Saban, NIL, Commission Appointment

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Nick Saban to Take Major College Sports Commission Role as POTUS Announces Executive NIL Action​


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I've been saying repeatedly for over a year (and Josh Pate said it the other day), that Congress is the only body that has the authority to make national rules for college sports now, IF we intend on saving college sports in any recognizable form.

This is a good way to start down that path, have someone as respected as Coach Saban head up a commission of knowledgeable people representing the various interests who can get together and recommend an anti-trust exemption to Congress that represents a reasonable compromise and provides for revenue sharing for athletes in exchange for governing authority over all the various issues. The Alston Supreme Court case holding that the NCAA's prior business model violated Antitrust is what opened Pandora's box, but Congress has the power to resolve that issue, SCOTUS said so themselves:

From the 9-0 Opinion of the Court in Alston:

"The “orderly way” to temper that Act's policy of competition is “by legislation and not by court decision.” Flood, 407 U.S. at 279, 92 S.Ct. 2099. The NCAA is free to argue that, “because of the special characteristics of [its] particular industry,” it should be exempt from the usual operation of the antitrust laws—but that appeal is “properly addressed to Congress.” National Soc. of Professional Engineers, 435 U.S. at 689, 98 S.Ct. 1355. Nor has Congress been insensitive to such requests. It has modified the antitrust laws for certain industries in the past, and it may do so again in the future. See, e.g., 7 U.S.C. §§ 291–292 (agricultural cooperatives); 15 U.S.C. §§ 1011–1013 (insurance); 15 U.S.C. §§ 1801–1804 (newspaper joint operating agreements). But until Congress says otherwise, the only law it has asked us to enforce is the Sherman Act, and that law is predicated on one assumption alone—“competition is the best method of allocating resources” in the Nation's economy. National Soc. of Professional Engineers, 435 U.S. at 695, 98 S.Ct. 1355."

Nat'l Collegiate Athletic Ass'n v. Alston, 594 U.S. 69, 96, 141 S. Ct. 2141, 2160, 210 L. Ed. 2d 314 (2021)

The House settlement is not a long term solution either. That settlement can give the NCAA grace/release them for past Antitrust violations, but it's not going to work in terms of setting rules. There is no way the current class members can bind all future players to the settlement terms, that will get struck down.

The employment model is not a solution either, unless you are ready to kiss all the non-revenue sports good bye and see football and basketball break away from the Universities and just become minor league sports leagues. Having Vols, Inc. play its games leased in Neyland Stadium is the best we can hope for, there will be no recruiting, just a draft. College sports as we know it will be dead. If that's what you want, fine, but that's the cost of Congress doing nothing.
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
I've been saying repeatedly for over a year (and Josh Pate said it the other day), that Congress is the only body that has the authority to make national rules for college sports now, IF we intend on saving college sports in any recognizable form.

This is a good way to start down that path, have someone as respected as Coach Saban head up a commission of knowledgeable people representing the various interests who can get together and recommend an anti-trust exemption to Congress that represents a reasonable compromise and provides for revenue sharing for athletes in exchange for governing authority over all the various issues. The Alston Supreme Court case holding that the NCAA's prior business model violated Antitrust is what opened Pandora's box, but Congress has the power to resolve that issue, SCOTUS said so themselves:

From the 9-0 Opinion of the Court in Alston:

"The “orderly way” to temper that Act's policy of competition is “by legislation and not by court decision.” Flood, 407 U.S. at 279, 92 S.Ct. 2099. The NCAA is free to argue that, “because of the special characteristics of [its] particular industry,” it should be exempt from the usual operation of the antitrust laws—but that appeal is “properly addressed to Congress.” National Soc. of Professional Engineers, 435 U.S. at 689, 98 S.Ct. 1355. Nor has Congress been insensitive to such requests. It has modified the antitrust laws for certain industries in the past, and it may do so again in the future. See, e.g., 7 U.S.C. §§ 291–292 (agricultural cooperatives); 15 U.S.C. §§ 1011–1013 (insurance); 15 U.S.C. §§ 1801–1804 (newspaper joint operating agreements). But until Congress says otherwise, the only law it has asked us to enforce is the Sherman Act, and that law is predicated on one assumption alone—“competition is the best method of allocating resources” in the Nation's economy. National Soc. of Professional Engineers, 435 U.S. at 695, 98 S.Ct. 1355."

Nat'l Collegiate Athletic Ass'n v. Alston, 594 U.S. 69, 96, 141 S. Ct. 2141, 2160, 210 L. Ed. 2d 314 (2021)

The House settlement is not a long term solution either. That settlement can give the NCAA grace/release them for past Antitrust violations, but it's not going to work in terms of setting rules. There is no way the current class members can bind all future players to the settlement terms, that will get struck down.

The employment model is not a solution either, unless you are ready to kiss all the non-revenue sports good bye and see football and basketball break away from the Universities and just become minor league sports leagues. Having Vols, Inc. play its games leased in Neyland Stadium is the best we can hope for, there will be no recruiting, just a draft. College sports as we know it will be dead. If that's what you want, fine, but that's the cost of Congress doing nothing.
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Your vision is spot on to what will be faced.
Federal govt involvement is not my cup of tea but may be the only way to sort it out.
I see a parting of the seas and the NCAA as road kill as they never adjusted and stuck their heads into the sand. What's more, they basically fought the unwinnable battles. We have all known that they were incompetent for years and never forced a change.
The NCAA was basically an administrative organization and never figured out that they were not the Command & Control organization they profess to be.
 
