Sal=3-4=confusion=Great O dejected= process sabatoged

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I don't think it was the best year to try to implement it, but the last two years, we didn't have the personnel to be able to do it. If you were going to move to it, it was better to do it this year, then the past two. There was bound to be some difficulties with a new DC regardless of what style of play there was.
 
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We have a "solid" offense, would stop short of calling it "great". Defense is borderline pathetic obviously.

Its a leadership problem and an on the field discipline discipline problem more than a scheme or talent problem.
 
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bcartervol98 said:
We have a "solid" offense, would stop short of calling it "great". Defense is borderline pathetic obviously.

Its a leadership problem and an on the field discipline discipline problem more than a scheme or talent problem.
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I call it excellent, awesome

has a great chance to be the best of all time.
 
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bcartervol98 said:
We have a "solid" offense, would stop short of calling it "great". Defense is borderline pathetic obviously.

Its a leadership problem and an on the field discipline discipline problem more than a scheme or talent problem.
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on the field discipline as opposed to off the field...

they should know how to do it but they are just not disciplined enough on the field

but the scheme?

thats the players fault?
 
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UTVOLKeith said:
on the field discipline as opposed to off the field...

they should know how to do it but they are just not disciplined enough on the field

but the scheme?

thats the players fault?
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Look at what the former D players said about it, then get back to me. They do not believe, in about anything, and especially in each other.
 
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TNHopeful505 said:
I don't think it was the best year to try to implement it, but the last two years, we didn't have the personnel to be able to do it. If you were going to move to it, it was better to do it this year, then the past two. There was bound to be some difficulties with a new DC regardless of what style of play there was.
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The problem i see is Dooley has been recruiting these 3 years for players who can play a 4-3 defense. Now we are trying to run a 3-4 defense. They all have to learn new assigments. If we kept the same defense as last year a 4-3 defense and a new proven defense cord. We might be undefeated right now. :dunno:
 
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UTVOLKeith said:
maybe you can't read numbers?

only you can read and write words

ok
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I read fine, if we finish with our current average of 38 ppg it would rank 3rd all time, but the thing is we are only half way through the season, that average will come down significantly these next two weeks.

I just have a hard time saying anything with the Vols right now is the "best of all time".
 
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bcartervol98 said:
I read fine, if we finish with our current average of 38 ppg it would rank 3rd all time, but the thing is we are only half way through the season, that average will come down significantly these next two weeks.

I just have a hard time saying anything with the Vols right now is the "best of all time".
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Our ineffectiveness might be at an all-time high.
 
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bcartervol98 said:
I read fine, if we finish with our current average of 38 ppg it would rank 3rd all time, but the thing is we are only half way through the season, that average will come down significantly these next two weeks.

I just have a hard time saying anything with the Vols right now is the "best of all time".
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if the D had not been sabatoged you would be...

bama should have been the only true test to this point
 
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UTVOLKeith said:
former D players?

under Sal, satan, cox, monte, chavis...

what?
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Robert Peace: our defense is complicated but there appears to be a lack of trust between the players. That's typically why players are out of position in a 3-4. He was very hesitant to comment on the coaching but referred to lack of playmakers making big plays.

Leonard Little: he suggested almost the same exact thing. He said our players have no trust in each other. Felt that AJ is the one standout playmaker. He cited the lack of discipline and lack of trust several times and felt like if we cant trust each other this defense won't work. He recollected back when he was playing, everyone on his defense KNEW the other guy had their backs and they had totally confidence that everyone would do their job every single play. Said 3-4 is complex but not that tough as long as everyone does their job, specifically.
 
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bcartervol98 said:
Robert Peace: our defense is complicated but there appears to be a lack of trust between the players. That's typically why players are out of position in a 3-4. He was very hesitant to comment on the coaching but referred to lack of playmakers making big plays.

Leonard Little: he suggested almost the same exact thing. He said our players have no trust in each other. Felt that AJ is the one standout playmaker. He cited the lack of discipline and lack of trust several times and felt like if we cant trust each other this defense won't work. He recollected back when he was playing, everyone on his defense KNEW the other guy had their backs and they had totally confidence that everyone would do their job every single play. Said 3-4 is complex but not that tough as long as everyone does their job, specifically.
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thanks man

really i do appreciate it

but that makes my point

? for you > are they challenged in practice?

or does the lack of trust just show up in the game?


what about a lack or effort?

did Peace and Little see that?
 
