Saban became good at Alabama,...dare to compare?

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CollegeYear Team Overall Conference Standing Bowl/playoffs Coaches# AP°
Toledo Rockets (Mid-American Conference) (1990)
1990 Toledo 9–2 7–1 1st
Toledo: 9–2 7–1
Michigan State Spartans (Big Ten Conference) (1995–1999)
1995 Michigan State 6–5–1 4–3–1 5th L Independence
1996 Michigan State 6–6 5–3 5th L Sun
1997 Michigan State 7–5 4–4 6th L Aloha
1998 Michigan State 6–6 4–4 6th
1999 Michigan State 9–2* 6–2 2nd Invited to Citrus* 9* 9*
Michigan State: 34–24–1 23–16–1 * Saban resigned before bowl game.
LSU Tigers (Southeastern Conference) (2000–2004)
2000 LSU 8–4 5–3 3rd (West) W Peach 22
2001 LSU 10–3 5–3 1st (West) W Sugar † 8 7
2002 LSU 8–5 5–3 T–1st (West) L Cotton
2003 LSU 13–1 7–1 1st (West) W Sugar † 1 2
2004 LSU 9–3 6–2 2nd (West) L Capital One 16 16
LSU: 48–16 28–12
Alabama Crimson Tide (Southeastern Conference) (2007–present)
2007 Alabama 7–6[a] 4–4[a] T–3rd (West) W Independence
2008 Alabama 12–2 8–0 1st (West) L Sugar † 6 6
2009 Alabama 14–0 8–0 1st (West) W BCS NCG † 1 1
2010 Alabama 10–3 5–3 4th (West) W Capital One 11 10
2011 Alabama 8–0 5–0 T-1st(West) 2 2
Alabama: 51–11 30–7
Total: 142–53–1
National Championship Conference Title Conference Division Title
†Indicates BCS bowl game. #Rankings from final Coaches' Poll.
°Rankings from final AP Poll.
 
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Nice stats, but I'm going to be "that guy".

How the hell does this relate to Tennessee Vols Football?
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Fulmers record and final rankings
Head coaching recordYear Team Overall Conference Standing Bowl/playoffs Coaches# AP°
Tennessee Volunteers (Southeastern Conference) (1992–2008)
1992 Tennessee 4–0* 2–0* 3rd (East)* W Hall of Fame 12 12
1993 Tennessee 10–2^ 7–1^ 2nd (East) L Florida Citrus 11 12
1994 Tennessee 8–4 5–3 2nd (East) W Gator 18 22
1995 Tennessee 11–1 7–1 2nd (East) W Florida Citrus 2 3
1996 Tennessee 10–2 7–1 2nd (East) W Florida Citrus 9 9
1997 Tennessee 11–2 7–1 1st (East) L Orange 8 7
1998 Tennessee 13–0 8–0 1st (East) W Fiesta † 1 1
1999 Tennessee 9–3 6–2 2nd (East) L Fiesta † 9 9
2000 Tennessee 8–4 5–3 2nd (East) L Cotton 25
2001 Tennessee 11–2 7–1 1st (East) W Florida Citrus 4 4
2002 Tennessee 8–5 5–3 3rd (East) L Peach
2003 Tennessee 10–3 6–2 T–1st (East) L Peach 16 15
2004 Tennessee 10–3 7–1 1st (East) W Cotton 15 13
2005 Tennessee 5–6 4–4 4th (East)
2006 Tennessee 9–4 5–3 2nd (East) L Outback 23 25
2007 Tennessee 10–4 6–2 T–1st (East) W Outback 12 12
2008 Tennessee 5–7 3–5 5th (East)
Tennessee: 152–52 98–34
Total: 152–52
 
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im just saying sabans career started off pretty rough, only two 10 win seasons in his first 10 years as a coach. dooley is gonna be allright just needs more time and some stability in our coaching staff for a change
 
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he sure didnt build a great program at msu overall record 34-24-1, 10 games over .500 , not very legendary
 
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thats less than 7 wins a year, next stop lsu, 48-16 in 5 seasons, averaged 9 wins a year, very fulmer like (also averaged 9 wins a year at ut) then bama 51-11 , 10 wins a year ( maybe rising after this season) so like i was saying he got good at bama, before he was below fulmer status
 
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spurrier in sec before south carolina experiment
Florida Gators (Southeastern Conference) (1990–2001)
1990 Florida 9–2 6–1 1st ‡ ‡ ‡ 13
1991 Florida 10–2 7–0 1st L Sugar 8 7
1992 Florida 9–4 6–2 T–1st (East) W Gator 11 10
1993 Florida 11–2 7–1 1st (East) W Sugar 4 5
1994 Florida 10–2–1 7–1 1st (East) L Sugar 7 7
1995 Florida 12–1 8–0 1st (East) L Fiesta 3 2
1996 Florida 12–1 8–0 1st (East) W Sugar 1 1
1997 Florida 10–2 6–2 T–2nd (East) W Citrus 6 4
1998 Florida 10–2 7–1 2nd (East) W Orange † 6 5
1999 Florida 9–4 7–1 1st (East) L Citrus 14 12
2000 Florida 10–3 7–1 1st (East) L Sugar † 11 10
2001 Florida 10–2 6–2 2nd (East) W Orange † 3 3
Florida: 122–27–1 87–12[4] ‡ Ineligible for SEC title, bowl game and Coaches'
 
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wat

Seriously, have you looked at how crappy Michigan State when he got there. He turned an 0-11 team into a 6-5-1 team in a year. Not only that, he kept that crappy team in that bowl echelon for a few years.

