SABAN INQUIRY

[VOLLeeann]

Someone on the board took offense at me calling Nic Satan a mediocre coach. My contention is that BAMA cheated like MOFO's off and got away with it !!
Dee Liners post with a handful of cash, Ruben Foster was totally committed to Auburn -even got a War Eagles tattoo, then 5 days before signing day changes
to Gumps. I would be a hall of famer to if I paid under the table and got all the best 5 stars. When the playing field got leveled? He quit. He's a POS and cheated,
NCAA had a blind eye on there cash cow. Vols get busted for buying a kid a bag of Tacos while Bama hands out wads of cash, cars, clothes- ??
BUT that's just my take and I'll admit I HATE THE GUMPS, I would like to hear your take on that smurf Satan?

My take on you is more important. You're nuts

 

[Butch s]

Someone on the board took offense at me calling Nic Satan a mediocre coach. My contention is that BAMA cheated like MOFO's off and got away with it !!
Dee Liners post with a handful of cash, Ruben Foster was totally committed to Auburn -even got a War Eagles tattoo, then 5 days before signing day changes
to Gumps. I would be a hall of famer to if I paid under the table and got all the best 5 stars. When the playing field got leveled? He quit. He's a POS and cheated,
NCAA had a blind eye on there cash cow. Vols get busted for buying a kid a bag of Tacos while Bama hands out wads of cash, cars, clothes- ??
BUT that's just my take and I'll admit I HATE THE GUMPS, I would like to hear your take on that smurf Satan?

Don’t forget the “ loan” to ha ha Clinton dix. That was “ paid back” after caught

 

[VOLdo Raine]

Sure he was paying players! But he was only filling in the “gap” in other payments that schools don’t pay.

He has openly explained this in several advertisements on TV.

 

[ATCVolinmn]

Someone on the board took offense at me calling Nic Satan a mediocre coach. My contention is that BAMA cheated like MOFO's off and got away with it !!
Dee Liners post with a handful of cash, Ruben Foster was totally committed to Auburn -even got a War Eagles tattoo, then 5 days before signing day changes
to Gumps. I would be a hall of famer to if I paid under the table and got all the best 5 stars. When the playing field got leveled? He quit. He's a POS and cheated,
NCAA had a blind eye on there cash cow. Vols get busted for buying a kid a bag of Tacos while Bama hands out wads of cash, cars, clothes- ??
BUT that's just my take and I'll admit I HATE THE GUMPS, I would like to hear your take on that smurf Satan?

So Dooley, Jones, or Pruitt would have 7 national titles with the same roster.......

 

[EastTNVol6240]

Someone on the board took offense at me calling Nic Satan a mediocre coach. My contention is that BAMA cheated like MOFO's off and got away with it !!
Dee Liners post with a handful of cash, Ruben Foster was totally committed to Auburn -even got a War Eagles tattoo, then 5 days before signing day changes
to Gumps. I would be a hall of famer to if I paid under the table and got all the best 5 stars. When the playing field got leveled? He quit. He's a POS and cheated,
NCAA had a blind eye on there cash cow. Vols get busted for buying a kid a bag of Tacos while Bama hands out wads of cash, cars, clothes- ??
BUT that's just my take and I'll admit I HATE THE GUMPS, I would like to hear your take on that smurf Satan?

Plenty of coaches had loaded rosters in the past few years and did nothing. A&M, Florida state for a quick few. Look at our roster back when butch had kamara,Hurd,Dobbs. That in my eyes should’ve been a contender when we look back and see how good those guys were. Butch couldn’t make it happen. Like it or not, saban is the best college coach we likely ever see.

 

[Sudden Impact]

What makes Saban even greater is the fact he did not get caught.
His problem came to light when he had to compete with NIL
NCAA more than likely getting kickbacks.
A great coach as well Mich St, LSU and Alabama.
He hit the wall of money in the NFL and skidoodled.
He had a system regarding money and handouts combined with his ability to coach

 

[DaddyChad]

Someone on the board took offense at me calling Nic Satan a mediocre coach. My contention is that BAMA cheated like MOFO's off and got away with it !!
Dee Liners post with a handful of cash, Ruben Foster was totally committed to Auburn -even got a War Eagles tattoo, then 5 days before signing day changes
to Gumps. I would be a hall of famer to if I paid under the table and got all the best 5 stars. When the playing field got leveled? He quit. He's a POS and cheated,
NCAA had a blind eye on there cash cow. Vols get busted for buying a kid a bag of Tacos while Bama hands out wads of cash, cars, clothes- ??
BUT that's just my take and I'll admit I HATE THE GUMPS, I would like to hear your take on that smurf Satan?

