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This is just for football discussion, and I am not trying to make excuses. In my opinion, Refs really missed this call, but you can understand they were likely looking at the pass, since this HIT comes so late. Clearly a late hit on Aguilar where his body lands on top of him and his hands hit Aguilars helmet, well after the throw while he's on the ground. Easily could have been roughing the passer / targeting with an ejection.
Ball is out of the screen. #31 is coming in for the HIT from the left
full 1 second later - full on Superman flying through the air. Notice how #42 is moving away to celebrate.
two seconds later, lands full body, hands on his helmet
hands clearly on Aguilars head
Here's ChatGPT thought's - thinks shouldnt have been a safety. (I am not sure if it is after the play / dead ball foul. Yes. I am aware it's a judgement call; and it's a badly missed judgement call.)
In NCAA football, if there is:
then the roughing the passer penalty would negate the intentional grounding, and no safety would be assessed.
Under NCAA rules, when fouls by both teams occur during the same live-ball period (i.e., before the play ends), it's typically treated as offsetting penalties — the down is replayed, and the result of the play is nullified.
However, if the defensive foul (roughing the passer) occurs before the offensive foul (intentional grounding), the defensive penalty would take precedence, and the grounding would be ignored.
But in most cases — and certainly how it's officiated — roughing the passer will override the intentional grounding penalty because you cannot penalize the offense for a throw under duress when a roughing foul occurred.
Ball is out of the screen. #31 is coming in for the HIT from the left
full 1 second later - full on Superman flying through the air. Notice how #42 is moving away to celebrate.
two seconds later, lands full body, hands on his helmet
hands clearly on Aguilars head
Here's ChatGPT thought's - thinks shouldnt have been a safety. (I am not sure if it is after the play / dead ball foul. Yes. I am aware it's a judgement call; and it's a badly missed judgement call.)
In NCAA football, if there is:
- Intentional grounding by the offense in their own end zone (which would normally result in a safety),
- AND there is a roughing the passer penalty by the defense on the same play,
then the roughing the passer penalty would negate the intentional grounding, and no safety would be assessed.
Here's how the rules apply:
- Roughing the passer is a personal foul by the defense.
- Intentional grounding is a live-ball foul by the offense.
Under NCAA rules, when fouls by both teams occur during the same live-ball period (i.e., before the play ends), it's typically treated as offsetting penalties — the down is replayed, and the result of the play is nullified.
However, if the defensive foul (roughing the passer) occurs before the offensive foul (intentional grounding), the defensive penalty would take precedence, and the grounding would be ignored.
But in most cases — and certainly how it's officiated — roughing the passer will override the intentional grounding penalty because you cannot penalize the offense for a throw under duress when a roughing foul occurred.
Final Ruling:
- Roughing the passer is enforced.
- Intentional grounding is disregarded.
- 15-yard penalty against the defense and an automatic first down for the offense.
- No safety.
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