At LSU, he took a team that was 3-8, and won an SEC Championship with that squad just two years later, and won a national title just 4 years later.

At Alabama, he took a 6-7 team and went undefeated in the regular season just two years after taking over, and won an SEC/national championship just 3 years later.

Compare this to Fulmer, who was sitting on a gold mine of talent when he started.
 
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coaches like saban and spurrier at recruiting powerhouse states/schools records are awesome. however at schools where they really have to recruit like msu and usc jr records are far more average. now a question i ask is are they really good coaches or just fortunate to be at schools where its easy to recruit??
 
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Yes, Nick Saban is that good of a coach. Had he stayed at Michigan State, that program could have won a national championship.

Good coaches shine through, even when they don't take over the best of situations.

I feel like this is leading towards a "give Dooley time" post.
 
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so is les miles a bad coach because he landed on a gold mine of talent?? also saban didnt take over an 0-11 team they had all their victories taken away because of forfeit wikipedia nick saban 92-94 mich st team records before all victories taken by forfeit were 5–6, 6–6 and 5–6 so he marginally improved them
 
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If you really think CDD is going to be another Saban look out
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Blaze_Orange said:
so is les miles a bad coach because he landed on a gold mine of talent?? also saban didnt take over an 0-11 team they had all their victories taken away because of forfeit wikipedia nick saban 92-94 mich st team records before all victories taken by forfeit were 5–6, 6–6 and 5–6 so he marginally improved them
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Actually, most people prior to this year thought Les Miles was a bad coach, but that's beside the point.

Saban's Michigan State team that went 10-2 in 1999, ended up going 5-6 in 2000 under a different coach. It took Michigan State 11 years to post a double digit win season (2010) after Saban left.
 
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KingNick865 said:
wat

Seriously, have you looked at how crappy Michigan State when he got there. He turned an 0-11 team into a 6-5-1 team in a year. Not only that, he kept that crappy team in that bowl echelon for a few years.

At LSU, he took a team that was 3-8, and won an SEC Championship with that squad just two years later, and won a national title just 4 years later.

At Alabama, he took a 6-7 team and went undefeated in the regular season just two years after taking over, and won an SEC/national championship just 3 years later.

Compare this to Fulmer, who was sitting on a gold mine of talent when he started.
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He cuts a lot of players. If they are not what he wants he cuts them. That is why the new rules to offer a 4 year deal will hurt his recruiting.
 
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VolfanNpa said:
He cuts a lot of players. If they are not what he wants he cuts them. That is why the new rules to offer a 4 year deal will hurt his recruiting.
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Almost every coach in the SEC, sans Mark Richt, does that. It's not like it's a uniquely Nick Saban thing to do.
 
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yeah but saban didnt coach the bowl game in 99 so his team went 9-2, also he knew he had a large graduating class and the cupboards were bare so he bolted like lightning at a chance to get in the sec
 
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he was an above average coach at lsu and did a good job rebuilding dont forget who his assistants were either at lsu will muschamp d coordinator head coach at fla and jimbo fisher another head coach at fsu
 
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Blaze_Orange said:
yeah but saban didnt coach the bowl game in 99 so his team went 9-2, also he knew he had a large graduating class and the cupboards were bare so he bolted like lightning at a chance to get in the sec
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He recruited those players that went 10-2? Yeah, he did. The team that he recruited went 10-2.

Michigan State or LSU....

Yeah, I don't know which one I'd choose either.
 
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Blaze_Orange said:
he was an above average coach at lsu and did a good job rebuilding dont forget who his assistants were either at lsu will muschamp d coordinator head coach at fla and jimbo fisher another head coach at fsu
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Because Saban has done so terrible since those guys left.
 
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a head coach is only as good as his assistants like fulmer was real good with cut as off coor, not so good without....saban does have a knack for hiring great assistant coaches alah coach Dooley
 
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Michigan - 2-3 (.400)
MSU all-time record versus Michigan (.325)

Ohio State - 2-1 (.667)
MSU all-time record versus Ohio State (.308)

Notre Dame - 3-0 (1.000)
MSU all-time record versus Notre Dame (.385)
 
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msu also claims they won the national title in 51 as do we here at UT, who really won it (off topic i know)
 
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