Scott McClellan's new book

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OWB said:
Hence the deception. Almost everyone was duped by the Bush administration.
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I think there were elements of the Bush Administration that were too hawkish in hindsight, but at the time the CIA and several foreign governments were all in agreement about WMD. Saddam lied a little too well for his own good.
 
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OWB said:
Nah it's solar. (Which could be a problem once Bush makes the sun explode.)
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It's an Ipod.

With R as President you have an Ipod
Last D as President you did not have an Ipod

Seems to me you need to reshape your thinking.
 
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GAVol said:
I think there were elements of the Bush Administration that were too hawkish in hindsight, but at the time the CIA and several foreign governments were all in agreement about WMD. Saddam lied a little too well for his own good.
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Isn't the intelligence community in place to sniff out these lies you speak of?
 
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emainvol said:
Isn't the intelligence community in place to sniff out these lies you speak of?
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People often have a misconception that "intelligence" is 100% certified gold standard correct. Often "intelligence" is information gathered on subjects people are trying to keep secret. It isn't handed over with a red ribbon tied on it.
 
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allvol123 said:
People often have a misconception that "intelligence" is 100% certified gold standard correct. Often "intelligence" is information gathered on subjects people are trying to keep secret. It isn't handed over with a red ribbon tied on it.
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I know that intelligence isn't 100% correct in all cases, but it certainly is unnerving that a third rate idiot of a dictator could fool them so badly.
 
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emainvol said:
I know that intelligence isn't 100% correct in all cases, but it certainly is unnerving that a third rate idiot of a dictator could fool them so badly.
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Run a country and close off the borders and rule all media with an iron fist and see how well your secrets get out. As GA said, he did too good of a job of pretending he had something if he didn't have something.
 
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allvol123 said:
Run a country and close off the borders and rule all media with an iron fist and see how well your secrets get out. As GA said, he did too good of a job of pretending he had something if he didn't have something.
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I'm not trying to be argumentative, but are suggesting that we should give our intelligence agencies a pass because of the degree of difficulty?
 
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emainvol said:
I'm not trying to be argumentative, but are suggesting that we should give our intelligence agencies a pass because of the degree of difficulty?
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No intelligence gathering agencies should always try to find new ways of getting the intelligence they need as well as improving upon existing methods. Do we rake them over the coals for it? IMO no it only causes more distraction from the task at hand. If there was a conspiracy then those involved should be terminated from the agency.
 
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I am suggesting that to believe all intelligence is accurate is naive. Reference 09/11, how did sitting on any intelligence up to that point about islamic extremists work out? Not too well. You score the credibility of the sources of the info and also score the believability of the story itself and go from there. If the info was sitting on a silver platter there would be no need for intelligence. I'm not saying to give anyone a pass. It is what it is.
 
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I'be brought it up before, what about the retired Iraqi General who says they did have the WMD's?
 
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Interesting

McClellan also took issue with the book by former Bush White House counter-terrorism czar Richard Clarke, "Against All Enemies: Inside America's War on Terror," on March 22, 2004:

McCLELLAN: Well, why, all of a sudden, if he had all these grave concerns, did he not raise these sooner? This is one-and-a-half years after he left the administration. And now, all of a sudden, he's raising these grave concerns that he claims he had. And I think you have to look at some of the facts. One, he is bringing this up in the heat of a presidential campaign. He has written a book and he certainly wants to go out there and promote that book. Certainly let's look at the politics of it. His best buddy is Rand Beers, who is the principal foreign policy advisor to Senator Kerry's campaign. The Kerry campaign went out and immediately put these comments up on their website that Mr. Clarke made. ...
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Political Punch
 
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I think it's pretty clear that this is either a money grab, a vendetta or both. Everybody that knows him is saying that this came completely out of the blue.
 
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I think it's pretty clear this is about money, maybe a little revenge as well.

Never mind, thanks for stealing my thunder GA.
 
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GAVol said:
I think it's pretty clear that this is either a money grab, a vendetta or both. Everybody that knows him is saying that this came completely out of the blue.
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the publishing company is rumored to be funded by George Soros. McClellan also said that near the end, he turned the book over to the editor.

His name is on it, so now he's going to have to defend what's in it. I don't know what his media tour is going to look like, but it's kicking off with Keith Olbermann. I don't expect to see McClellan on too many FNC programs.
 
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GAVol said:
I think it's pretty clear that this is either a money grab, a vendetta or both. Everybody that knows him is saying that this came completely out of the blue.
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Rove seemed stunned last night on Fox, saying he didn't reconize this guy as who he knew. This is going to get interesting.
 
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MG1968 said:
the publishing company is rumored to be funded by George Soros. McClellan also said that near the end, he turned the book over to the editor.

His name is on it, so now he's going to have to defend what's in it. I don't know what his media tour is going to look like, but it's kicking off with Keith Olbermann. I don't expect to see McClellan on too many FNC programs.
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Shocking.
 
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iceman9 said:
Rove seemed stunned last night on Fox, saying he didn't reconize this guy as who he knew. This is going to get interesting.
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I saw Ari Fleisher being interviewed earlier tonight and he seemed sincerely perplexed. He said that he had stayed in touch with McClellan and had never heard him express these viewpoints and had no idea the book was going to be this negative until he talked to him last night.
 
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GAVol said:
I saw Ari Fleisher being interviewed earlier tonight and he seemed sincerely perplexed. He said that he had stayed in touch with McClellan and had never heard him express these viewpoints and had no idea the book was going to be this negative until he talked to him last night.
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I do wonder if he has an axe to grind, why? who with? And if he did turn the book over, this is going to get messy. Wonder if this is the start of the Soros/Brock smear job?
 
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McClennan has simply told the truth. If that is perplexing to Bush's advisors I think they need to do some self-examination.
 
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oklavol said:
McClennen has simply told the truth. If that is perplexing to Bush's advisors I think they need to do some self-examination.
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What you mean to say is he told the "truth" that the left wants to hear. From what I understand he makes claims about meetings he was not present for. Look I will not pretend to know what he is or is not telling the truth about. One thing is for sure, he either lied then or he is lying now or a combination of both. I happen to think he is lying about both.
 
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oklavol said:
McClennen has simply told the truth. If that is perplexing to Bush's advisors I think they need to do some self-examination.
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very entertaining. Making definitive statements with no idea who you're talking about is just classic.
 
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