Except he didn’t just win national titles at Bama.

 

[05_never_again]

What makes Saban even greater is the fact he did not get caught.
His problem came to light when he had to compete with NIL
NCAA more than likely getting kickbacks.
A great coach as well Mich St, LSU and Alabama.
He hit the wall of money in the NFL and skidoodled.
He had a system regarding money and handouts combined with his ability to coach

In the NIL era, Saban went 36-6 (21-3) with 2 CFP appearances in 3 seasons and 2 SEC titles. He finished 2nd, 5th, and 5th in the country in those 3 seasons.

I think he would have done just fine if he continued in the NIL era - the more likely reason is that he was 72 and just didn't want to.

 

[Firebirdparts]

Username checks out

 

[n_huffhines]

In the NIL era, Saban went 36-6 (21-3) with 2 CFP appearances in 3 seasons and 2 SEC titles. He finished 2nd, 5th, and 5th in the country in those 3 seasons.

I think he would have done just fine if he continued in the NIL era - the more likely reason is that he was 72 and just didn't want to.

I think he would've done fine, but I don't think he would've dominated like he did.

It's the Bear Bryant thing. His 4th string RB was better than your starter, but he was stuck not playing and that meant Bear Bryant didn't have to coach against him. That advantage still existed for Saban to some extent, but not in the way that it did for BB, and that's why Saban is the GOAT...but now it's not like that at all.

Even if Saban doesn't lose guys to the portal, other teams who are a QB short of a title team can get that QB now. Imagine that 2011 LSU team with a QB, you know? I don't think Saban's getting that title if LSU has a QB.

 

[05_never_again]

I think he would've done fine, but I don't think he would've dominated like he did.

It's the Bear Bryant thing. His 4th string RB was better than your starter, but he was stuck not playing and that meant Bear Bryant didn't have to coach against him. That advantage still existed for Saban to some extent, but not in the way that it did for BB, and that's why Saban is the GOAT...but now it's not like that at all.

Even if Saban doesn't lose guys to the portal, other teams who are a QB short of a title team can get that QB now. Imagine that 2011 LSU team with a QB, you know? I don't think Saban's getting that title if LSU has a QB.

The Portal goes both ways though. There are lots of guys who can play at the smaller programs who he'd be in the market for. Jahmyr Gibbs is a perfect example.

The Portal definitely makes it harder to have competitive depth, but if everybody has that problem...

 

[n_huffhines]

The Portal goes both ways though. There are lots of guys who can play at the smaller programs who he'd be in the market for. Jahmyr Gibbs is a perfect example.

The Portal definitely makes it harder to have competitive depth, but if everybody has that problem...

But Saban almost never had holes on his teams, so nothing changed for him, but the other programs that tend to have holes can now fix those.

 

[05_never_again]

But Saban almost never had holes on his teams, so nothing changed for him, but the other programs that tend to have holes can now fix those.

Holes, no, because he was the most prolific recruiter of all time. Rosters that have a bunch holes in them usually aren't those of a good team anyway, especially over time. He frequently supplemented the roster he had with guys from the Portal.

Ultimately, I think that should be what college football coaches shoot for. You build the foundation of your roster via high school recruiting and supplement via the portal, and given the reputation he had he likely would have been able to continue to do so.

 

[LouderVol]

But Saban almost never had holes on his teams, so nothing changed for him, but the other programs that tend to have holes can now fix those.

he did have holes. he was just able to coach around them.

it took how long for Bama to find a QB that wasn't the definition of a game manager?
even with Julio it took forever for Saban to really adopt to the WR game.
there have been points where their pass rush was bad, but their back end was good enough to cover for it, or vice versa.
his teams were so good, they could cover for any holes they did have.

they have also been INCREDIBLY fortunate on the injury front, maybe S&C based, where they haven't had to start depth like other schools. I remember some of those Jones years where we started 11 different OL combinations, and Bama would have 1 or 2 in comparison. How often was the continuity of the Bama team brought up?

I deal with WAY too many Bama fans, and I can remember them dismissing a whole season because they would lose two or three starters. Meanwhile UT was starting guys 3 deep on depth chart just to have bodies. they have lived in a different, very blessed world for way too long. and its not like anyone else had the 2 or 3 deep that looked like Bama's.

 

[n_huffhines]

Holes, no, because he was the most prolific recruiter of all time. Rosters that have a bunch holes in them usually aren't those of a good team anyway, especially over time. He frequently supplemented the roster he had with guys from the Portal.