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rickyyrs said:
The problem i see is Dooley has been recruiting these 3 years for players who can play a 4-3 defense. Now we are trying to run a 3-4 defense. They all have to learn new assigments. If we kept the same defense as last year a 4-3 defense and a new proven defense cord. We might be undefeated right now. :dunno:
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Dont know a lot of the guts of football but the 3-4 & 4-3 cant be THAT different & hard to learn, can it?
 
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bcartervol98 said:
Robert Peace: our defense is complicated but there appears to be a lack of trust between the players. That's typically why players are out of position in a 3-4. He was very hesitant to comment on the coaching but referred to lack of playmakers making big plays.

Leonard Little: he suggested almost the same exact thing. He said our players have no trust in each other. Felt that AJ is the one standout playmaker. He cited the lack of discipline and lack of trust several times and felt like if we cant trust each other this defense won't work. He recollected back when he was playing, everyone on his defense KNEW the other guy had their backs and they had totally confidence that everyone would do their job every single play. Said 3-4 is complex but not that tough as long as everyone does their job, specifically.
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It used to kill me when Little (or one of the others on D) would pick up 15 yard penalty but they were a bunch of crazed dogs compared to this bunch. I miss it.
 
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bcartervol98 said:
We have a "solid" offense, would stop short of calling it "great". Defense is borderline pathetic obviously.

Its a leadership problem and an on the field discipline discipline problem more than a scheme or talent problem.
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Hate to break this to you but Alabama has much more talent than the Vols especially on defense. Tenn's DBs are slow as molasses.
 
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volboy81 said:
Dont know a lot of the guts of football but the 3-4 & 4-3 cant be THAT different & hard to learn, can it?
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In the short version...

Yes, it can be that difficult.

Lots of variables to change and adjust to on more than one level.

That being said, I expected our D to struggle a bit this year, BUT-I did not expect it to be this bad. There are times they look great and the "orange kool-aid" is telling me we are on track....and then 3rd and 8 comes up and it looks like the local middle school trying to play D out there....
 
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We bleed orange and bama is still the best team in the country! There fore I say we whip out the whooping stick and knock saban back down the mighty Tennessee river without a paddle!
 
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volboy81 said:
Dont know a lot of the guts of football but the 3-4 & 4-3 cant be THAT different & hard to learn, can it?
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a 34 is a total departure for the front 7 and every role in the front 7 is quite different. this is why defensive front 7 guys can drop so far in the draft. It is one reason mount Cody dropped so far.. most of the 3-4 teams high in the draft didn't need a nose tackle which is an entirely different position with an entirely different role than a 4-3 DT.

Very few players "fit" in both defenses thats why a lot of time in the NFL you see a guy get traded from one defense to another and go from scrub to all pro and vice versa. Albert Haynesworth and Johnathan Vilma are great examples of both sides of that coin.

Our current personnel is at a crossroads. they fit a 3-4 ok not perfect for it but they "fit" the problem is all the veterans know a 4-3 and it is a big transition. I think it is more they don't trust themselves than each other. A year in and this defense will be impressive.

Also about the offense. If we end the year averaging over 30 a game with this schedule the offense will fit the mold of great the problem is I don't see it unless the big 3 get their heads out of their arses. Bray needs to learn to check down and the 2 WR's need to focus on catching the ball instead of planning how they will take it to the house. Sad that Z'ro (who I have gotten a lot of flack for defending the past few years) is our most dependable WR this year.
 
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pimo1 said:
a 34 is a total departure for the front 7 and every role in the front 7 is quite different. this is why defensive front 7 guys can drop so far in the draft. It is one reason mount Cody dropped so far.. most of the 3-4 teams high in the draft didn't need a nose tackle which is an entirely different position with an entirely different role than a 4-3 DT.

Very few players "fit" in both defenses thats why a lot of time in the NFL you see a guy get traded from one defense to another and go from scrub to all pro and vice versa. Albert Haynesworth and Johnathan Vilma are great examples of both sides of that coin.

Our current personnel is at a crossroads. they fit a 3-4 ok not perfect for it but they "fit" the problem is all the veterans know a 4-3 and it is a big transition. I think it is more they don't trust themselves than each other. A year in and this defense will be impressive.

Also about the offense. If we end the year averaging over 30 a game with this schedule the offense will fit the mold of great the problem is I don't see it unless the big 3 get their heads out of their arses. Bray needs to learn to check down and the 2 WR's need to focus on catching the ball instead of planning how they will take it to the house. Sad that Z'ro (who I have gotten a lot of flack for defending the past few years) is our most dependable WR this year.
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Nice post very intelligent but we will average closer to 40

thanks pimp1
 
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