Ruby suspended indefinitely

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GUNTERSVOL said:
It appears that they could not support that she entered to commit a FELONY THEFT or ASSULT, only to recover her stolen goods and both got involved in physical contact so this conditional agreement was reached to cover the doors.

Bet Coach did get more input than what has been publicly shared, referenced by her attorneys, but not entered into proceedings and will Coach speak it into her dispensation of justice.
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She pleaded to lesser misdemeanor charges of aggravated trespassing and vandalism (per ESPN)


a) A person commits aggravated criminal trespass who enters or remains on property when:
  • (1) The person knows the person does not have the property owner's effective consent to do so; and
  • (2) The person intends, knows, or is reckless about whether such person's presence will cause fear for the safety of another;
  • (3) The person, in order to gain entry to the property, destroys, cuts, vandalizes, alters or removes a gate, signage, fencing, lock, chain or other barrier designed to keep trespassers from entering the property; or
  • (4) The person, while on the property, recklessly damages the property or personal property thereon.
  • (b)A person commits the offense of vandalism who knowingly:
    • (1) Causes damage to or the destruction of any real or personal property of another or of the state, the United States, any county, city, or town knowing that the person does not have the owner's effective consent;
    • (2) Solicits, directs, aids, or attempts to aid another to commit vandalism of a retail merchant, while acting with the intent to promote or assist the commission of vandalism of a retail merchant, or to benefit in the proceeds or results of the offense;
    • (3) Damages merchandise offered for retail sale by a retail merchant; or
    • (4) Facilitates commission of vandalism of a retail merchant or acts as an accessory after the fact to vandalism of a retail merchant.
The difference from the original charge is the intent to commit theft or assault. So extrapolating from the plea deal, it would seem that the felony charge was seen as a legal stretch given the circumstances of the case and the reduced charges still recognize the property damage and threatening stance toward the alleged victim.

The plea deal (as per ESPN again) also requires Ruby to take anger management classes and it seems like that could help her develop some important and needed life skills. In the end what could have been a disastrous situation has real potential to become a blessing in disguise.

Let's be glad the original conflict did not escalate to a tragic outcome and the legal system arrived a good solution.

Again I think the resolution needs to be the focus.
 
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xtpsrh08123 said:
I love how many attorneys we have on this board !
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You keep repeating that mantra but board rules do not require anyone to have a law degree to post an opinion or comment about matters related to the LVs, including those that involve legal affairs. A plea deal was made and folks want to discuss it.

Do you also keep posting "I love how many coaches we have on this board" when people discuss a LV game or "I love how many ordained ministers we have on this board" when posters offer prayers to an injured player?
 
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madtownvol said:
You keep repeating that mantra but board rules do not require anyone to have a law degree to post an opinion or comment about matters related to the LVs, including those that involve legal matters. A plea deal was made and folks want to discuss it.

Do you also keep posting "I love how many coaches we have on this board" when people discuss a LV game or "I love how many ordained ministers we have on this board" when poster offer prayers to an injured player?
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lvocd said:
Many may disagree, but in my opinion we've been waaaaay far enough up in Ruby's business already. I don't need to know anymore.
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I was mainly looking for others eliminating the NEGATIVE conjecture shared in public by backing up Ruby’s account. Eliminating, not creating dirt. That is what I inferred from the lawyer’s statement was available to offset the KNS article.

EDITED TO ADD….

Wonder if these additional accounts are what brought on the elimination of the more serious charges. I would have preferred they be taken under oath, but maybe be not enough value add for further reductions to reject the deal.
 
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madtownvol said:
Well, we are not likely to get any more definitive info, after a plea deal.

Once again, to understand these charges, you can't rely on a common sense understanding of what constitutes burglary. Google on Tennesse's legal codes for aggravated burglary and domestic assault and you will see how the charges fit.

Heck, I will do it for you:
  • (a)A person commits burglary who, without the effective consent of the property owner:
    • (1) Enters a building other than a habitation, or any portion of the building, not open to the public, with intent to commit a felony, theft, or assault;
    • (2) Remains concealed, with the intent to commit a felony, theft, or assault, in a building;
    • (3) Enters a building and commits or attempts to commit a felony, theft, or assault; or
    • (4) Enters any freight or passenger car, automobile, truck, trailer, boat, airplane, or other motor vehicle with intent to commit a felony, theft, or assault or commits or attempts to commit a felony, theft, or assault.
  • (b)As used in this section, "enter" means:
    • (1) Intrusion of any part of the body; or
    • (2) Intrusion of any object in physical contact with the body or any object controlled by remote control, electronic or otherwise.

