S&C program is the cornerstone

[wildorange]

to a successful football team in the SEC. Jones has already proved he needs help here, he listens to the players to much. Without a quality S&C coach we will not get the most out of our team. Butch doesn't realize how much strength is needed to compete in the SEC. Being in shape is one thing and important, but you have to be STRONG enough in the trenches or your not going to win consistently in the SEC. Bottom line Tennessee's next AD needs to make sure we pony up enough for a quality S&C coach and that Butch stay out of his business. GBO!!!!

 

[1truevol]

Yeah...I'm sure Butch doesn't understand the importance of "physical strength" in the SEC. LOL.....Come on man!!!!

 

[whocaresgobobcats]

you have literally no idea what you are talking about.

I imagine you are one of those people that thinks Athletic Trainers and S&C is the reason why so many players have injuries.

Please let me know what qualifications you have to judge athletes in those areas besides sitting your fat self in front of a TV every saturday for the past 40 years watching footbawww while downing bud lights.

 

[Volsfaninva917]

Yeah...I'm sure Butch doesn't understand the importance of "physical strength" in the SEC. LOL.....Come on man!!!!

Interesting, we were so much tougher and less injury prone last year.

Lawson leaves UT strength and conditioning position


https://www.seccountry.com/tennessee/vols-fire-strength-and-conditioning-coach-dave-lawson


Wonder what happened? Lawson was widely considered one of the best in the country

 

[livefaith]

Interesting, we were so much tougher and less injury prone last year.

Lawson leaves UT strength and conditioning position


https://www.seccountry.com/tennessee/vols-fire-strength-and-conditioning-coach-dave-lawson


Wonder what happened? Lawson was widely considered one of the best in the country

Really? Were you not paying attention when a ton of players were injured before the opener ever got here and VN went into screaming fit blaming everyone from the S&C coach to the head groundskeeper.

 

[MFL]

Butch needs Gruden, Peyton and Cooter

 

[Volsfaninva917]

Really? Were you not paying attention when a ton of players were injured before the opener ever got here and VN went into screaming fit blaming everyone from the S&C coach to the head groundskeeper.

Obviously you weren't paying attention, Lawson was relieved of his football duties back in February

 

[iWearOrange]

Interesting, we were so much tougher and less injury prone last year.

Lawson leaves UT strength and conditioning position


https://www.seccountry.com/tennessee/vols-fire-strength-and-conditioning-coach-dave-lawson


Wonder what happened? Lawson was widely considered one of the best in the country

It's not hard to be "less injury prone" than we were this year... because we were decimated by injuries. But 2015 was filled with injuries too.. and we promoted Lawson's protege. That's why we need an overhaul of the entire S&C staff.

 

[ACvol3]

We need a strength and steroids coach. Works for Bama..

 

[10th Mountain VOL]

i agree totally! I am of the firm belief that is one of the reasons we had so many injuries this year. If you don't build up strength the body cannot take the beating of an entire season.

 

[rickyyrs]

Yeah...I'm sure Butch doesn't understand the importance of "physical strength" in the SEC. LOL.....Come on man!!!!

Well i am starting to wonder if he does. Last year after we played Alabama their players said we were the most physical team they played. And what does Butch do. He fires our s/c coach. And look what happened this yer.

 

[HuntlandVolinColo]

Butch needs Gruden, Peyton and Cooter

Plus Wade Phillips for the Defense.

 

[majic73]

Interesting, we were so much tougher and less injury prone last year.

Lawson leaves UT strength and conditioning position


https://www.seccountry.com/tennessee/vols-fire-strength-and-conditioning-coach-dave-lawson


Wonder what happened? Lawson was widely considered one of the best in the country

Too many defensive reps. The offense either doesn't score and goes three an out, scores very fast due to big plays and hurry up , or turns the ball over ( leads the nation )

Our defense has absorbed more snaps than almost any defense in the country. As the injuries mounted , the depth issues became an exponential issue. The last guys standing took on a superhuman amount of reps . The more reps the more injuries.

S&C guys are all pretty much identical, they all learn from the same book with slight variation. No S&C guy could adequately preps a unit for the shear volume of reps.

The arena league style of offense isnt going to sustain itself. Its has its place , but when the time is right you have to have crushing 7 minute drives and keep the defense off the field

 

[lexkyvol]

Too many defensive reps. The offense either doesn't score and goes three an out, scores very fast due to big plays and hurry up , or turns the ball over ( leads the nation )

Our defense has absorbed more snaps than almost any defense in the country. As the injuries mounted , the depth issues became an exponential issue. The last guys standing took on a superhuman amount of reps . The more reps the more injuries.

S&C guys are all pretty much identical, they all learn from the same book with slight variation. No S&C guy could adequately preps a unit for the shear volume of reps.

The arena league style of offense isnt going to sustain itself. Its has its place , but when the time is right you have to have crushing 7 minute drives and keep the defense off the field

You absorb more snaps when you cant stop teams from getting first downs.

Strength and Conditioning go hand and hand with injuries. Yes some injuries occur anyways, but a lot are due to poor technique which is due to fatigue and not being able to do it right continuously.

 

[majic73]

You absorb more snaps when you cant stop teams from getting first downs.

Strength and Conditioning go hand and hand with injuries. Yes some injuries occur anyways, but a lot are due to poor technique which is due to fatigue and not being able to do it right continuously.

