Scared play calling..

#26
#26
alwaysvol said:
its not like we completly stopped throwing the ball after the 2ints, we just didn't have much success. plus Poole deserves to have his touches. he had 23 rushes last night.
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Bingo. I thought we continued to throw the bowl significantly in the second half. We just didn't have a lot of success.
 
#27
#27
I was highly disappointed that the coaches decided to throw 2 straight times with us up 17-3 with about 5:30-6 minutes left. The two in completions allowed Vandy to get the ball back with ample time to easily score twice and made us still have to have a first down there at the end to secure the win; also allowed them to not use any of their timeouts. That's really the only complaint I had, they didn't manage the clock or play the percentages very well near the end. However, I guessed the score before the game so it wasn't surprising and I didn't expect us to win by 50.
 
#28
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ihateflorida said:
Are you pissed? Im only disappointed. Not because we didnt score 50, because I heard my coach say he was scared to call the plays the we are normally the most successful with. Im elated that we won the game!
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It sounds like a coaching issue to me.

Vandy's D obviously scouted us well and knew what we ran best on offense and planned accordingly to stop us. All coordinators occasionally come up against schemes they don't see all the time get shut down by them. Its their job to make adjust and call different plays and then it's the team's job to execute them.

This is Jim Chaney's first year calling plays in a while, there was an article about it earlier this year. Maybe he's still trying to figure out what works best again the zones Vandy played last night.
 
#29
#29
ihateflorida said:
I knew it, you probably knew it, and at least DD admitted it. Poor coaching IMO. Just because you make a mistake or two doesnt mean you bail out on what you do best. Whats next, just let teams make first downs so we dont have to catch any punts? Been behind DD all along but he, as much as the team, must make some improvements this off season. Just my 2 cents.
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from game to game, what you do best might not work everytime. then you try to adjust to what your kids may do best that day. sometimes, nothing they try that day turns out. that happens with experienced teams and older teams. Happens more frequently with younger teams.

Just like you have bad days at work, football players and coaches have bad days "at work".
 
#30
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ihateflorida said:
Not just my opinion. When the coach comes out and says that spreading the ball around with the passing game is what your best at, dont abandon it. Youve surely heard DD and many others say that our biggest strength is on the outside.
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You expect him to come out and say, "I don't have confidence in these players to make the plays-they screw up too much." ?
 
#32
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ihateflorida said:
Completely agree. I just dont like it when the coach says he gets scared to call plays because of a couple of mistakes. Especially if its what you claim to be your best mode of attack.
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I agree with you. I wouldn't put it in the Phil and Johnny category, but we definitely tucked some of our best plays back into the playbook after the second pick. Bray made a couple of lousy throws but he didn't seem rattled.

The other curiosity for me was that Dooley actually answered the question why we didn't run well with the statement, "we're not a very good running team."
 
#33
#33
Do you honestly not think maybe we should of gone away from it? The defense deserved to get a break yesterday and Bray was not giving it to them.
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#35
#35
ihateflorida said:
I dont know why he would stop. He says it every day about our punt returners.
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Well, that's because everyone can see the ball lying on the ground so it's not exactly an secret admission. He won't say that he (and Chaney) are afraid to run some plays because they don't have confidence in these young guys to execute with the game in doubt. That's what their problem is. With five to seven freshmen playing offense at times, all it takes is one or two of them to miss a block, run a wrong route....etc. I'm just saying that's what the problem really is.
 
#36
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bUTrosbUTrosVOLie said:
Well, that's because everyone can see the ball lying on the ground so it's not exactly an secret admission. He won't say that he (and Chaney) are afraid to run some plays because they don't have confidence in these young guys to execute with the game in doubt. That's what their problem is. With five to seven freshmen playing offense at times, all it takes is one or two of them to miss a block, run a wrong route....etc. I'm just saying that's what the problem really is.
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Everyone knows were young. I just want a coach who is aggressive. Ive had enough of the Fulmer / Jeff Fisher type football to last me for at least a few more years.
 
#37
#37
You're making a theoretical argument about something that took place in a very practical context. The fact is that we had a two-score lead against an offense that looked like it was never going to score any points that we didn't give it. Why would you doggedly "stick with what you do best" when what you supposedly do best has resulted in turnovers -- in a game when turnovers are probably the only thing that can beat you? That's not "scared play calling"; that's prudence, awareness of the situation, and playing to win the game. Why stubbornly stuck with the gameplan and give Bray a chance to throw a pick-six that puts you in a situation where one play will beat you?
 
#38
#38
Maybe he could have thrown 4 interceptions. OP sounds like the typical armchair QBs who doesn't have a clue. He wants to fill the air with passes and little else. I trust the coaches' judgment over some complaining outsider. The break away TD at the end and burning the clock proved the coaches were correct.
 
