Ruby Whitehorn dismissed from the team!

[BigOrangeCrush32]

Never drove and went over the speed limit, or parked even temporarily in a no-parking zone? Or crossed a city road other than in a marked crosswalk?

Normally I would say highly unlikely but for several years I carpooled to work (15 mile ride) with a co-worker who was the most cautious driver I have ever known. I don’t think she ever even got up to the speed limit much less exceed it.

So I will give you credit for being a better citizen than I.

Never parked in a no parking zone, never really lived a big city to do that honestly. Sure I drove over the speed limit some, usually 5-7 mph but not regularly. Of course, yall are trying to compare tickets to drugs and felonies. Good try though and it still doesnt excuse her for throwing away a second opportunity. We dont have to feel sorry for her, she made her bed and she can lie in it.

 

[volfan__18]

Never parked in a no parking zone, never really lived a big city to do that honestly. Sure I drove over the speed limit some, usually 5-7 mph but not regularly. Of course, yall are trying to compare tickets to drugs and felonies. Good try though and it still doesnt excuse her for throwing away a second opportunity. We dont have to feel sorry for her, she made her bed and she can lie in it.

lord i bet your just a joy to be around.

 

[madtownvol]

Never parked in a no parking zone, never really lived a big city to do that honestly. Sure I drove over the speed limit some, usually 5-7 mph but not regularly. Of course, yall are trying to compare tickets to drugs and felonies. Good try though and it still doesnt excuse her for throwing away a second opportunity. We dont have to feel sorry for her, she made her bed and she can lie in it.

Ruby has no felonies on her record (all her transgressions resulted in misdemeanor charges).

 

[BigOrangeCrush32]

lord i bet your just a joy to be around.

I am, I just don't drink, do drugs or break the law. You know, simple sheet.

 

[BigOrangeCrush32]

Ruby has no felonies on her record (all her transgressions resulted in misdemeanor charges).

She was still given a 2nd chance to just stay out of trouble and couldn't even do that. Selfishness. She had her chance and now she reaps what she sowed.

 

[dtnvol]

Ruby has no felonies on her record (all her transgressions resulted in misdemeanor charges).

Also, even in the post-game presser with CKC... Janiah and Mia both stated how Ruby was a blessing to have on the team...someone to go to for advice and a pickup [on-court leadership that lead by example]...[Just to say] even with her own shortcomings, she was there for her teammates...I really wish others would stop commenting as though she meant nothing...she probably needed more help than anyone...more help than she lead to expose, which may have lead to the poor decisions ...You don't know unless you know LVFL

 

[lvocd]

Never parked in a no parking zone, never really lived a big city to do that honestly. Sure I drove over the speed limit some, usually 5-7 mph but not regularly. Of course, yall are trying to compare tickets to drugs and felonies. Good try though and it still doesnt excuse her for throwing away a second opportunity. We dont have to feel sorry for her, she made her bed and she can lie in it.

I guess what some of us are trying to say is that having empathy for others is important. Being an empathetic person requires us to actually care enough to WANT to be willing to think outside our own experiences and belief systems and to open our minds and hearts to the fact that not everyone has the same life experiences from which to draw when they are making choices -- big or small.

As an aside, this brings up a point of pain for me personally. Many Tennessee fans claim to be Jesus-loving Christians, so you'd think their No.1 goal in in life would be to love everyone equally and powerfully, regardless of, well... ANYTHING.

But, nope. There are conditions. Always conditions.

 

[cabbie191]

Never parked in a no parking zone, never really lived a big city to do that honestly. Sure I drove over the speed limit some, usually 5-7 mph but not regularly. Of course, yall are trying to compare tickets to drugs and felonies. Good try though and it still doesnt excuse her for throwing away a second opportunity. We dont have to feel sorry for her, she made her bed and she can lie in it.

Big: first, I absolutely agree with the latter part of what you wrote. No excuses for her and she should be made to pay the consequences of her decisions and actions. I stated in an earlier post that I don’t believe UT & Kim had any responsible choice but to dismiss her.

And I don’t equate drugs & felonies with “minor” traffic offenses. But I do have problems with what I perceive as absolutism, while I also recognize that everyone has a right to their opinions even if sometimes they seem to me to be etched in stone.

Take drugs. Some think marijuana is evil, no matter what. I don’t personally believe it is. Not when our society is plagued with meth, heroin and fentanyl.

Take speeding. I think most all of us will occasionally drive 5-10 over the limit and don’t get too upset when others do this. But what about 15 mph? 20 mph?

Enough said. I hope Ruby is able to get on on a more positive path, and I hope (and expect) the team finds this only a minor blip in a successful season.

 

[chuckiepoo]

I guess what some of us are trying to say is that having empathy for others is important. Being an empathetic person requires us to actually care enough to WANT to be willing to think outside our own experiences and belief systems and to open our minds and hearts to the fact that not everyone has the same life experiences from which to draw when they are making choices -- big or small.

As an aside, this brings up a point of pain for me personally. Many Tennessee fans claim to be Jesus-loving Christians, so you'd think their No.1 goal in in life would be to love everyone equally and powerfully, regardless of, well... ANYTHING.