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Sudden Impact said:
Your vision is spot on to what will be faced.
Federal govt involvement is not my cup of tea but may be the only way to sort it out.
I see a parting of the seas and the NCAA as road kill as they never adjusted and stuck their heads into the sand. What's more, they basically fought the unwinnable battles. We have all known that they were incompetent for years and never forced a change.
The NCAA was basically an administrative organization and never figured out that they were not the Command & Control organization they profess to be.
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Agree. If someone could see my voting history, they would know that I am typically the last person to want the federal government involved with anything but the thing here is that the federal government/Congress is already involved. It is their laws (Antitrust) that post-Alston, have made college sports ungovernable. They are the only body with even the capability to try to fix it. No one else has the necessary power.
 
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DonDiego said:
Loved how the writer made reference to Saban 'allegedly paid players when coaching'..lol
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There is no writer. That was generated by AI. Crappy word salad BS like "Stuff such as the Nico Iamaleava-Tennessee doesn’t exactly quell the discontent among these fans." What the hell is that? That's not even a sentence. It's an approximation of a sentence, and a garbage one at that. What an insulting waste of time and electricity.

I despise this "article" and whoever had a hand in generating it. Hate. AI generated written content sucks.
 
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Voltopia said:
There is no writer. That was generated by AI. Crappy word salad BS like "Stuff such as the Nico Iamaleava-Tennessee doesn’t exactly quell the discontent among these fans." What the hell is that? That's not even a sentence. It's an approximation of a sentence, and a garbage one at that. What an insulting waste of time and electricity.

I despise this "article" and whoever had a hand in generating it. Hate. AI generated written content sucks.
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Eh, I thought most modern journalists were NPCs anyways.
 
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They're insane, but what they are thinking may actually work. Sometimes crazy ideas work out. They are thinking if it's Saban, and they call him commissioner, people will just think they have to do what he says. Sort of like making George Washington president. They knew people would just go along with whatever he did.
 
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Saban is the GOAT college coaches. I cannot deny that. But he was also the greatest pimp who sold his own axx all over the place to the highest bidder. If he has anything to do with NIL and restricting players money or capping it without touching coaches, it's a bogus deal. He's the guy who got bought by LSU. Then he bent over for cash and dumped his LSU contract for the Miami Dolphins. He then shortly thereafter bent over for cash dumping his Miami contract for Bama and the rest is history. Bama had an NILesqe program firmly in place on Saban's tenure and it was completely shielded from the school. Once actual NIL came in to play he dumped Bama cause the playing field had been leveled and he was not going to be so great any longer. If he screws the players and doesn't touch the coaches in this NIL thing he's supposedly working on, he's again peddled his donkey and bent over to big money from somewhere. If the coaches can earn at whatever the market will bear then so should the players imo.
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Why does everyone think that because Saban was a outstanding coach, he would be the best candidate for solving this NIL free market? I don't think coaching translates to player compensation and contracts. They slid money to players illegally for years. I don't trust his judgment on money matters, especially since his Bama bias is very glaring.

IMO, it needs to be someone who has experience with player money and contracts, you know someone from the NFL who has been dealing with this stuff for years. Maybe even a business mind outside of football.
 
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thehardknoxlife said:
Why does everyone think that because Saban was a outstanding coach, he would be the best candidate for solving this NIL free market? I don't think coaching translates to player compensation and contracts. They slid money to players illegally for years. I don't trust his judgment on money matters, especially since his Bama bias is very glaring.

IMO, it needs to be someone who has experience with player money and contracts, you know someone from the NFL who has been dealing with this stuff for years. Maybe even a business mind outside of football.
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The solution is one of two choices, neither if which can Trump or Saban provide.

1. A federal antitrust exe Orion, which will lead to employee status and a union for the athletes.

2. Leave things as they are and let the free market decide.
 
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It not sure what's more amusing, college football fans wanting the government to get involved in college football or actually believing that our government, a body that has to form a commitee to figure out how to pull a greasy string out of a cat's a$$ (and still can't get it done), has any ability to fix this whatsoever.... 🤣😂😂
 
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thehardknoxlife said:
Why does everyone think that because Saban was a outstanding coach, he would be the best candidate for solving this NIL free market? I don't think coaching translates to player compensation and contracts. They slid money to players illegally for years. I don't trust his judgment on money matters, especially since his Bama bias is very glaring.

IMO, it needs to be someone who has experience with player money and contracts, you know someone from the NFL who has been dealing with this stuff for years. Maybe even a business mind outside of football.
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I already posted my answer to this 3 above yours. It'll only take one team to tell the commissioner to go to hell, and the whole thing will collapse. HOWEVER, it's possible that no team will actually do it. We'll just have to wait and see.

The reason collusion to form an effective monopoly is illegal in a buy-and-sell business is that it works great. If the teams "stick together" the players will lose.
 
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