Rupert Murdoch Praising Obama?

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TennNC said:
Then we should sell the crap out of some ICBMs to Iran and North Korea - we may be able to pay off the cost of the Iraq war that way.
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I'm sure some people would be more than willing to. Plus, I wouldn't compare Murdoch starting a TV news station to selling weapons to terrorists. Just a way to make money to him.
 
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TennNC said:
Who's the joke really on?
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Why are you making this hard, he is a capitalist and he saw an opening in the news world and took it by storm.

What does his personal feelings have to do with any thing!

Praise him for being smart!
 
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allvol123 said:
I'm sure some people would be more than willing to. Plus, I wouldn't compare Murdoch starting a TV news station to selling weapons to terrorists. Just a way to make money to him.
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obviously I was being facetious, but both examples would be fulfilling a need to make $$ at the detriment of their personal beliefs. I see that as odd. If the outcome of such a business venture were irrelevant to one's beliefs, then I could see the merits in pursuing it.
 
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TennNC said:
obviously I was being facetious, but both examples would be fulfilling a need to make $$ at the detriment of their personal beliefs. I see that as odd. If the outcome of such a business venture were irrelevant to one's beliefs, then I could see the merits in pursuing it.
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But this is where we're going to diagree. Fox leans to the right, but not as much as some think.
 
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MG1968 said:
all the people who waste time bashing FNC while watching Keith Olbermann and Bill Maher.
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Okay - I watch neither of those guys, so I guess I'm not the butt of it.

BTW, thanks for thinking I was smart - I take that as a compliment (honestly - no sarcasm).
 
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TennNC said:
Okay - I watch neither of those guys, so I guess I'm not the butt of it.

BTW, thanks for thinking I was smart - I take that as a compliment (honestly - no sarcasm).
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Trust me... they bash Fox 24/7. Olbermann does it becaise of his ideology plus he's getting his butt kicked in the ratings.
 
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TennNC said:
obviously I was being facetious, but both examples would be fulfilling a need to make $$ at the detriment of their personal beliefs. I see that as odd. If the outcome of such a business venture were irrelevant to one's beliefs, then I could see the merits in pursuing it.
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How would Fox News be detrimental to his personal beliefs? He is still allowed to hold his beliefs. I don't think FNC is creating some ground swell of American conservatism. Probably one of his greatest personal beliefs is his belief that he likes being rich.
 
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allvol123 said:
How would Fox News be detrimental to his personal beliefs? He is still allowed to hold his beliefs. I don't think FNC is creating some ground swell of American conservatism. Probably one of his greatest personal beliefs is his belief that he likes being rich.
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Actually, it's not conservative enough for me. :p O'reilly is no hard core conservative, Greta isn't, and Hannity has Colmes.
 
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volsforever27 said:
Actually, it's not conservative enough for me. :p O'reilly is no hard core conservative, Greta isn't, and Hannity has Colmes.
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Exactly, the mass media leans so far left that when something like FNC comes along it gets viewed as "conservative". Geez. O'Reilly is such a dumbass.
 
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volsforever27 said:
But this is where we're going to diagree. Fox leans to the right, but not as much as some think.
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It all depends on your perspective. Everything is relative. I'm sure a lot of the criticism is exaggerated.

As volinbham stated in a separate thread some time back, there's a difference btwn Fox's news reporting and its "opinion shows" with hosts like O'Reilly and Hannity. I personally can't watch Fox, not as much b/c of the political bent but more b/c it's favors entertainment over reporting - I just feel like it's not as legitimate a news source b/c everything is so sensationalized and flashy. Now, CNN is pretty close there too, I admit, and in fact most TV is "infotainment." I try to stick to NPR, the BBC, various papers, magazines and websites.
 
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TennNC said:
It all depends on your perspective. Everything is relative. I'm sure a lot of the criticism is exaggerated.

As volinbham stated in a separate thread some time back, there's a difference btwn Fox's news reporting and its "opinion shows" with hosts like O'Reilly and Hannity. I personally can't watch Fox, not as much b/c of the political bent but more b/c it's favors entertainment over reporting - I just feel like it's not as legitimate a news source b/c everything is so sensationalized and flashy. Now, CNN is pretty close there too, I admit, and in fact most TV is "infotainment." I try to stick to NPR, the BBC, various papers, magazines and websites.
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It's almsot like an urban legend at this point... everyone says Fox is eveil and too conservative, but when you ask have they sat down and gave it a chance, they say no (not pointing you out, just saying). It does sensatinoalize, but to be honest most of the cable networks do these days. As a conservative, it's all we got, because every other network has such a liberal slant.
 
