Same old story for Tennessee

#54
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Jdh13579 said:
Assuming we win out our wins will consist of bowling green, north Texas, western Carolina, South Carolina, vandy, mizzou, Kentucky, and unranked disappointing Georgia without their only game changing player. bowl game doesn't mean much because it will be a lame bowl against a team like us who is playing for nothing. Now we get to go through another long offseason about how close we are and vol fans favorite phrase "but next year"... We still haven't beat Florida for a decade, Bama for damn near a decade and will end the year with zero impressive wins. Love butch to death and believe in him and his recruiting because I don't have a choice but this movie is getting so old and it's becoming embarrassing to be a life long Vols fan. We're the equivalent to the Dallas Cowboys who I hate- great stadium, great tradition, hype every year and known for laying an egg. I'm tired of being the national chatter champions. We've been full of excuses for 15 years and haven't won an sec title for almost 20 years. Put up or shut up next year and save the excuses. Sorry to be negative but it's the gods honest truth and it's coming from a die hard lifelong Vols fan.
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Jdh13579 said:
You're not allowed to say negative things about Tennessee even if they're true. This is volnation.. Only excuses and moral victories allowed. Lol
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Basically, you're still disappointed over the blown 4th quarter leads vs Oklahoma and Florida. Yeah, all Vol fans are and we should have had those. The season would have a much different feel to it now if we had taken care of business in the last 5 minutes of those games but that was two months ago. Get over it. That does not change the fact that this is not the same Tennessee season that we sat through from '10-'14... and Georgia has recruited just as well as we have since Jones took over. Anyone who will disparage that victory is just trying to be negative. That was a quality win.
 
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Same argument has gone on all year. I think Butch is as good of a coach as Tenn can / will be able to hire. With that said, I know many fans are wondering why Tenn doesn't just go hire a coach who can win at least an SEC title. I think fans from So Cal, Neb, Mich, Miami, Texas, Colorado, etc are also asking. There are lots of schools with money to hire coaches but few coaches that are in a league by themselves and almost a guaranteed championship coach. I posted this statement in another post and it is even truer today. 128 FBS schools. Only 5 undefeated remaining. Just a few more with only 1 loss and Tenn has lost to 3 of those teams.
Also, I think Dobbs can be electrifying but not a very good passer.
 
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govols2008 said:
We have easily the worst fan base in the country.
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That is true. When CBJ wins the SEC title, I want all these negavols on hear to come on here and admit they are idiots. Anyone that can't see how much CBJ has improved this program and that we are on track to win the SEC next year, they are either blind or just don't want to see it.
 
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GBO119 said:
That is true. When CBJ wins the SEC title, I want all these negavols on hear to come on here and admit they are idiots. Anyone that can't see how much CBJ has improved this program and that we are on track to win the SEC next year, they are either blind or just don't want to see it.
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how long does he have to win the SEC title? If he finally wins it in 2024, am I supposed to come back and say I was an idiot?

Will 2024 be enough bricks? Will that team have enough focus?
 
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Jdh13579 said:
Assuming we win out our wins will consist of bowling green, north Texas, western Carolina, South Carolina, vandy, mizzou, Kentucky, and unranked disappointing Georgia without their only game changing player. bowl game doesn't mean much because it will be a lame bowl against a team like us who is playing for nothing. Now we get to go through another long offseason about how close we are and vol fans favorite phrase "but next year"... We still haven't beat Florida for a decade, Bama for damn near a decade and will end the year with zero impressive wins. Love butch to death and believe in him and his recruiting because I don't have a choice but this movie is getting so old and it's becoming embarrassing to be a life long Vols fan. We're the equivalent to the Dallas Cowboys who I hate- great stadium, great tradition, hype every year and known for laying an egg. I'm tired of being the national chatter champions. We've been full of excuses for 15 years and haven't won an sec title for almost 20 years. Put up or shut up next year and save the excuses. Sorry to be negative but it's the gods honest truth and it's coming from a die hard lifelong Vols fan.
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Don't let the screen door hit ya where the Good Lord split ya. If we went 0-12, I would never be embarrassed to be a Tennessee Vol. NEVER!!!!
 
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volfanbill said:
how long does he have to win the SEC title? If he finally wins it in 2024, am I supposed to come back and say I was an idiot?

Will 2024 be enough bricks? Will that team have enough focus?
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5-6 years IMO.

Fulmer won SEC in his 5th season. SEC and BCS in his 6th year.
 