Ultimately, I think that should be what college football coaches shoot for. You build the foundation of your roster via high school recruiting and supplement via the portal, and given the reputation he had he likely would have been able to continue to do so.

What I'm saying is that Saban continues to bring the same quality and be awesome, but the rest of college football has solved a problem they were having, and that Saban wasn't having. That's why it would be harder for him to dominate. Last year, tOSU was a QB away and they got the QB. That team was good enough to beat Saban teams and probably gets smacked if Devin Brown is QB.

 

[GVF]

I think he would've done fine, but I don't think he would've dominated like he did.

It's the Bear Bryant thing. His 4th string RB was better than your starter, but he was stuck not playing and that meant Bear Bryant didn't have to coach against him. That advantage still existed for Saban to some extent, but not in the way that it did for BB, and that's why Saban is the GOAT...but now it's not like that at all.

Even if Saban doesn't lose guys to the portal, other teams who are a QB short of a title team can get that QB now. Imagine that 2011 LSU team with a QB, you know? I don't think Saban's getting that title if LSU has a QB.

The thing with BB's strategy of having maybe your best player buried on his bench is that had roughly 50% of his 25 years at 2 or more losses. Saban had roughly the exact same success with 50% of his 17 years at 2 or more losses in a different era. So, yeah Saban is pretty much the goat as most of us agree. I think he pretty well dsimantled the legend of the bear.

 

[wmcovol]

NCAA never caught any of Saban’s assistants (not smart, not Sark, not Kiffin, nor Mac @ Fla) cheating at other schools until Dumbass Jeremy Pruitt. It only took them 3 years

 

[LouderVol]

NCAA never caught any of Saban’s assistants (not smart, not Sark, not Kiffin, nor Mac @ Fla) cheating at other schools until Dumbass Jeremy Pruitt. It only took them 3 years

and it probably helped the NCAA that UT was looking to get rid of Pruitt at that point.

 

[Carp]

Saban developed players for the NFL at an incredible pace. And not just the 5 stars.

He had a keen eye for talent and an incredible ability to motivate and develop that talent.

Bama quite clearly wasn't the only school paying players. And if they were paying players far more than anyone else before the NIL, then logic dictates they would be leading the way in NIL right now (they are nowhere close). Saban literally had to beg in front of local media to get donors to donate more to NIL.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

Nope, It's Bear Bryant. Gen Neyland could be.

The Bear was General Neyland's bitch. 0 for forever against him.

Saban forced Urban to quit twice. He got Miles fired (won a natty), he got Orgeron fired (won a natty), he got Chizik fired (won a natty), he got Tuberville fired (undefeated season), he got Malzahn fired (played for natty). He was partly responsible for Fulmer (won a natty) getting fired. He was partly responsible for Spurrier (won a natty) quitting. He got a HOF coach in Mark Richt fired.

 

[BearBryant]

The Bear was General Neyland's bitch. 0 for forever against him.

Saban forced Urban to quit twice. He got Miles fired (won a natty), he got Orgeron fired (won a natty), he got Chizik fired (won a natty), he got Tuberville fired (undefeated season), he got Malzahn fired (played for natty). He was partly responsible for Fulmer (won a natty) getting fired. He was partly responsible for Spurrier (won a natty) quitting. He got a HOF coach in Mark Richt fired.

Saban has two NC's when Ala did not win SEC. Bryant even had Kentucky as a National Championship contender!!

 

[BearBryant]

Neyland was better!

Neyland doesn't get the credit that he should get. ZERO points allowed in a season!! They did lose to Southern Cal in the Rose Bowl that year, But I believe they had a significant injured player in that game.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

Saban has two NC's when Ala did not win SEC. Bryant even had Kentucky as a National Championship contender!!

Bryant needed Neyland to retire to become what he became. 0 and Forever against Neyland

Kirby Smart is the only championship/HOF in the SEC that Saban didnt heavily or primarily get fired....

 

[05_never_again]

Neyland doesn't get the credit that he should get. ZERO points allowed in a season!! They did lose to Southern Cal in the Rose Bowl that year, But I believe they had a significant injured player in that game.

"Significant player" is an understatement. George Cafego was hurt and barely played. Neyland is probably one of the most underrated legendary coaches of all-time.

 

[HuntlandVolinColo]

Neyland doesn't get the credit that he should get. ZERO points allowed in a season!! They did lose to Southern Cal in the Rose Bowl that year, But I believe they had a significant injured player in that game.

I read where they were all too hungover to play. Partied too early perhaps.