Rumors swirling about QB competition

[vol/nooga]

question, is SGMVols and Cusses10 the same person?

Color me stupid, but both of them seems to know a heck of a lot more than others...

Never mind...! if that was true, then one person would have over 5,000 feeds in less than a year!

Can someone tell me what pictures Crompton's dad has on Hamilton or Kiffin?

 

[Pooods]

2 staffs have put Stephens at 2nd string. Do you call both incorrect?

I have almost come the conclusion the former staff didn't know what a football was so I don't even consider what their opinions were. Lane didn't name a true starter for some time so he had doubts too. There's a chance Stephens sucks even worse that what we have. I just don't think who we are starting now will be able to win many games for us this year. I don't see the harm in trying him again under this staff and game plan in a real live game. The outcome might be different than in 08. I know, it's a reach.

 

[crusse10]

question, is SGMVols and Cusses10 the same person?

Color me stupid, but both of them seems to know a heck of a lot more than others...

Never mind...! if that was true, then one person would have over 5,000 feeds in less than a year!

Can someone tell me what pictures Crompton's dad has on Hamilton or Kiffin?

Nope. Sure aren't. Thanks, though.

Pictures? Ohhhhhhhh. There you are insinuating things again.

 

[sjt18]

SJt18: did Kiffin tell you what happened in his office that day?

No. It is what you discern when you read the comments of both guys. Coleman and Kiffin had words mostly because Coleman wanted assurances that CLK refused to give. Both have implied that.

What we KNOW is that Coleman's scholarship wasn't revoked. He wasn't kicked off the team... and while he was whining to the Chattanooga media, Kiffin and the AD's office were still trying to figure out what was going on with him.

All i know is that Kiffin said before the spring that he would name his starting QB after the spring Game....and he couldn't becasue it would show his hand for next year....

I don't recall that. If you have a direct quote it would settle it rather than arguing over it.

I do KNOW that Kiffin said Stephens would get an opportunity to compete in August. Presumably BJ knew he'd have the same opportunity.

Do I think Coleman demanded he get the starting nod or he's leaving? nope... and I never heard Kiffin tell it that way either.... did you?

Not necessarily. I don't know precisely what demands he made but both made comments that demonstrated that Coleman wanted assurances that CLK wouldn't give. It could have been something as simple as reps with the 1st O during August. It could have been the starting job. It could have been that he'd get some sort of advantage over a new recruit.

Do I blame Coleman for wanting to put his foot on a football field and call a snap count on Saturday? Nope...

That's definitely a place where we part company. Kiffin said Coleman would have to compete. When faced with that challenge, he took an easier option. I like him... but that was a stupid mistake. Like I said earlier, there's a good chance he'd be starting right now if he'd stayed.

When Stephens gets screwed over next year, Kiffins plan will be complete.... he will have his "name brand boys on the field, and we will have to wait for them to mature into a D1 QB.... in a hurry....

BJ didn't get screwed over and you've yet to cite one proof that he did. In fact according to you, he left on his own because he wanted to know he'd start.

Stephens isn't going to get "screwed over" either. If he has any talent at all (and I believe he does) then any newcomer will have a long, long road to beating him out. If they do then it is on him and the new QB, not Kiffin.

 

[JohnWardForever]

Much as I like CLK---I cannot side with him on the qb sit. Coleman left because he wanted none of the treatment that Nick is getting. Anyone that thinks Stephens is getting a fair shake in view of Cromps performance is Kiffin blind. Nick should have been inserted after Cromp's 3rd pick---Ist series in the second half of the UCLA game. Competition was "very very close." I believe Kiffin's obsession with getting a top qb signed is the reason we haven't seen Nick. Cromps OUB pass at UF was all I needed to see. Head case. Cromp will cost the Vols 3-4 more losses.

My opinion----and I've heard all the others---PLENTY.

 

[crusse10]

Much as I like CLK---I cannot side with him on the qb sit. Coleman left because he wanted none of the treatment that Nick is getting. Anyone that thinks Stephens is getting a fair shake in view of Cromps performance is Kiffin blind. Nick should have been inserted after Cromp's 3rd pick---Ist series in the second half of the UCLA game. Competition was "very very close." I believe Kiffin's obsession with getting a top qb signed is the reason we haven't seen Nick. Cromps OUB pass at UF was all I needed to see. Head case. Cromp will cost the Vols 3-4 more losses.