But, nope. There are conditions. Always conditions.

That extends to allowing someone to be callous.

 

[lvocd]

That extends to allowing someone to be callous.

True. Jesus loved EVERYONE equally, no matter how awful they were.

But sometimes I think Tennessee-themed message boards would make even Jesus think to himself, "Okay. I now understand there are limits to that policy."

 

[BigOrangeCrush32]

True. Jesus loved EVERYONE equally, no matter how awful they were.

But sometimes I think Tennessee-themed message boards would make even Jesus think to himself, "Okay. I now understand there are limits to that policy."

Loving someone and still not agreeing with their decisions and letting them reap what they sow are two separate things. We may love the sinner, but still hate the sin. You dont have to accept their behavior just bc you love them.

 

[lvocd]

Also, even in the post-game presser with CKC... Janiah and Mia both stated how Ruby was a blessing to have on the team...someone to go to for advice and a pickup [on-court leadership that lead by example]...[Just to say] even with her own shortcomings, she was there for her teammates...I really wish others would stop commenting as though she meant nothing...she probably needed more help than anyone...more help than she lead to expose, which may have lead to the poor decisions ...You don't know unless you know LVFL

Yes.

So often in life the most outwardly confident, funniest, supportive-of-others, happy-go-luckiest people are those who, inwardly, are actually the least confident, most quietly sad people in the room.

This is NOT to say that everyone who appears to be confident and happy are faking it, but it definitely is true that for many people their coping mechanism is, whether they realize they are doing it or not, is to "fake it 'til you make it."

 

[lvocd]

Loving someone and still not agreeing with their decisions and letting them reap what they sow are two separate things. We may love the sinner, but still hate the sin. You dont have to accept their behavior just bc you love them.

Oh, okay. I see how simple it all is for you. Good for you. Must be nice to have it all worked out.

 

[Mafiaboss]

lord i bet your just a joy to be around.

 

[madtownvol]

Oh, okay. I see how simple it all is for you. Good for you. Must be nice to have it all worked out.

I am not so sure, "We may love the sinner, but still hate the sin" is exactly what this poster keeps complaining about. i have not seen one poster on this board, "loving the sin" - i.e., Whoohoo, it is so cool that Ruby got arrested twice, you go girl!"

Nope the general sentiment is hoping that Ruby can use this situation as an impetus to get her life on the right track and seek out whatever help/support she needs to make those changes. In other words, loving the "sinner", not the "sin".

So, this poster does not want to own up to their own position, which seems to be "hate and condemn the sinner."

 

[WaywardVol]

Ruby has no felonies on her record (all her transgressions resulted in misdemeanor charges).

She plead down. She was absolutely charged with a felony. Those offenses are often plead down.

 

[WaywardVol]

I am not so sure, "We may love the sinner, but still hate the sin" is exactly what this poster keeps complaining about. i have not seen one poster on this board, "loving the sin" - i.e., Whoohoo, it is so cool that Ruby got arrested twice, you go girl!"

Nope the general sentiment is hoping that Ruby can use this situation as an impetus to get her life on the right track and seek out whatever help/support she needs to make those changes. In other words, loving the "sinner", not the "sin".

So, this poster does not want to own up to their own position, which seems to be "hate and condemn the sinner."

I’m sorry, are there posters condemning Ruby to eternal hellfire, damnation?

Let’s stop pretending that supporting Lim’s decision is somehow making judgments on someone’s soul. Good grief. This is a cultural problem and Kim is protecting her culture. I guess yall believe that Ruby sat down and pinned that letter as well? LOL.

 

[madtownvol]

I’m sorry, are there posters condemning Ruby to eternal hellfire, damnation?

Let’s stop pretending that supporting Lim’s decision is somehow making judgments on someone’s soul. Good grief. This is a cultural problem and Kim is protecting her culture. I guess yall believe that Ruby sat down and pinned that letter as well? LOL.

You should probably follow the thread (and I know it is a LOT) before making a comment like this because it is missing the plot line.

I think everyone is in complete agreement that Coach Caldwell made the right decision in dismissing Ruby. The debate is whether Ruby, in the wake of this dismissal, should be treated with grace and understanding or condemnation and rejection. Since this board has diddly to do with Ruby's actual life circumstances, this debate is an academic one but I think it presents a debate between Old and New Testament moral sensibilities. Anyway, I have said more than my piece on this matter so I shall leave it at that.

 

[NEWDAYVOL]

What I'm surprised no one has noticed or mentioned (I haven't read every single post in this thread)...is the quote from KC that "I feel bad for this current team that we have. Time will tell if it's the right choice for this team, but I have no doubt that it's the right choice for the team 4-5 years from now."

That is very telling. How could "having standards" be the wrong choice for this current team? Seems like there are quite a few "Rubys" on this team that condone, defend, and have no problem with Ruby's actions. She is basically saying there is a presiding culture problem and this type of action (that she took / these standards) will absolutely be the right choice for this program when all of these players are gone and she has a team filled with her own recruits (in 4-5 years).

