School shooting in Colorado

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What does liberal/conservative have to do with any of this? People that do this are deranged and probably tend to be extreme in one direction or another, but their particular philosophies don't really matter. They're nuts.
 
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GAVol said:
What does liberal/conservative have to do with any of this? People that do this are deranged and probably tend to be extreme in one direction or another, but their particular philosophies don't really matter. They're nuts.
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It doesn't matter at all but on VN it does. I'd say the fact that he was bullied was more of a reason than his concern with economic inequality.
 
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lawgator1 said:
This article is beyond retarded. He shot himself. The SRO didn't even get a round off.
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Good grief. Talk about building a self serving narrative. This part is complete political hackery.
According to The Christian Science Monitor, the school's armed guard began running toward the sound of the shooter as soon as the first shots were fired. Arapahoe County Sheriff Grayson Robinson said that as a result of the guard's action, "the heavily-armed shooter realized he was about to be confronted by an armed officer and took his own life."

On December 21, 2012, the National Rifle Association's Wayne LaPierre responded to the heinous crime at Sandy Hook Elementary by stressing the need for armed guards in America's schools. Said LaPierre, "The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun."
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#VFL__ said:
It doesn't matter at all but on VN it does. I'd say the fact that he was bullied was more of a reason than his concern with economic inequality.
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This is rich.

If the guy was a tea party member, you and LG both would be singing it from the roof tops.


So just stop
 
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Obsessed said:
This is rich.

If the guy was a tea party member, you and LG both would be singing it from the roof tops.


So just stop
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Actually I would just say what I said above. The guy wasn't thinking clearly and made a terrible decision, which had nothing to do with what party he followed. That's called thinking critically. I do believe the armed gaurd was crucial. Guns are bad ummmkay but a good guy with a gun makes me sleep sound at night.
 
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lawgator1 said:
This article is beyond retarded. He shot himself. The SRO didn't even get a round off.
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I agree and disagree. (which is kind of an odd feeling when dealing with you)

The armed presence probably would have stopped far more carnage than was created, so there's the disagreement.

What the article doesn't speak to is whether or not the shooter was confronted by the SRO at all. So you are partially correct.
 
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I don't particularly view this incident as relevant to the pro or anti gun regulatory causes because a) the kid was using a shot gun, not a handgun or AR, which are the guns typically spoken of as needed more regulation; and b) theorizing that the kid shot himself because he was afraid of someone armed is speculation made of whole cloth.

I just don't think this incident has much to do with the debate we've been having here.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I agree and disagree. (which is kind of an odd feeling when dealing with you)

The armed presence probably would have stopped far more carnage than was created, so there's the disagreement.

What the article doesn't speak to is whether or not the shooter was confronted by the SRO at all. So you are partially correct.
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I've got no disagreement with you. As I say, this incident is really not particularly on point to the issue as we've discussed it over the last year or so.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I don't particularly view this incident as relevant to the pro or anti gun regulatory causes because a) the kid was using a shot gun, not a handgun or AR, which are the guns typically spoken of as needed more regulation; and b) theorizing that the kid shot himself because he was afraid of someone armed is speculation made of whole cloth.

I just don't think this incident has much to do with the debate we've been having here.
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my sentiments exactly.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I've got no disagreement with you. As I say, this incident is really not particularly on point to the issue as we've discussed it over the last year or so.
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Why, I don't understand? Is it because the weapon used doesn't fit your agenda? So let's just brush past this one.

I quess mass shootings are ok with the LGs of the world as long as no handguns or "assault" rifles were used.
 
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hog88 said:
Why, I don't understand? Is it because the weapon used doesn't fit your agenda? So let's just brush past this one.

I quess mass shootings are ok with the LGs of the world as long as no handguns or "assault" rifles were used.
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From all accounts this was some random kid who lost his mind over a disagreement with a teacher. He didn't plan it out, this wasn't a mass shooting incident. There's no dark history of mental health counselors and video games warping his mind for us to look into. From the looks of things, he got pissed off and just grabbed whatever gun was handy and showed up to vent his anger.

Tragic, yes. And one can criticize the availability of a gun, I suppose. Or one can say that had he kept on then the SRO might have at some point made a difference. But I do not put this in the same category as the other incidents, no.
 
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hog88 said:
Why, I don't understand? Is it because the weapon used doesn't fit your agenda? So let's just brush past this one.

I quess mass shootings are ok with the LGs of the world as long as no handguns or "assault" rifles were used.
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My thoughts exactly, after reading his post it was obvious the gun used wasn't a mean black rifle and of pistol
 
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lawgator1 said:
From all accounts this was some random kid who lost his mind over a disagreement with a teacher. He didn't plan it out, this wasn't a mass shooting incident. There's no dark history of mental health counselors and video games warping his mind for us to look into. From the looks of things, he got pissed off and just grabbed whatever gun was handy and showed up to vent his anger.

Tragic, yes. And one can criticize the availability of a gun, I suppose. Or one can say that had he kept on then the SRO might have at some point made a difference. But I do not put this in the same category as the other incidents, no.
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So once again, it doesn't fit your agenda of "bad black gun and bad first person shooters" so it's a non issue.
 
