simple.

I'm not a Leach bandwagon guy, but I'm objective enough to have a certain degree of faith in his ability to deliver some success if he's equipped with a good Def Coordinator and some great staff recruiters.

And I wouldn't hate hanging 30+ on florida, bama and georgia regularly either.
 
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UT4EVER said:
You continue to say Leach has not won anything but you want Kiffin? I like Kiffin but what exactly has he EVER won?

Would you say the same things about Leach if he were averaging 8+ wins per year AND was in the middle of the NC race while coaching Miss St..... In Starkville???

TT = Miss St
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Texas and OU have been the only special teams in the conference. It isn't nearly the same thing.
 
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General Jack said:
I'm not going to discount wins over a top 10 ranked team because its fashionable in these parts to hate on Cal. The bottom line is, Leach is beating ranked teams with some regularity now, top 10 Cal, OU and Texas included.

Being in the same division as Texas and OU is no calkwalk. If Tech wins the Big 12 South its a huge accomplishment, pure and simple.

I'm not a Leach bandwagon guy, but I'm objective enough to have a certain degree of faith in his ability to deliver some success if he's equipped with a good Def Coordinator and some great staff recruiters.

And I wouldn't hate hanging 30+ on florida, bama and georgia regularly either.
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I would mind giving up a ton of points, though.
 
#60
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UT4EVER said:
You continue to say Leach has not won anything but you want Kiffin? I like Kiffin but what exactly has he EVER won?
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I'm not making propping up based on his success as a head coach. Its more recruiting and assembling a good staff. I also do think the Raiders were playing much better with him.

As for Leach, he hasn't shown anything throughout his career other than offense.
 
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tvolsfan said:
Texas and OU have been the only special teams in the conference. It isn't nearly the same thing.
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And how has the SEC been any better the past few years?
Florida/Georgia
Tennessee/SCar
Kentucky/Vandy

Sounds about like the Big XII South with
OU/Texas
TTU
Okie State/Texas A&M
Baylor
 
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tvolsfan said:
I would mind giving up a ton of points, though.
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It's not like a good defensive coordinator wouldn't fix that though. I mean, even now, they've got a competent defense in the best offensive league in the country. Even a mediocre defense can win games when your offense is putting up over 40 a game.
 
#66
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Kiffin was recruiting players to USC...Think about that a minute...Southern California...They had just come off 2 national titles and competing for another...What kid wouldn't want to be a part of something like that??...It's in southern cal, It's warm year round, Hollywood blah blah blah...Damn it makes me want to go out there lol
 
#67
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UT4EVER said:
You continue to say Leach has not won anything but you want Kiffin? I like Kiffin but what exactly has he EVER won?

Would you say the same things about Leach if he were averaging 8+ wins per year AND was in the middle of the NC race while coaching Miss St..... In Starkville???

TT = Miss St
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If that's the case we should hire Jackie Sherrill. He had as many 10 win season at St. as Leach has at Tech.
 
#68
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JZVOL said:
If that's the case we should hire Jackie Sherrill. He had as many 10 win season at St. as Leach has at Tech.
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... and a trail of infractions from College Station across the southeast US. Same can't be said for Leach.
 
#69
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tvolsfan said:
Not much more, I still wouldn't want him. A win today would put him at two big wins in 9 years.
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Conversely, I won't be the least bit dissuaded on Leach even if Tech loses tonight.

He's the number two team in the country, playing in a hostile environment, against a coach who knows him as well as anyone - and who is trying to claw his way back into the NC hunt.

Those saying that a Tech win is a "must" game for Leach to continue to be considered are the same ones who clamor that we should win the SEC each year, and that's not realistic.

I'm excited to see the game, but don't think a "W" is tantamount to Leach being the top choice. In fact, if he loses, and all recent reports that he's been offered the job are true - it gets him in Knoxville that much quicker, as he's out of the NC hunt, and there's nothing to hold him after the Baylor game next week.

Just one man's dumb opinion I suppose.
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General Jack said:
... and a trail of infractions from College Station across the southeast US. Same can't be said for Leach.
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Oh well than sign him up.


If CPF was fired after the 2005 season none of you guys would mention Leach.
If CPF retired after last season none of you would mention Leach.
 
#73
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JZVOL said:
If CPF was fired after the 2005 season none of you guys would mention Leach.
If CPF retired after last season none of you would mention Leach.
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Of course we wouldn't, we would already have a quality coach on staff.
 
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bburger991 said:
And how has the SEC been any better the past few years?
Florida/Georgia
Tennessee/SCar
Kentucky/Vandy

Sounds about like the Big XII South with
OU/Texas
TTU
Okie State/Texas A&M
Baylor
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Tech, Okie State, A&M have never been worth anything. Up until this year, the SEC East has been considerably better than the Big 12 South.
 
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