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allvol123 said:
How would Fox News be detrimental to his personal beliefs? He is still allowed to hold his beliefs. I don't think FNC is creating some ground swell of American conservatism. Probably one of his greatest personal beliefs is his belief that he likes being rich.
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Of course he can still hold his beliefs, but it's difficult to take him seriously either way when he's got competing interests.

This is not an ideological debate. It's one of sheer logic. And maybe we're on different wavelengths.

I know RM wants to make money. I also am being told he's a liberal. So he creates a media company devoted to pushing a conservative agenda -- spends a ton of money making it huge, expanding it, galvanizing conservatives across this country, encouraging more people to espouse conservative beliefs. And it's ammunition against any type of liberal movement. Fox is the enemy of the liberal. Therefore, Murdoch is either not really a liberal, he doesn't care about his political beliefs much, or he's really odd.

How is this not a conflict of interests?
 
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TennNC said:
Of course he can still hold his beliefs, but it's difficult to take him seriously either way when he's got competing interests.

This is not an ideological debate. It's one of sheer logic. And maybe we're on different wavelengths.

I know RM wants to make money. I also am being told he's a liberal. So he creates a media company devoted to pushing a conservative agenda -- spends a ton of money making it huge, expanding it, galvanizing conservatives across this country, encouraging more people to espouse conservative beliefs. And it's ammunition against any type of liberal movement. Fox is the enemy of the liberal. Therefore, Murdoch is either not really a liberal, he doesn't care about his political beliefs much, or he's really odd.

How is this not a conflict of interests?
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He saw a demand for it, started it, made millions that he donates to the libs. Actually, maybe he's playing more of a joke on us.
 
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volsforever27 said:
It's almsot like an urban legend at this point... everyone says Fox is eveil and too conservative, but when you ask have they sat down and gave it a chance, they say no (not pointing you out, just saying). It does sensatinoalize, but to be honest most of the cable networks do these days. As a conservative, it's all we got, because every other network has such a liberal slant.
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Well, I used to watch it more often, and then I couldn't take it anymore. My folks watch it, and when I'm at their house I want to scream at the television. I understand you feel this way watching other news channels and programming. We tend to flock to reporting that tells us what we want to hear. But it'd be nice if there were more options (like the Economist, the BBC, C-SPAN) that were more palatable and as objective as possible in their reporting.

Understand one other bit about my background: I was a reporter in DC for three years for Congressional Quarterly, and we had to be so objective to not even use "leading" words like Campaign Finance "Reform," b/c reform insinuates some positive change, so we called it "Campaign Finance Revision." Just an example of having "objectivity" in reporting beaten into me.

Just realized we're having a civil discussion, btw. Good for us.
 
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TennNC said:
Well, I used to watch it more often, and then I couldn't take it anymore. My folks watch it, and when I'm at their house I want to scream at the television. I understand you feel this way watching other news channels and programming. We tend to flock to reporting that tells us what we want to hear. But it'd be nice if there were more options (like the Economist, the BBC, C-SPAN) that were more palatable and as objective as possible in their reporting.

Understand one other bit about my background: I was a reporter in DC for three years for Congressional Quarterly, and we had to be so objective to not even use "leading" words like Campaign Finance "Reform," b/c reform insinuates some positive change, so we called it "Campaign Finance Revision." Just an example of having "objectivity" in reporting beaten into me.

Just realized we're having a civil discussion, btw. Good for us.
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When you realize how awesome I am,plus the fact I'm always right, we'll get along just fine. :) Kidding, I'm married, therefore I'm never right.
 
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MG1968 said:
the same way it's not a conflict of interest for Ted Turner's CNN to have Glenn Beck, who is further to the right than O'Reilly.
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I see your point, but that's one program vs. an entire network.

To me, it'd be like finding out Karl Rove was a major investor in Air America.
 
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volsforever27 said:
When you realize how awesome I am,plus the fact I'm always right, we'll get along just fine. :) Kidding, I'm married, therefore I'm never right.
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Dude, I get beaten up so much at home ("my husband is SUCH AN IDIOT") I have to take out my frustrations here.

Actually, I (heart) my wife very much.
 
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Karl Rove isn't that stupid.

You also make it sound as though FNC were monolithic in it's conservative slant. Yet it's been pointed out numerous times they have several liberals with their own shows. Geraldo, Greta, at one time they had Paula Zahn. Alan Colmes, as a co-host to Hannity, sometimes gets lost in the background, but if you've ever listened to his radio show, is as hard left as Olbermann, Phil Donohue or Chris Matthews.

FNC also has a stable of left of center contributors that are far more capable than the right of center contributors you'll see on CNN, MSNBC, or the Big 3.
 
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