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lawgator1 said:
From all accounts this was some random kid who lost his mind over a disagreement with a teacher. He didn't plan it out, this wasn't a mass shooting incident. There's no dark history of mental health counselors and video games warping his mind for us to look into. From the looks of things, he got pissed off and just grabbed whatever gun was handy and showed up to vent his anger.

Tragic, yes. And one can criticize the availability of a gun, I suppose. Or one can say that had he kept on then the SRO might have at some point made a difference. But I do not put this in the same category as the other incidents, no.
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All of that moronic drivel when you could have just simply said, "yes it dosn't fit my agenda so I don't care".
 
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lawgator1 said:
I don't particularly view this incident as relevant to the pro or anti gun regulatory causes because a) the kid was using a shot gun, not a handgun or AR, which are the guns typically spoken of as needed more regulation; and b) theorizing that the kid shot himself because he was afraid of someone armed is speculation made of whole cloth.

I just don't think this incident has much to do with the debate we've been having here.
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I think it's still relevant, tryingto discout it just beacuse a pitol or AR platform wasn't used is ridiculous..
All fireams, in the wrong hands are dangerous..

The fact that a shotgun was used, just removes the journalistic sensationlism..
 
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lawgator1 said:
From all accounts this was some random kid who lost his mind over a disagreement with a teacher. He didn't plan it out, this wasn't a mass shooting incident. There's no dark history of mental health counselors and video games warping his mind for us to look into. From the looks of things, he got pissed off and just grabbed whatever gun was handy and showed up to vent his anger.

Tragic, yes. And one can criticize the availability of a gun, I suppose. Or one can say that had he kept on then the SRO might have at some point made a difference. But I do not put this in the same category as the other incidents, no.
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It might not have been what he planned, but he did plan for it. He had Molotov cocktails, one of which was lit, he also fired 5 shots. I will be amazed if the girl he shot lives. He shot her in the face at close range.
 
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lawgator1 said:
From all accounts this was some random kid who lost his mind over a disagreement with a teacher. He didn't plan it out, this wasn't a mass shooting incident. There's no dark history of mental health counselors and video games warping his mind for us to look into. From the looks of things, he got pissed off and just grabbed whatever gun was handy and showed up to vent his anger.

Tragic, yes. And one can criticize the availability of a gun, I suppose. Or one can say that had he kept on then the SRO might have at some point made a difference. But I do not put this in the same category as the other incidents, no.
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Couple of issues:

No history of mental instability, video games warping, etc that we know of right now. Remember, it took several days for the info to come out of Columbine and Sandy Hook. And a lot of it was misinformation at the start.

But you are wrong about the "category." A school shooting is a school shooting no matter if the perpetrator used a shogun, pistol, evil AR-15 or drove a tank in and started shooting. You cannot categorize one differently because of the method used. One just gets more sensational reporting by the biased media than others because of political agendas as Vol-in-AR stated.
 
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vol_in_ar said:
I think it's still relevant, tryingto discout it just beacuse a pitol or AR platform wasn't used is ridiculous..
All fireams, in the wrong hands are dangerous..

The fact that a shotgun was used, just removes the journalistic sensationlism..
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Grand Vol said:
Couple of issues:

No history of mental instability, video games warping, etc that we know of right now. Remember, it took several days for the info to come out of Columbine and Sandy Hook. And a lot of it was misinformation at the start.

But you are wrong about the "category." A school shooting is a school shooting no matter if the perpetrator used a shogun, pistol, evil AR-15 or drove a tank in and started shooting. You cannot categorize one differently because of the method used. One just gets more sensational reporting by the biased media than others because of political agendas as Vol-in-AR stated.
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Yes, the AR is going to get more media attention in a school shooting incident, but that is typically because the kid with the AR ends up killing a lot more kids than a guy with a shotgun can.

I mean, its not impossible. But the same kid, in the exact same situation, is simply going to get off a ton more shots with an AR than a shotgun.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Yes, the AR is going to get more media attention in a school shooting incident, but that is typically because the kid with the AR ends up killing a lot more kids than a guy with a shotgun can.

I mean, its not impossible. But the same kid, in the exact same situation, is simply going to get off a ton more shots with an AR than a shotgun.
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BS

My browning a-5 shoots as fast as my AR.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Yes, the AR is going to get more media attention in a school shooting incident, but that is typically because the kid with the AR ends up killing a lot more kids than a guy with a shotgun can.

I mean, its not impossible. But the same kid, in the exact same situation, is simply going to get off a ton more shots with an AR than a shotgun.
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And you are basing this theory on...? How many school shootings have we had where an AR-15 was used? Oh yeah, just one.

Sandy Hook ended up the way it did since that bastard trapped those kids in a classroom and went on his murder spree. If he had a pistol or a shotgun, the outcome wouldn't have been any different.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Yes, the AR is going to get more media attention in a school shooting incident, but that is typically because the kid with the AR ends up killing a lot more kids than a guy with a shotgun can.

I mean, its not impossible. But the same kid, in the exact same situation, is simply going to get off a ton more shots with an AR than a shotgun.
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LG's ignorance on display again.

A semi-automatic shotgun will fire just as fast as a semi-automatic rifle. The advantage goes to the shotgun as you don't have to be a good shot to score hits with the shotgun.
 
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