Legal codes are not written on a tit for tat basis. If I claim you took my property, I do not suddenly gain a a legal right to chase after you, break down doors of the building into which you have fled and threaten you. That is just not how laws are written. I know, you really want that to be the law because it seems "fair" but it just isn't (See above).

A plea deal indicates that both sides (prosecution and defense) were happy to avoid the costs and risks of a trial. There was ambiguity, as per the conflicting statements given by Ruby and the alleged victim, and who knows how it would have played out in court. But, Ruby clearly had some culpability based on the available evidence and so going to trial posed a real risk of conviction plus drawing the legal proceedings out for a much longer time frame. The plea deal gives her a clean slate after one year and she can now go on with her life (and basketball career/NIL deal).

The positive resolution is all that matters.
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Wonder if her NIL deals are impacted
 
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VolBall09 said:
Actually, it’s pretty dull. Same ten people doing what they do.
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Sometimes I do wonder if more current lurkers-only would be more interested in posting here, or perhaps less intimidated to jump in, if some of us prolific regulars stepped back for a while to give new people a space they won't feel too "outsider-y" to speak up in. It's never easy to be the new person, but probably even less so when quite a few of us have been posting on LV boards since the 90s.

Now would be a tough time for me to take a step back with practice and visits coming up soon, but I'd definitely be willing to do it if some of the other longtime, prolific posters also thought it would be a worthwhile experiment to see if we could get more lurkers to come out of the shadows.

We could be the lurkers for a while and see what happens!
 
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lvocd said:
Sometimes I do wonder if more current lurkers-only would be more interested in posting here, or perhaps less intimidated to jump in, if some of us prolific regulars stepped back for a while to give new people a space they won't feel too "outsider-y" to speak up in. It's never easy to be the new person, but probably even less so when quite a few of us have been posting on LV boards since the 90s.

Now would be a tough time for me to take a step back with practice and visits coming up soon, but I'd definitely be willing to do it if some of the other longtime, prolific posters also thought it would be a worthwhile experiment to see if we could get more lurkers to come out of the shadows.

We could be the lurkers for a while and see what happens!
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Article I read had a statement from her attorney that said she had to stay out of trouble and attend anger management classes as part of her plea agreement and then her record of this would be vacated after a yr. I would think as soon as the university lifted her suspension she would be back on the team.
 
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1morevol said:
Sickening, isn't it? Interesting that your post was followed almost immediately by another "lawyer's brief".
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How is it sickening when someone brings their area of expertise to a public forum? Wouldn’t you rather get the facts from someone that’s familiar with the system and the charges?
 
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1morevol said:
Sickening, isn't it? Interesting that your post was followed almost immediately by another "lawyer's brief".
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I think you are confusing a "logical argument" with a lawyer's brief. I am curious as to what part of this recent discussion you found to be "sickening." The posts in response to Ruby's plea deal have mainly been "that is a great outcome for Ruby. Now she can go on with her life" plus some comments related to when she might get back with the team.

What did you find "sickening" about such comments?
 
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DeerPark12 said:
How is it sickening when someone brings their area of expertise to a public forum? Wouldn’t you rather get the facts from someone that’s familiar with the system and the charges?
I just hope the young lady learns from this incident and yes, I hope she is able to continue her career as a Lady Vol. I have no doubts about your expertise. I appreciate what you bring to the Forum. In this thread you seem to be in direct competition with another member to demonstrate who is most knowledgeable about the legal intricacies of this incident. That member also submits lengthy, lengthy posts . As regards my "sickening" comment, all I can give you is ad infinitum ad nauseum.
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madtownvol said:
You keep repeating that mantra but board rules do not require anyone to have a law degree to post an opinion or comment about matters related to the LVs, including those that involve legal affairs. A plea deal was made and folks want to discuss it.

Do you also keep posting "I love how many coaches we have on this board" when people discuss a LV game or "I love how many ordained ministers we have on this board" when posters offer prayers to an injured player?
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That's actually the only time ive stated that ......stop trying to pick a fight , run with your law degree already.
 
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