Rumore swirling dobbs has broken ribs

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Jxn Vol said:
There was no helmet to helmet contact. That is what makes this different form JRM hit. The head always leads because it is positioned superior to the shoulders. Unless we figure out how to reposition the head somewhere different on the human body then that's the way it will be. It's all about head position and weather it makes contact with the ball carriers helmet. You can't spear with the head down but as long as there is no helmet to helmet contact it won't get called.
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Plus Dobbs jumped up into the air and into him, I'm not sure what the App. St. guy was supposed to do.
 
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I too thought perhaps Dobbs bruised or even cracked ribs with that collision last night. Did not compel me to start a thread saying I heard a rumor (from myself?) saying it was true.

OP, if you got that idea from your own head, or from others on these boards, say so and let's shut this thread down. On the other hand, if you heard it from someone in a position to know, say that. But don't just leave it hanging like you accidentally pocket-dialed VolNation and don't realize we're on the line....
 
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SaintLouisVol said:
If that hit was illegal, the world has become so wussified that football should just be banned or colleges can play flag.
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I think the world is already there. But, I'm one, of the few evidently, that doesn't think JRM's hit was illegal..

Not to derail, but I question why the 'Quarterback' of the defense is playing special teams on team 120. Do we not have enough young talent to cover that? Let one of the younger guys get ejected for 'targeting' not JRM.. Questionable coaching IMO..
 
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m1al said:
I think the world is already there. But, I'm one, of the few evidently, that doesn't think JRM's hit was illegal..

Not to derail, but I question why the 'Quarterback' of the defense is playing special teams on team 120. Do we not have enough young talent to cover that? Let one of the younger guys get ejected for 'targeting' not JRM.. Questionable coaching IMO..
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I agree. JRM was already so close he couldn't stop. His hit would have been around the waist until the guy squats. Thats what needs fixed on the targeting rule which I had hopes for this year but doesn't look like it's fixed.

Have to agree with you again and say, why is JRM on special teams? We don't have a 2cd string kid chomping at the bits to hit someone?
 
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m1al said:
Not to derail, but I question why the 'Quarterback' of the defense is playing special teams on team 120. Do we not have enough young talent to cover that?....
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Mussberger and Palmer were wrong about that last night, Al. JRM is certainly a vocal leader on the defense, but our "defensive QB" is Kirkland at MLB. He's the play-caller and sheriff. It comes with the position. And from all accounts, young Darrin is doing the job very well.

Not disagreeing with you about any of your other points.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Mussberger and Palmer were wrong about that last night, Al. JRM is certainly a vocal leader on the defense, but our "defensive QB" is Kirkland at MLB. He's the play-caller and sheriff. It comes with the position. And from all accounts, young Darrin is doing the job very well.

Not disagreeing with you about any of your other points.
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Settled in as the game went on I thought
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
. . .His hit would have been around the waist until the guy squats. Thats what needs fixed on the targeting rule which I had hopes for this year but doesn't look like it's fixed. . .
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This is certainly the most frustrating aspect of the rule. In my opinion, if the helmet of the offensive player moves into the path of the helmet of the defensive player after the defensive player has committed to the hit, there should be no ejection. If they still want to call the penalty, fine. But, you shouldn't disqualify a player for an "accident."

This point was made: everyone on the field has a head attached between the shoulders and the heads have helmets on them. To some degree, you're leading with your head on every tackle.
 
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m1al said:
I think the world is already there. But, I'm one, of the few evidently, that doesn't think JRM's hit was illegal..

Not to derail, but I question why the 'Quarterback' of the defense is playing special teams on team 120. Do we not have enough young talent to cover that? Let one of the younger guys get ejected for 'targeting' not JRM.. Questionable coaching IMO..
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Special teams are a hallmark of Butch's system. One of the reasons we have been so successful in that department is that he isn't scared to play starters. It's a trade-off and to most it would appear the benefits outweigh the risks. Cam Sutton only lead the nation in PR yd average and took 2 to the house last year.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Mussberger and Palmer were wrong about that last night, Al. JRM is certainly a vocal leader on the defense, but our "defensive QB" is Kirkland at MLB. He's the play-caller and sheriff. It comes with the position. And from all accounts, young Darrin is doing the job very well.

Not disagreeing with you about any of your other points.
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I wasn't taking their word for it. They are idiots but that's another discussion.. I honestly thought JRM was 'the guy'.. At the very least he's the heart and vocal leader of the defense and they looked flat after he left the game. I still question why is he out there on ST's? I have to believe we've got the talent now to cover it..
 
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JFreak said:
Special teams are a hallmark of Butch's system. One of the reasons we have been so successful in that department is that he isn't scared to play starters. It's a trade-off and to most it would appear the benefits outweigh the risks. Cam Sutton only lead the nation in PR yd average and took 2 to the house last year.
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I get what your saying and agree to an extent but it didn't seem to help them last night.. Special teams were not special.. Not much of anything was BUT, it was a win.. Here's to hoping this was the 'we couldn't stick out thumb up our ass' game for the year..
 
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m1al said:
I wasn't taking their word for it. They are idiots but that's another discussion.. I honestly thought JRM was 'the guy'.. At the very least he's the heart and vocal leader of the defense and they looked flat after he left the game. I still question why is he out there on ST's? I have to believe we've got the talent now to cover it..
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There's a difference between just covering it and excelling at it. How many games did special teams turn because of their Excellence last year? It is certainly a risk with upside and downside. Last night you saw the latter.
 
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Now, on to Hurd. It appears he misses the hole too much. There were several times he would run up the back of an offensive lineman when if he made a small cut there was some space. Also seemed pretty easy to knock him off his feet considering his size.
 
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Jxn Vol said:
There was no helmet to helmet contact. That is what makes this different form JRM hit. The head always leads because it is positioned superior to the shoulders. Unless we figure out how to reposition the head somewhere different on the human body then that's the way it will be. It's all about head position and weather it makes contact with the ball carriers helmet. You can't spear with the head down but as long as there is no helmet to helmet contact it won't get called.
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When I saw the JRM replay, it looked to me like he hit him shoulder first and then the helmet slid into him. I don't think there was targeting from that aspect.
 
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Volsfaninva917 said:
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Hammer Time!

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Jxn Vol said:
There was no helmet to helmet contact. That is what makes this different form JRM hit. The head always leads because it is positioned superior to the shoulders. Unless we figure out how to reposition the head somewhere different on the human body then that's the way it will be. It's all about head position and weather it makes contact with the ball carriers helmet. You can't spear with the head down but as long as there is no helmet to helmet contact it won't get called.
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I disagree, the rules have been modified such that a shoulder to the head is targeting. You can't hit the ball carrier in the head period.
 
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I just saw the replay again. JRM clearly led with his shoulder, which hit the helmet of the receiver because the receiver dropped down at the last minute. It seems to me this was more the fault of the receiver's action than JRM's action.
 
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ntxVOL said:
I disagree, the rules have been modified such that a shoulder to the head is targeting. You can't hit the ball carrier in the head period.
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The problem with the rule IMO is it is totally subjective. No matter replays slomo whatever, the argument can be made either way whatever is called on the field can be and will be supported. Completely anecdotal but seems like I've only seen one of these calls overruled since it's inception, as the support is always going to be there when called for "player safety." That to me is why it is a poor rule at this point. I think it can be corrected by making it only top of the helmet contact on a defenseless player as applicable. Otherwise if it's any other contact on a defenseless player make it unnecessary roughness only, but suspending a player for simply a hard textbook hit with his shoulder needs to stop IMO.
 
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