Rumors swirling about QB competition

#126
#126
duckman398686 said:
i wouldn't go that far. bray has a really good shot at seeing the field early next year IMO

if fulmer could do it with schaffer and ainge, then it's not that far-fetched so say that kiffin would do the same thing with bray as a freshman
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He very well could go with Bray but 187 pounds at 6'6 is ridiculously skinny. No way he makes it through an entire year in the SEC at that weight, especially considering that we're losing our entire offensive line. Stephens will have to play substansial minutes next year regardless imo.
 
#127
#127
duckman398686 said:
also, if you let crompton start then you're setting yourself up for false hope again. if he can light up wku with 5tds, then it's likely that he can do well against ohio too. then because of that good game, we continue to let him start the next 2 or 3 games against sec opponents he can't win against.

it's a vicious cycle.
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Then Kiffin should tell JC in private that if he starts this week that he will not accept another UCLA disaster or he will have to pull the plug. Odds are high anyways that JC will start Saturday since he already told the world JC is his QB on Sunday on the Lane Kiffin show.
 
#128
#128
If the ONLY difference between Crompton and Stephens were "mental toughness," then Stephens would be starter. Period. End of story. As hatvol and a few others have pointed out before, though, three different OCs have picked Crompton over Stephens ---- is everybody else around here forgetting that little tidbit?

They've all seen both those guys in practice and in games. Crompton is still the starter.

In my opinion CLK is in a Catch-22 here: go with the guy who can do it in practice but not in a game, or go with a guy who can't do it in practice?

That CLK has not 100% replaced Crompton with Stephens at this point should speak volumes.

To me, there is obviously a lot of "stuff unsaid" and "stuff going on behind the scenes" to explain why the situation is what it is.

Why do so many Kiffin supporters seem to be of the opinion that CLK brings everything to the table you want in a head coach except the ability to pick a starting QB?
 
#129
#129
rekinhavoc said:
I get the feeling that Crompton is a pet project. I agree eventually the team will quit on him . I have not seen or heard him take any responsibility for the offensive woes. I also don't think it is fair to the guys playing their guts out on D. Stephens may not be better but is he a better leader?
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I haven't seen anything yet about Kiffin that would indicate he's into pet projects. Kiffin is about winning and I believe he's going to put the best team and best game plan he can to maximize opportunity to win.

If JC is the best option at QB at this point then the question has to go back to the previous staff of why they let us get some thin and devoid of talent at such an important position.
 
#130
#130
For the poster above giving Bray's weight. What is an anticipated weight add under a daily S&C program at UT for a QB? If he gets in in January at 185, what would be realistic to expect by the start of the season?

As for which QB takes the snaps this year, you probably only have one chance to make a QB switch. Since there is nothing behind Stephens if he were to be a dud on the field, do you really want to strike your last match this early in the season?
 
#131
#131
tennisguy said:
I think you have to go with Stephens at this point. He can't be worse. He definitely seems to work better under pressure than Crompton. Crompton might be the better practice QB, but last year Stephens was the better game QB. Thing is, if he plays both of them this week an even amount of time, Crompton might still look better. Crompton does fine when he is not pressured, and I am not sure if he will be pressured much this week. But, then he gets in a game where he is pressured, he falls apart. I think they need to just go with Stephens, stick with him and have him ready for next year. I can't see why they wouldn't at this point.
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This. If you remember the games last year when NS played you saw the flashes of a decent QB. He always seemed more relaxed and willing to stand in the pocket and gun the ball to a WR. While he may have made some poor choices and thrown a ball or two in some tight spots, he appeared to be much less of a head case than Crompton. As open as some of our receivers have been this year I think even NS could have completed some passes. At this point Crompton knows CLK has no faith in his abilities as a passer or play maker, so why not give NS a chance to get some PT and see if he can't lead us to greener pastures. On a side note: I really hate the fact that we're having this discussion AGAIN, after that WKU game I, like many, held false hope in JCs ability. However, we now know that JC is only the greatest practice player to ever dawn the orange and white; we once again see the inability of the previous staff to get a top notch QB. Sorry if this reads like a collection of random thoughts :)
 
#132
#132
Lets say they are both the same - doesn't matter which one we play we get the same results over the long haul (which many seem to believe). Which one got the higher SAT (or is it ACT at UT?) - that's who I'd play the rest of the year.
 
#133
#133
So what if he is a dud? Can he really be worse than Crompton? I highly doubt it. I would rather strike my last match and hope it burns, than have Crompton piss all over the whole box. But I would feel better about Bray if he can get to 200lbs, about what Ainge was as a freshman.
 
#134
#134
This year, if you thought you could get 8 wins out of Crompton or 7 wins out of Stephens, who would you guys go with?

...Personally, I think I'd go with Stephens.
 
#135
#135
I think it's time to see what NS can do. Nothing against JC but he hasn't quite shown that he has a complete understanding of the offense. I mean how many games can we go with a vanilla game plan. We have brought in a top 10 recruiting class this year and we are working on one next year too. I think that NS would give us a better chance because he has some intangibles that I don't think JC has. 1) I think that NS has a better arm and better legs. 2) If NS gets into trouble he'll run and not try to throw into triple coverage a la, JC.

Personally, I throw out the game against WKY because they were inferior to us anyway, we basically beat them because we outweighed them and we overall had better talent. But against UCLA and Florida, we had equal or lesser talent and we were beat still, even though we did everything right on defense offense couldn't sustain drives. With all that being said, I think JC should start against Ohio, but he should split some snaps with NS to see who can run the team better.
 