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I swear to God, why can't some people just enjoy the journey? The positive steps, progress, and improvement that this program HAS made since Coach Jones took over is absolutely un refutable! Anyone who cannot see the progress is simply choosing to ignore it in order for their perspective to better fit their own curmudgeonous opinion!
 
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GAVol said:
That's worked out fine for Les Miles.
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Miles is 110-31 at LSU, in the SEC West. There ain't nothing "big East" about that record and there's just no way to equate Jones to Miles at this point in any way, shape, form or fashion.
 
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KBVol said:
Miles is 110-31 at LSU, in the SEC West. There ain't nothing "big East" about that record and there's just no way to equate Jones to Miles at this point in any way, shape, form or fashion.
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it baffles me that people still act like Miles is smoke and mirrors, or "sold his soul to the devil". At some point, his continued success has to prove he's a pretty good coach.
 
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GBO119 said:
That is true. When CBJ wins the SEC title, I want all these negavols on hear to come on here and admit they are idiots. Anyone that can't see how much CBJ has improved this program and that we are on track to win the SEC next year, they are either blind or just don't want to see it.
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Gladly.

How about when Butch is shown the door without winning an SEC title, all you worshipers and sheep come admit that you were blinded and that you worshiped a guy that was full of cliches and talk...
 
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#72
Whether you like CBJ or not, there's no question that it's not the "same old story at Tennessee". Not if that same old story, as it has been since Fulmer's final days, is 6 years (using 2009-2014 as the reference mark) of frustration punctuated by several humiliating losses on the conference and national stage. No...CBJ has clearly raised the talent level at UT by several notches, and this year, for the first time in a long time, UT has led in every one of their games, and has not been "thumped" by anyone. Well, yet (tossing the NegaVols a bone here).

For the first time in a long time, UT will go bowling for the 2nd year in a row. Every streak has to start somewhere, and there's every reason to believe that UT is back in the bowl game for now, and the foreseeable future. Not the same old story.

On the other hand, there is concern, and rightfully so at some of the decisions this staff has made in critical situations. At least one, and possibly more of those calls probably cost us a victory. Then there's Josh Dobbs: a talented baller who can amaze you with his feet, and give you an ulcer with his arm. He's doing the best he can, and that's all you can ask of him. You can win in the SEC without a blue chip QB, but all of the other pieces of a championship team have to be in place. We're not there, yet.

Injuries have hurt this team. Injuries happen. But when you're "one and a half deep" across the board, as this team is, then injuries can spell the difference between a close win, and a close loss.

If I had a legitimate gripe about this team, and I believe I do, it's in-game coaching and player development. You can't teach speed, but you can teach just about everything else. And please...please...can we get rid of the "3 times up the middle and then punt" when we're nursing a late lead? It's not working, and it's not fooling anyone. Time for a new plan in that situation.

Two games left, and then a bowl. Personally, I think the litmus test for this staff, for this season, will be how they handle what will be a very emotional scene in Columbia, and then a season finale at home against a Vandy team that is our equivalent of a very persistent case of the 'roids. Two games, and a lot hanging in the balance for Team 119. If CBJ wants to silence his critics, he has three remaining games in which to cue the crickets for the offseason.

As for me, I think changes are needed on the staff. The UF game did it for me. Let me point out that I am still a rabid Vol fan; I still support UT; and I cheer for the Vols to win every game. I just no longer let what UT does (or doesn't do) on Saturdays ruin my day, week, or year. The yard still has to get mowed.

Call me a fence-sitter if you will, but I reserve the right to praise this staff when they call a good game, and also to question them when they toss a head-scratcher. They get paid a lot of money to win football games. I'm a stockholder. I can and will call them out when they make bad decisions that affect my investment.

Flame away.

Go Vols.
 
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Jdh13579 said:
That's my point. How embarrassing is it to be excited and proud of going to a bowl... This is tennessee not Kentucky.
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From Butch's first year, to his second, to his third, we clearly are progressing and getting better, and the 4th one next year should be something special.

But some people belong to the whining tantrum "I got to have it NOW" generation. I feel sorry for them. :jpshakehead:
 
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volfanbill said:
how long does he have to win the SEC title? If he finally wins it in 2024, am I supposed to come back and say I was an idiot?

Will 2024 be enough bricks? Will that team have enough focus?
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It took Johnny Majors 9 years and he started with better talent than Butch...but it only took Fulmer 5 years so let's see if Butch can get us there in 2017...
 
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