My opinion----and I've heard all the others---PLENTY.

After the 3rd INT how did he do? He was 6-9 (47 yards) until the final drive when the O-line collapsed like a trailer in tornado alley.

 

[slobberknocker]

Apparently I am the only Chattanoogan who doesn't drink Coleman Kool-Aid. Two different coaching staffs have made the determination that between Crompton, Stephens, and Coleman, Crompton is the best QB we have. As much as I criticize Stephens, I at least give him credit for sticking around and trying to compete for the job, unlike The Quitter.

No, you're not. Coleman has as much arm strength as Barney Fife.

 

[notaguru2]

After the 3rd INT how did he do? He was 6-9 (47 yards) until the final drive when the O-line collapsed like a trailer in tornado alley.

You do realize that JC is averaging 1 INT per 13 attempts, right? Thats a liability NO SANE COACH would accept, nor should we as fans.

 

[ukvols]

We are still evaluating Cam Newton, and if we offer him, we have a great chance to get him (5* QB who left UF).
Where is Stephens going to go? Who would want him?
Name 1 QB ever who has transferred in the off-season prior to his senior year.

Billy Jack Haskins

 

[Godfatha]

All sorts of idiocy in this thread.
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[tennrich1]

I'm sorry but you folks obviously saw a different Stephens last year than I....I think what you will see Sat. is Crompton for most of the 1st half and MAYBE Stephens for the 2nd half...

And guys...dont think Bray will come in ready...hes nowhere near ready physically....

 

[deezvols]

i hope i'm wrong...... but i think kiffin is going to use the ohio game as a confidence builder for crompton. i don't think we'll see stephens unless we get the score way up there early, but again...... this is one time i wouldn't mind being wrong

 

[utvolpj]

And guys...dont think Bray will come in ready...hes nowhere near ready physically....

based on what? He's a similar size to previous qb's as freshmen and he will be on campus in Jan. No reason to think he won't be ready physically

 

[Volsfan4243]

Let's face it, Crompton is not an SEC caliber QB. Kiffin obviuosly has no faith in him based on the play calling against Florida. Crompton was only allowed to throw to the backs or rollouts with one read to the flats. Whenever he has to sit in the pocket, read defenses, and throw down the field, bad things happen. UT can not compete in SEC with him at te helm. If we stick with Crompton, we will only beat Ohio, Vandy, and Memphis. We could get lucky with Kentucky, Auburn, or USC. I think Stephens should get a chance but I understand the argument against it. Kiffin chose Crompton because he worked hard in the off-season, looked good in practice, and Kiffin knew him from recruiting him at SC. Crompton has all the tools but has no confidence and can not handle the mental aspects of football. Stephens kept the competition close with a broken wrist and limited playing time. Crompton has had much more time under center durng his tenure at UT but struggled to take command of the team. I know if Stephens plays and it doesn't pan out, we have no more options. Crompton will be done if he is benched, however he played his best coming off the bench with no pressure on him to win. Recruitng also played a huge part in the decision to start Crompton because he is a senior. Kiffin can sell early playing time to incoming freshmen. I am afriad that Crompton will lose the team if he keeps playing this way. I am not sure guys like Gerald Jones believe in him anyway. What if Stephens comes in and plays really well? It could happen. I don't wish injury on anyone but I wouldn't mind Stephens getting a chance and that may be the only way Stephens gets in. Maybe we will go up big early against Ohio and Stephens will get a chance. It would be interesting to see how the team responds to him.
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[Weatherman]

Much as I like CLK---I cannot side with him on the qb sit. Coleman left because he wanted none of the treatment that Nick is getting. Anyone that thinks Stephens is getting a fair shake in view of Cromps performance is Kiffin blind. Nick should have been inserted after Cromp's 3rd pick---Ist series in the second half of the UCLA game. Competition was "very very close." I believe Kiffin's obsession with getting a top qb signed is the reason we haven't seen Nick. Cromps OUB pass at UF was all I needed to see. Head case. Cromp will cost the Vols 3-4 more losses.

My opinion----and I've heard all the others---PLENTY.

I agree.