And there is the rub . It is a reciprocating problem . If you look at another 'fast break' boom or bust offense that's primary focus is the 'big splash' play, Oregon , you will see that they had 971 defensive snaps . We had 930. Both are insanely high . If you look at all of the defenses attributed to the high flying offenses ...you will see this trend . The offensive scoring in effect become the defense. The injuries rise statistically with the reps. Also , offensive turnovers mount ( we lead the country ! ) as you press to get points with lower percentage plays which exacerbates the defensive rep issues, This is age old 'complimentary' football. Butch throws that term around a lot for someone that doesn't seem to understand it

The individually reps increase as injuries mount and the defense become less effective. I have placed the yards given up in reverse order. You can see the yards trending upward as we reached the end of the season. Technique suddenly wasn't getting bad , the coaching wasn't deteriorating. Injury attrition and over repetition was mounting. The same way it does for all the teams that feature high rep offenses. If you are going to play arena league football , you must have an excessive amount of quality defensive depth or at the end of the season you will need 70 points to win games.


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TT 224
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Va Tech 394
App 292

 

[m1al]

you have literally no idea what you are talking about.

I imagine you are one of those people that thinks Athletic Trainers and S&C is the reason why so many players have injuries.

Please let me know what qualifications you have to judge athletes in those areas besides sitting your fat self in front of a TV every saturday for the past 40 years watching footbawww while downing bud lights.

Don't hold back. Tell him what you really think... Better yet, just kick him in the nuts..

 

[ERvolsfan]

My personal preference and number 1 choice is Tommy Moffitt from LSU.

Other guys I like are... Rob Glass, Shannon Turley, Jim Radcliffe, Jesse Ackerman, Jim Radcliffe. Paul Jackson.

 

[MrBiggles]

and there is the rub . It is a reciprocating problem . If you look at another 'fast break' boom or bust offense that's primary focus is the 'big splash' play, oregon , you will see that they had 971 defensive snaps . We had 930. Both are insanely high . If you look at all of the defenses attributed to the high flying offenses ...you will see this trend . The offensive scoring in effect become the defense. The injuries rise statistically with the reps. Also , offensive turnovers mount ( we lead the country ! ) as you press to get points with lower percentage plays which exacerbates the defensive rep issues, this is age old 'complimentary' football. Butch throws that term around a lot for someone that doesn't seem to understand it

the individually reps increase as injuries mount and the defense become less effective. I have placed the yards given up in reverse order. You can see the yards trending upward as we reached the end of the season. Technique suddenly wasn't getting bad , the coaching wasn't deteriorating. Injury attrition and over repetition was mounting. The same way it does for all the teams that feature high rep offenses. If you are going to play arena league football , you must have an excessive amount of quality defensive depth or at the end of the season you will need 70 points to win games.


Vandy 608
mizzou 740
uk 635
tt 224
scar 325
bubba 594
tamu 592
uga 392
uf 402
ohio 318
va tech 394
app 292

This!! The thought is that all the uptempo O wears out the opposing D, but also wears out your D. Chuck in the fact that every O in the SEC is physical and what you get is lots of injuries. Maybe in order to save the injuries we can grind out a couple of 10-12 play 6-7 minute drives.

 

[sjt18]

Interesting, we were so much tougher and less injury prone last year.

Lawson leaves UT strength and conditioning position


https://www.seccountry.com/tennessee/vols-fire-strength-and-conditioning-coach-dave-lawson


Wonder what happened? Lawson was widely considered one of the best in the country

Actually, UT had higher than normal injuries the previous two years as well. Many occurred during August last year iirc.

The OP while kind of funny with the whole Butch doesn't know it takes strong players to play in the SEC bit... isn't completely wrong. What Jones has done in S&C has not worked and has contributed to abnormally high injury rates.

 

[Nuctech777]

There are so many factors that go in to developing a quality strength and conditioning program. The right program can help contribute to lower injury rates. The athletes need a program developed specifically to their position and also developed so that they peak at the right time.
I'm not saying that ours is flawed bc I don't know any details of it buuuuuuut, we do seem to have high rates of injury and have lost star players at the beginning of the season the last couple of years.
I will also agree that our defense is on the field far too long during games. This leads to fatigue which also plays a role in injuries. If you are fatigued your technique suffers.
We don't seem to be peaking during the season and our injury rates are just crazy. I'm not saying it's all S&C but I think it is one of many factors.

 

[majic73]

Actually, UT had higher than normal injuries the previous two years as well. Many occurred during August last year iirc.

The OP while kind of funny with the whole Butch doesn't know it takes strong players to play in the SEC bit... isn't completely wrong. What Jones has done in S&C has not worked and has contributed to abnormally high injury rates.

It could be S&C ...but what I would think is the ongoing depth issues. Our guys have taken more practice reps and live game reps since they were freshmen than the should. Thats not to mention that we still have starters playing special teams . That is the hall mark of a depth issue. If you have bodies , but dont trust them to play special teams ...you have no depth . Reps to football players are like punches to boxers ...you can only absorb so many. Thats why you see super deep teams subbing guys . Save a guy 10 reps a game , thats 120 a season ...thats injury prevention. When you are constantly behind and there is really no talent behind you ...you absorb the reps.

It could very well be multiple problems ...reps , s&c, technique all creating a perfect storm

 

[ftsandersvol]

If that's the case, let's open up the checkbook and get the S&C coach from Bama.