#39
#39
Bottom line is Bray and coaches weren't patient. We knew they would give us a lot underneath, but we have racked up points and yds the previous two weeks by pitching the ball deep. Vandy's goal was to not give up the long passes and when Bray was pressured, he still tried to force a few throws. He did the same thing against Memphis, but they simply don't have talented enough players to make the plays; against Vandy, they're INTs
 
#40
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ihateflorida said:
He made two bad throws. Many good throws, no need to lose faith IMO
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Bray was 4 for 13 with 2 picks to end the game after starting 12 for 14.
I'm sure Dooley and Chaney will sit in the video room and argue about it and both be partially right.
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#41
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Vercingetorix said:
You're making a theoretical argument about something that took place in a very practical context. The fact is that we had a two-score lead against an offense that looked like it was never going to score any points that we didn't give it. Why would you doggedly "stick with what you do best" when what you supposedly do best has resulted in turnovers -- in a game when turnovers are probably the only thing that can beat you? That's not "scared play calling"; that's prudence, awareness of the situation, and playing to win the game. Why stubbornly stuck with the gameplan and give Bray a chance to throw a pick-six that puts you in a situation where one play will beat you?
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When the coach says he was scared to call plays, I call that scared play calling. Yes you take a chance in throwing an INT, you also take a chance on throwing a TD. If you want to score, you run what you do best. If you want to sit on a lead, you hand off and hope you dont fumble. I know we still threw the ball some, but only safe passes.
 
#43
#43
ihateflorida said:
Everyone knows were young. I just want a coach who is aggressive. Ive had enough of the Fulmer / Jeff Fisher type football to last me for at least a few more years.
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You've GOT a coach who's aggressive. There's no other way to look at it....if you've been watching. He's not foolish, though. The only time passes (sometimes two out of three plays) weren't called with the game on the line was our very last possession....inside Vandy's 40 (last play was from the 28) with 1:29 left.
 
#44
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ihateflorida said:
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When the coach says he was scared to call plays, I call that scared play calling. Yes you take a chance in throwing an INT, you also take a chance on throwing a TD. If you want to score, you run what you do best. If you want to sit on a lead, you hand off and hope you dont fumble. I know we still threw the ball some, but only safe passes.
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So the passes didn't suit you. Now I think we've come to the heart of the problem. You could call better plays yourself and just will the players to get open every single time. :lolabove:
 
#45
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Vercingetorix said:
You're making a theoretical argument about something that took place in a very practical context. The fact is that we had a two-score lead against an offense that looked like it was never going to score any points that we didn't give it. Why would you doggedly "stick with what you do best" when what you supposedly do best has resulted in turnovers -- in a game when turnovers are probably the only thing that can beat you? That's not "scared play calling"; that's prudence, awareness of the situation, and playing to win the game. Why stubbornly stuck with the gameplan and give Bray a chance to throw a pick-six that puts you in a situation where one play will beat you?
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It is pointless. If Bray would have thrown 4 interceptions, they would complain coaches are not flexible enough to make adjustments. Or, it is the 1st grade mentality that LOVES to see the ball in the air.

Bray and receivers were not having a good night. We were ahead and doing what was needed to win the game. If we were behind, I would say put the ball in the air, but we win the game and that is good enough for me.
 
#46
#46
EZE said:
Bingo. I thought we continued to throw the bowl significantly in the second half. We just didn't have a lot of success.
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No wonder, Bray was recruited to throw footballs, not bowls.

Is Dooley aware of this?
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#47
#47
bUTrosbUTrosVOLie said:
You've GOT a coach who's aggressive. There's no other way to look at it....if you've been watching. He's not foolish, though. The only time passes (sometimes two out of three plays) weren't called with the game on the line was our very last possession....inside Vandy's 40 (last play was from the 28) with 1:29 left.
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I'll finish by saying this: Thank God we got another win. In my opinion the biggest reason we didnt win more impressively is because the coaches got scared. Not because the players werent playing well enough to do it. I hope the team earns the coaches respect more in the future so that I dont ever have to hear him say he was scared to call a play again. GBO, go DD!!!!! All just my opinion, no facts here!
 
#48
#48
Tennessee didn't give a damn out there. The playcalling was just fine IMO. It's just that everyone played like a bunch of zombies out there.
 
#49
#49
volroadwarrior said:
Maybe he could have thrown 4 interceptions. OP sounds like the typical armchair QBs who doesn't have a clue. He wants to fill the air with passes and little else. I trust the coaches' judgment over some complaining outsider. The break away TD at the end and burning the clock proved the coaches were correct.
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This is so far from the truth. You dont want to even go there, if you do, better pack your lunch. For the record, i'd love to see us just run it down everyones throat, nothing would make me happier.
 
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ihateflorida said:
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When the coach says he was scared to call plays, I call that scared play calling. Yes you take a chance in throwing an INT, you also take a chance on throwing a TD. If you want to score, you run what you do best. If you want to sit on a lead, you hand off and hope you dont fumble. I know we still threw the ball some, but only safe passes.
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Again, it's about the context of the game. We were in a game where the risk of an INT far outweighed the benefit of an additional TD, because we almost certainly already had enough points to win the game. Vandy's offense is so bad that we could have just run the ball into the line three times and punted on every possession and won. Why risk the INT at all with a freshman QB that has no conscience about throwing into coverage? Go conservative, let the nimrods in the stands boo, and get out of town with the W. We aren't good enough to care about style points.

In general I agree with your points about trying to sit on a lead, but Vanderbilt's offense is so horrific that it's the exception to the rule. That's a team that had no chance to come back unless we helped them out.
 
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