 

[37620VOL]

2 staffs have put Stephens at 2nd string. Do you call both incorrect?

If Fulmer was such a genius, why is he gone? Is it not plausible that Stephens fell behind Crompton due to breaking his wrist? Is it not plausible after watching Crompton's horrendous performances, the destruction of Crompton's confidence, and the lack of confidence that Kiffen seems to have in Crompton, that Stephens is likely to improve our team's chances of winning?

 

[37620VOL]

based on what? He's a similar size to previous qb's as freshmen and he will be on campus in Jan. No reason to think he won't be ready physically

There is no reason to think Bray will be physically ready. If he is so highly touted, who are his other offers? One of Stephens or Lamaison is probably going to be your starter next year.

 

[JohnWardForever]

After the 3rd INT how did he do? He was 6-9 (47 yards) until the final drive when the O-line collapsed like a trailer in tornado alley.

4th and 3---and you run the belly play? Complete indictment on the qb---IMO.
OL did a great job considering UCLA has a couple of studs on D-line and they KNEW what was coming. A team consists of 11 players-- and 1 liability will get you beat. We got that.

 

[37620VOL]

I support anyone wearing orange, but I'm pulling for Stephens to start because then I will have hope. With Crompton, UGA and Bama are automatic losses, sans a miracle. Further with Crompton, I don't see much hope for a bowl. The book is out on UT; crowd the line and don't get beat by the run.

 

[JohnWardForever]

If Fulmer was such a genius, why is he gone? Is it not plausible that Stephens fell behind Crompton due to breaking his wrist? Is it not plausible after watching Crompton's horrendous performances, the destruction of Crompton's confidence, and the lack of confidence that Kiffen seems to have in Crompton, that Stephens is likely to improve our team's chances of winning?

Yes---Yes----and YES.

 

[Volfan76]

There is no reason to think Bray will be physically ready. If he is so highly touted, who are his other offers? One of Stephens or Lamaison is probably going to be your starter next year.

That is the most ridiculous thing said on this thread yet...and that is saying something k:

 

[utvolpj]

There is no reason to think Bray will be physically ready. If he is so highly touted, who are his other offers? One of Stephens or Lamaison is probably going to be your starter next year.

if one of those 2 is our starter we are in the same boat as thisyear. We need new blood at qb

 

[JohnWardForever]

based on what? He's a similar size to previous qb's as freshmen and he will be on campus in Jan. No reason to think he won't be ready physically

He'd better put on 25 lbs----or some big ole DE will break those bones. Dude is skinny with a capitol S.

 

[utvolpj]

He'd better put on 25 lbs----or some big ole DE will break those bones. Dude is skinny with a capitol S.

so was Manning, Ainge, etc.

 

[JohnWardForever]

Let's face it, Crompton is not an SEC caliber QB. Kiffin obviuosly has no faith in him based on the play calling against Florida. Crompton was only allowed to throw to the backs or rollouts with one read to the flats. Whenever he has to sit in the pocket, read defenses, and throw down the field, bad things happen. UT can not compete in SEC with him at te helm. If we stick with Crompton, we will only beat Ohio, Vandy, and Memphis. We could get lucky with Kentucky, Auburn, or USC. I think Stephens should get a chance but I understand the argument against it. Kiffin chose Crompton because he worked hard in the off-season, looked good in practice, and Kiffin knew him from recruiting him at SC. Crompton has all the tools but has no confidence and can not handle the mental aspects of football. Stephens kept the competition close with a broken wrist and limited playing time. Crompton has had much more time under center durng his tenure at UT but struggled to take command of the team. I know if Stephens plays and it doesn't pan out, we have no more options. Crompton will be done if he is benched, however he played his best coming off the bench with no pressure on him to win. Recruitng also played a huge part in the decision to start Crompton because he is a senior. Kiffin can sell early playing time to incoming freshmen. I am afriad that Crompton will lose the team if he keeps playing this way. I am not sure guys like Gerald Jones believe in him anyway. What if Stephens comes in and plays really well? It could happen. I don't wish injury on anyone but I wouldn't mind Stephens getting a chance and that may be the only way Stephens gets in. Maybe we will go up big early against Ohio and Stephens will get a chance. It would be interesting to see how the team responds to him.
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Attaboy for you. Valid points---indeed.