#136
#136
tennisguy said:
He was definitely late Saturday throwing the ball to G. Jones in the end zone. Jones was open for 2-3 seconds before he actually tried to make the pass. When Crompton did finally throw it to him, he threw it out of the end zone and Jones couldn't keep his feet in.
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He was scrambling to make that play. That wasn't Cromp's fault. He put the ball where it needed to be. The 1st pick was the perfect example of Cromp not getting the ball out in time. A few of his interceptions have been the same.
 
#137
#137
Let me say this and if it has been posted already then great so, if CLK decides to add a new wrinkle to the offense by letting EB run some plays at QB and Tennessee wins some close games because of it...ERIC BERRY WILL WIN THE HEISMAN. Book it.
 
#138
#138
tango said:
This year, if you thought you could get 8 wins out of Crompton or 7 wins out of Stephens, who would you guys go with?

...Personally, I think I'd go with Stephens.
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How many extra wins would NS get us next yr if he got us 7 this yr?
 
#139
#139
My personal thoughts are that the issue with Cromp-Daddy is not that he doesnt have the skills or that he lacks preparation. Phil & Co. along with Kiffin and Co. have both gone with Crompton so he has to have the goods. The problem is when the lights come on they are too bright for Crompton and he crumbles. Even if Stevens is 80% of what Crompton is in practice then I will take it because I think he will translate his skills over better to GAMEDAY than Crompton. Plus god willingly he actually could improve as the season goes on thus giving us some bit of hope for next year!!

Either way you cut it at somepoint your recievers are going to quit on you if you have a QB that can't throw.:matrix:
 
#140
#140
Kiffin is about winning. We have one Sec loss. Fl still has roadblocks . Ut still has a shot at the Sec championship. Time to roll the dice. Ohio is a good place start.
 
#141
#141
They always say that the backup QB is the most popular guy in town, but some of you guys are delusional. Stephens was just as horrible last year as Crompton. Crompton's beaten him out repeatedly. Any change Kiffin makes is going to be just for the sake of change in and of itself, not because there's a reasonable expectation that QB play will improve.

Anybody howling for Stephens on the field really needs to go back and watch the Wyoming game again. I'm not saying that Kiffin shouldn't try making a switch, but it's by no means the slam-dunk that a lot of you guys think it is. There simply isn't anybody on this team that can play QB at the I-A level.
 
#142
#142
JeffB4UT said:
Obviously, I agree that QB is an issue, but don't think that is the only issue. In the games against UCLA and UF, and all of last year, there typically is no separation between our WR and the secondary. It is something I noticed last year and other than WKU it is the same as this year. When JC throws an INT, what I see is that the WR isn't necessarily open. Personally, I think JONES and MOORE are not great WR and Warren really isn't either. So, I am not convinced we would be in ATL if we had better QB play. Anyone could get open against WKU and to speak of it, it was mainly young guys getting open. No Jones or Moore and Warren only caught 3 balls that day.
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Very smart post. The problem isn't all Crompdaddy. Why do you think this class of recruits has a couple of stud wide receivers in it. Cromp and Stevens may very well both suck. (With JC I say that's a definite) However, Jones has never been a playmaker at UT, BW is a converted TE, and Denarius Moore, was always a utility receiver at best. Also should point out that Hancock had the best game against FL.
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#144
#144
I think now is definately the time to make a switch if one is going to be made. Stephens deserves the same chance as Crompton to play and easy game and build his confidence before facing Auburn or another tough opponent. Florida wasn't sure if Kiffin was just trying to get out of the game against UCLA without making a mistake, but now teams know for sure that TN will NOT throw the ball downfield with Crompton and defenses will be putting 9 guys in the box to stop the run. I just really have a hard time seeing a downside of giving Stephens a shot at this point.
 
#145
#145
EricFreakingBerry said:
I'm telling you guys, if we have a QB competition right now between two quarterbacks, it's because we have zero quarterbacks.

If Stephens wins this, and even if he lights up Ohio it's pretty delusional to expect him to look any less lost against SEC competition in a few weeks.
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This.
 
#148
#148
Originally Posted by tango
This year, if you thought you could get 8 wins out of Crompton or 7 wins out of Stephens, who would you guys go with?

...Personally, I think I'd go with Stephens.
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RockyTopJA said:
How many extra wins would NS get us next yr if he got us 7 this yr?
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Maybe you can answer your own question --->

Saying we can predict the future with 100% accuracy and "knowing" that if you start Stephens you will only get 7 wins this year (while going with Crompton will give you 8), do you replace Crompton with Stephens if you know, again with 100% accuracy, that you'll only get 6 wins out of Stephens NEXT year?

What about only 7 wins NEXT year?
What about 10+ wins NEXT year? (I think that's a no-brainer, but I'll ask it anyway)
 
#149
#149
It is a mess either way.

I am sick of seeing Ron Jeremy at quarterback!

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#150
#150
tango said:
If the ONLY difference between Crompton and Stephens were "mental toughness," then Stephens would be starter. Period. End of story. As hatvol and a few others have pointed out before, though, three different OCs have picked Crompton over Stephens ---- is everybody else around here forgetting that little tidbit?

They've all seen both those guys in practice and in games. Crompton is still the starter.

In my opinion CLK is in a Catch-22 here: go with the guy who can do it in practice but not in a game, or go with a guy who can't do it in practice?

That CLK has not 100% replaced Crompton with Stephens at this point should speak volumes.

To me, there is obviously a lot of "stuff unsaid" and "stuff going on behind the scenes" to explain why the situation is what it is.

Why do so many Kiffin supporters seem to be of the opinion that CLK brings everything to the table you want in a head coach except the ability to pick a starting QB?
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By now, it seems pretty clear that this right here is the entire issue. Crompton can't do it in games, but Stephens can't do it at all. It's easy to see why a coach might think the guy who can perform in practice has a better chance to figure things out than the guy who can't ever perform at all.
 
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