Don't shoot the messenger. That's pretty much exactly what she said and meant.

 

[RetroVol]

Seems like there are quite a few "Rubys" on this team that condone, defend, and have no problem with Ruby's actions. She is basically saying there is a presiding culture problem and this type of action (that she took / these standards) will absolutely be the right choice for this program when all of these players are gone and she has her own players (in 4-5 years).

Don't shoot the messenger. That's pretty much exactly what she said and meant.

Umm.... That's one interpretation. Not the one that immediately jumped to my mind, but I can see where you got there. But I don't think that's the most obvious interpretation. Mine is that the loss of Ms. Whitehorn as a player will be detrimental to this team. How much remains to be seen, so "time will tell." However, holding to standards and, as she has said before, protecting the Lady Vol brand, is the right thing for the program going forward, i.e., 4-5 years in the picture.

 

[NEWDAYVOL]

Umm.... That's one interpretation. Not the one that immediately jumped to my mind, but I can see where you got there. But I don't think that's the most obvious interpretation. Mine is that the loss of Ms. Whitehorn as a player will be detrimental to this team. How much remains to be seen, so "time will tell." However, holding to standards and, as she has said before, protecting the Lady Vol brand, is the right thing for the program going forward, i.e., 4-5 years in the picture.

I can see that too. Maybe I shouldn't have been so bullish on my own interpretation. haha Could even be a mix of both...or I could just be 100% wrong.

 

[VolBall09]

What I'm surprised no one has noticed or mentioned (I haven't read every single post in this thread)...is the quote from KC that "I feel bad for this current team that we have. Time will tell if it's the right choice for this team, but I have no doubt that it's the right choice for the team 4-5 years from now."

That is very telling. How could "having standards" be the wrong choice for this current team? Seems like there are quite a few "Rubys" on this team that condone, defend, and have no problem with Ruby's actions. She is basically saying there is a presiding culture problem and this type of action (that she took / these standards) will absolutely be the right choice for this program when all of these players are gone and she has a team filled with her own recruits (in 4-5 years).

Don't shoot the messenger. That's pretty much exactly what she said and meant.

This has been debated to death several pages ago.

Ruby was a team favorite. It’s obviously going to be hard for the current players to deal with her loss, not just as a teammate but as a friend. Zee in particular is extremely close to Ruby. It’s a lot to process and an unfortunate situation Ruby put everyone in.

 

[37620VOL]

What I'm surprised no one has noticed or mentioned (I haven't read every single post in this thread)...is the quote from KC that "I feel bad for this current team that we have. Time will tell if it's the right choice for this team, but I have no doubt that it's the right choice for the team 4-5 years from now."

That is very telling. How could "having standards" be the wrong choice for this current team? Seems like there are quite a few "Rubys" on this team that condone, defend, and have no problem with Ruby's actions. She is basically saying there is a presiding culture problem and this type of action (that she took / these standards) will absolutely be the right choice for this program when all of these players are gone and she has a team filled with her own recruits (in 4-5 years).

Don't shoot the messenger. That's pretty much exactly what she said and meant.

Don't shoot the messenger? Shoot, that word salad is about the dumbest thing I've read in a while.

It's no secret that Ruby was a well-liked teammate. Nice, friendly, helpful, charismatic even. Ruby was an encourager, an experienced senior, another coach on the floor. The coaches liked her, the players liked her, it's hard for everyone to see her go. It will be hard to fill her shoes in that respect. Do we have any other upperclassmen with the temperament to encourage and stay positive to pick up their teammates? Her role will be harder to fill than her talent, IMO -- which is ironic given the two completely stupid decisions that she made resulting in dismissal.

Even though it's hard, it's still the right decision, and I have no reason to suspect that any current player or coach feels that it was the wrong decision. But it's still hard to lose a friend like this, and it does change the fabric of the team, even if it does not decrease the "talent on the floor".

 

[WaywardVol]

You should probably follow the thread (and I know it is a LOT) before making a comment like this because it is missing the plot line.

I think everyone is in complete agreement that Coach Caldwell made the right decision in dismissing Ruby. The debate is whether Ruby, in the wake of this dismissal, should be treated with grace and understanding or condemnation and rejection. Since this board has diddly to do with Ruby's actual life circumstances, this debate is an academic one but I think it presents a debate between Old and New Testament moral sensibilities. Anyway, I have said more than my piece on this matter so I shall leave it at that.

Treat? She’s gone. Why yall wanna have Bible discussions in the sports forum when there’s clearly a page in the forum for this is beyond me.

 

[Mafiaboss]

Umm.... That's one interpretation. Not the one that immediately jumped to my mind, but I can see where you got there. But I don't think that's the most obvious interpretation. Mine is that the loss of Ms. Whitehorn as a player will be detrimental to this team. How much remains to be seen, so "time will tell." However, holding to standards and, as she has said before, protecting the Lady Vol brand, is the right thing for the program going forward, i.e., 4-5 years in the picture.

Ruby is a great player. But losing her on the court is not detrimental. We have a deep team.