Safety shouldn't have counted - Ejection for roughing-the-passer instead

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goldvol said:
This is just for football discussion, and I am not trying to make excuses. In my opinion, Refs really missed this call, but you can understand they were likely looking at the pass, since this HIT comes so late. Clearly a late hit on Aguilar where his body lands on top of him and his hands hit Aguilars helmet, well after the throw while he's on the ground. Easily could have been roughing the passer / targeting with an ejection.

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Ball is out of the screen. #31 is coming in for the HIT from the left


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full 1 second later - full on Superman flying through the air. Notice how #42 is moving away to celebrate.
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two seconds later, lands full body, hands on his helmet
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hands clearly on Aguilars head



Here's ChatGPT thought's - thinks shouldnt have been a safety. (I am not sure if it is after the play / dead ball foul. Yes. I am aware it's a judgement call; and it's a badly missed judgement call.)


In NCAA football, if there is:


  • Intentional grounding by the offense in their own end zone (which would normally result in a safety),
  • AND there is a roughing the passer penalty by the defense on the same play,

then the roughing the passer penalty would negate the intentional grounding, and no safety would be assessed.



Here's how the rules apply:​


  • Roughing the passer is a personal foul by the defense.
  • Intentional grounding is a live-ball foul by the offense.

Under NCAA rules, when fouls by both teams occur during the same live-ball period (i.e., before the play ends), it's typically treated as offsetting penalties — the down is replayed, and the result of the play is nullified.


However, if the defensive foul (roughing the passer) occurs before the offensive foul (intentional grounding), the defensive penalty would take precedence, and the grounding would be ignored.


But in most cases — and certainly how it's officiated — roughing the passer will override the intentional grounding penalty because you cannot penalize the offense for a throw under duress when a roughing foul occurred.



Final Ruling:​


  • Roughing the passer is enforced.
  • Intentional grounding is disregarded.
  • 15-yard penalty against the defense and an automatic first down for the offense.
  • No safety.
I think ChatGPT is a little confused because it’s considering the Roughing prior to the grounding. Would it matter when the ball hits the ground and then be a dead ball foul?
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Regardless, that play should have never been called. But since it was, he had 2 guys open that he easitcould have dumped the ball off to and chose not to do it. Regardless, it was a horrible play call and JA had 2 diff options to get rid of the ball and get a few yards. I guess it could have been called, but it would have been a ticky tack call. I'm fine with no call, we had a few different options to have not gotten to that.
 
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#131
bamawriter said:
Sorry your team didn't get bailed out by a nothing burger that had zero impact on the result of the play.
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While I agree and Aguilar had 2 different players he could have dumped the ball off to, this had nothing to do with the final score. Me personally, I hear Ala fans constantly bitch about refs and I refuse to fall to y'all's level. Refs don't win or lose games .But, in saying that..Why are you here? For the life of me, I can't understand my life every being so bad that I've gotta hang on a rivals board. Hell, I live amongst you asshats daily, I damn sure don't wanna dumb myself down and try to speak trailer park trash regularly on a message board.
 
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jasonvol18 said:
While I agree and Aguilar had 2 different players he could have dumped the ball off to, this had nothing to do with the final score. Me personally, I hear Ala fans constantly bitch about refs and I refuse to fall to y'all's level. Refs don't win or lose games .But, in saying that..Why are you here? For the life of me, I can't understand my life every being so bad that I've gotta hang on a rivals board. Hell, I live amongst you asshats daily, I damn sure don't wanna dumb myself down and try to speak trailer park trash regularly on a message board.
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And here you are…..


JK…….We know what you meant. On an Alabama forum:)
 
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bamawriter said:
You are desperately seeking something that isn't there. By the time Aguilar hits the deck, Keeley has already started his lunge.
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It’s ok. It’s like I tell my kids, you don’t always have to point out to someone that they are wrong unless it really matters. Sometimes you just let them be wrong and move on. So keep believing that you are right.
 
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Jaxon_Vol2017 said:
Funny you weren't over here running your mouth this much after last years game. This is exactly why EVERYONE hates Alabama fans. Most arrogant group of jack asses on the planet.
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Gotta push back a little. Bama fans tend to be arrogant, but they do have the trophy case to back it up. At LEAST they don't demand constant affirmation and adulation like uga fans crave and desire.
 
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goldvol said:
Another interesting thought-- while roughing-the-passer is a judgement call and not-reviewable:
1. Targeting fouls are able to be reviewed
2. Roughing the passer can have targeting, as is the case here.

In this case, Coach Heupel would share some culpability, because he could have noticed this and appealed for a review. Any good coach, think Kirby Smart, is getting in the ear of the ref and getting what they want. No, it's not guaranteed they would have reviewed it, but would be nice to see Heupel fired up at the ref for not reviewing it, and then filing a complaint after the game.
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Kirby gets the call and an extra timeout for his troubles.
 
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