Ruby Arrested……

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alexvol said:
if I do something similar and you do not have all the facts and make similar judgements about what really happened ,I am glad that you would not be part of my Jury at the trial
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I would have thought you would have been bright enough to discern (because I indicated that earlier) my comments were made going on IF THE CHARGES WERE FOUND TO BE FACTUAL. I never said Ruby did it. I said IF it turns out to be true then I’d consider that cause for concern.

Pay attention.
 
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Volfan2012 said:
True but will they really try to make that stick when you have the other person stealing. Stealing was the cause of illegal entry still I guess you never know how it will go.
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That is the logic for settling play ground disputes not legal principles.

If I steal your watch and flee into my home, you do not gain the right, as the watch owner, to break into my residence and assault me.
An extreme example but O.J. Simpson went to jail for breaking into a Las Vegas hotel room to reclaim sports memorabilia he claimed had been stolen from him.

Also, "self-defense" claims end when the person being assaulted chases after the original assaulter and breaks into their residence to continue the confrontation. At that point, the chaser becomes the aggressor. [Tennessee is a "stand your ground" state so Ruby really put herself in jeopardy by breaking down the door and forcibly entering the premise because that "threatening" action gave the other party a legal justification for using deadly force.]

This situation could have gotten really, really tragic.

Again, I am not assuming that Ruby will be guilty as charged, when all the facts are revealed. I am just responding to what was stated in the police report.
 
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Volfan2012 said:
True but will they really try to make that stick when you have the other person stealing. Stealing was the cause of illegal entry still I guess you never know how it will go.
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Burgarly is the charge as Ruby broke down the door(s). Just because you think Walmart cheated you out of something, , you can't shoplift to get even.
 
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37620VOL said:
If I was on the jury, you might. I wouldn't find someone guilty for recovering their stolen property, especially if there are no injuries from the "assault".
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Well, Jurors are supposed to follow the law. So I expect you would be struck by the Prosecutor. Anyways, what we apparently have here is a cat fight. Everyone apologizes, and Ruby pays for the damages. Next case.
 
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37620VOL said:
If I was on the jury, you might. I wouldn't find someone guilty for recovering their stolen property, especially if there are no injuries from the "assault".
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Technically that would be called jury nullification-- a jury decides to ignore the law, incriminating facts of the case, and the judge's instructions to apply the law in order to make what they consider to be a "fair" judgment.

That can happen. However, I was not referring to how a jury might view the case but rather the basic legal principle that led to Ruby's charges. Trust me, if you break into someone's house and the police arrive and you say you did it to retrieve items that belonged to you, you are still getting arrested.
 
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Coach Jumper said:
As for me I am wishing Ruby well,,,but holding my opinions and thoughts until I have the whole story
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We probably won’t get the whole story, because I doubt it goes to trial. I commend you on your patience and a prayerful attitude.
 
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chuckiepoo said:
I would guess SOP for a defense attorney. May also be to create a window for reconciliation. Get the doors repaired, new mirror, anger management classes… stuff to do. A trip to the children’s hospital wouldn’t hurt.
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Very good chance that is how it all winds up. Then CKC suspends Ruby for the C-N exhibition game and makes her run extra laps for the first week of team practice and all is squared.
 
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Lessons will be learned. Punishments will be doled out. And restitution will be made.

BTW, the fact someone was in the house when she broke in is what makes it aggravated IIRC. We will see what they can get everything pled down to, but in TN I don't think the victim has to press charges in domestic violence cases. The prosecutor can still proceed if he thinks it is warranted.
 
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Voluble2 said:
Lessons will be learned. Punishments will be doled out. And restitution will be made.

BTW, the fact someone was in the house when she broke in is what makes it aggravated IIRC. We will see what they can get everything pled down to, but in TN I don't think the victim has to press charges in domestic violence cases. The prosecutor can still proceed if he thinks it is warranted.
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Is the District Attorney up for re-election? 😉🤙🏼
 
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madtownvol said:
From Cora Hall's X feed:



Plea deal in the works??....
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Preliminary hearings rarely go on the first, second, or even third setting.

I don’t expect a plea deal, I expect the charge to be dismissed. Not about athlete privilege, about getting the complete story from witnesses other than the alleged victim. She shouldn’t have reacted the way she did, but there’s more information that is relevant to the case than what was in the initial police report.
 
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madtownvol said:
Very good chance that is how it all winds up. Then CKC suspends Ruby for the C-N exhibition game and makes her run extra laps for the first week of team practice and all is squared.
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What I have been thinking is going to happen. Pay damage miss Columbus State maybe get a little probation time to work through.
 
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DeerPark12 said:
Preliminary hearings rarely go on the first, second, or even third setting.

I don’t expect a plea deal, I expect the charge to be dismissed. Not about athlete privilege, about getting the complete story from witnesses other than the alleged victim. She shouldn’t have reacted the way she did, but there’s more information that is relevant to the case than what was in the initial police report.
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I agree more to the story. There were probably an ample amount of FBombs thrown about.
 
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DeerPark12 said:
Preliminary hearings rarely go on the first, second, or even third setting.

I don’t expect a plea deal, I expect the charge to be dismissed. Not about athlete privilege, about getting the complete story from witnesses other than the alleged victim. She shouldn’t have reacted the way she did, but there’s more information that is relevant to the case than what was in the initial police report.
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Friday afternoon at an apartment complex? Screaming, hollering cat fight? = plenty of video footage to review…
 
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DeerPark12 said:
Preliminary hearings rarely go on the first, second, or even third setting.

I don’t expect a plea deal, I expect the charge to be dismissed. Not about athlete privilege, about getting the complete story from witnesses other than the alleged victim. She shouldn’t have reacted the way she did, but there’s more information that is relevant to the case than what was in the initial police report.
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Okay, you are the expert in such matters but I am surprised you think this is how it will go. Despite the defense attorney's claim, I am not sure any witness testimony can completely exonerate someone from video of breaking down a door and chasing someone through their house.

I am sure there are extenuating circumstances, and coupled with this being a first offense, those seem like the conditions for pleading down to a misdemeanor charge with community service and counseling requirements.
 
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madtownvol said:
That is the logic for settling play ground disputes not legal principles.

If I steal your watch and flee into my home, you do not gain the right, as the watch owner, to break into my residence and assault me.
An extreme example but O.J. Simpson went to jail for breaking into a Las Vegas hotel room to reclaim sports memorabilia he claimed had been stolen from him.

Also, "self-defense" claims end when the person being assaulted chases after the original assaulter and breaks into their residence to continue the confrontation. At that point, the chaser becomes the aggressor. [Tennessee is a "stand your ground" state so Ruby really put herself in jeopardy by breaking down the door and forcibly entering the premise because that "threatening" action gave the other party a legal justification for using deadly force.]

This situation could have gotten really, really tragic.

Again, I am not assuming that Ruby will be guilty as charged, when all the facts are revealed. I am just responding to what was stated in the police report.
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So the moral of the story is that Ruby should have beat her Ascii senseless in the parking lot when Ruby was attacked by the victim in the parking lot and it would have been stand your ground self defense!
 
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As many times as Knoxville police have busted an athlete and either lost in court or had it settled out of court with no repercussions, maybe Danny should consider having legal representation for his athletes that specialize in fraudulent charges.
 
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