RTI:Breaking down Butch Jones record at Tennessee

[BigOrangeTrain]

I disagree, and you have to look no further than Florida. McElwain inherited a team that went 11-13 its previous two years, including a 4-8 team that lost to Ga Southern. 4-8, at Florida!! All Mac did was win the SEC east and 10 games. Why shouldn't UT fans expect the same?

And there are other examples, like Harbaugh at Michigan. Absolutely depleted roster and he wins 10 games including trouncing UF in a bowl game. Meyer inherited a pathetic Ohio State roster and dominated. Elite coaches can do it, like it or not, NOTHING points to Butch being elite..... yet.

You need to do some research and get your facts straight. JM inherited nothing close to what Butch did. Dooley is widely considered one of the top 10 worst CFB coaches of all time. Stop acting like JM walked into an empty cabinet at UF. We all know defense wins championships right? Well lets look at it then. As of 2007, here is UFs defensive rank in the SEC: 4, 2, 1, 10, 6, 9, 12, 6, 2. So a couple of years they had a less than stellar defense, but by and large UF usually fields an elite defense.

UTs defense in that same time? 5, 9, 9, 8, 11, 14, 14, 4, 6. Butch walked into a UT team that was one of the worts statistical defenses in the SEC in a long, long time. Also, how many players off of those UF squads before JM went to the NFL? More than any Kiffin or Dooley coached team.

Meyer and OSU? Stop with the flat out lies. Before UM came here was their record the previou 6 years:
10-2, 12-1, 11-2, 10-3, 11-2 and 12-1. Also 5 straight conference titles, 2 NC games and 3 bowl wins. OSU was in no way, shape or form depleted or anywhere near what UT was.

Harbaugh? Ok maybe you have a case there but the schedule played has to come into play. Since Butch has arrived, he has played some of the toughest schedules in the country.

 

[ReaderVol]

No, both teams stunk before both coaches took over. Both had losing records and were in complete disarray.

Look, if Urban Meyer or Jim Harbaugh had taken over at UT 3 years ago, you guys wouldn't be hemming and hawwing about a 21-17 record with 3 wins against ranked teams, and no wins anyone outside of Knoxville would consider signature.

Look at the recruiting classes that were at those schools prior to them arriving?!? Wow
Amazing that you even try and say the situations are even similar.

 

[Aesius]

He didn't? How can you say that? Muschamp broke records for futility and ineptness at UF. Broke a 30 year bowl streak, first losing record in 30 years, first loss a D-2 team in decades, lowest win total in decades, and of course took a school that was known as having one of the sexiest offenses in college football history under Spurrier and Meyer to a point where they literally could not execute a screen pass. It was horrific.

Mac won Coach of Year for a good reason. To take Muschamp's disaster and turn it into a SEC east title in year 1 was a helluva job.

Hahahaha.

UF was still loaded with talent on defense. UT had NO talent ANYWHERE when Butch arrived, save a couple offensive linemen.

Mac did a great job on offense, I'll give him that for sure. But then again, his star QB was cheating and the Gators looked like hot garbage once he was out of the picture.

 

[butchna]

No, both teams stunk before both coaches took over. Both had losing records and were in complete disarray.

Look, if Urban Meyer or Jim Harbaugh had taken over at UT 3 years ago, you guys wouldn't be hemming and hawwing about a 21-17 record with 3 wins against ranked teams, and no wins anyone outside of Knoxville would consider signature.

You care too much about our reaction...we don't have that problem with yours.

 

[MikeVol44]

Wow....a lot of time on that kids' hands....lots of stats and info...

I think we've only had 4 or 5 bad losses under CBJ...

1. 2013 Vandy--after open week...pathetic game plan & decisions made in last 10 minutes of game....

2. Muschamp's Gators in 2014
Haven't felt that bad since 1990 Bama game....

3. OK last year
4. Gators last year

And #5 may not really be qualified as a bad loss--but I'm listing it because I believe we could've & should've won:

5. Arky last year

However--I do believe CBJ has made some very good moves in correcting what went wrong in all of those games...both in recruiting and coaching changes...as he settles in to competition in the SEC...

I'd give him a solid B grade for coaching, but believe he can do better...an A for recruiting...and an A+ for bringing esprit de corps back to the program!

Hopefully--He and staff will be able to put it all together this year and get us into the SEC championship game!

GO VOLS! :salute:

 

[MikeVol44]

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Harbaugh? Ok maybe you have a case there but the schedule played has to come into play. Since Butch has arrived, he has played some of the toughest schedules in the country.

Excellent post!

I am one of those who actually LIKES Hair-ball at UM!
However--the program he took over at UM had personnel that was WAY, WAY better than what CBJ inherited from CDD....

His OL was much better--the only true weaknesses I saw on his team was at RB and LB....He had to get a QB transfer from Iowa, pull his AA cornerback (Peppers) into the backfield to get some production, and his LB just didn't measure up against better competition in the B1G...

And I do agree with you...that UM team last year would've been 7-5 or 8-4 in the SEC...maybe 9-3 if they would've been in the East...But no way they would've beaten Bama, LSU, or Ole Sis....and Arky would've given them all they could handle...:salute:

 

[TheRealUT98]

No, both teams stunk before both coaches took over. Both had losing records and were in complete disarray.

Look, if Urban Meyer or Jim Harbaugh had taken over at UT 3 years ago, you guys wouldn't be hemming and hawwing about a 21-17 record with 3 wins against ranked teams, and no wins anyone outside of Knoxville would consider signature.

Both Jim Tresel and Brady hoke were very good at recruiting even at the end of there careers. Neither one of them were Dooley bad in the slightest

 

[08Vol]

Ok so what year is Butch in? 2013 was year zero because he didn't have any talent other than an all NFL O-line. 2014 was also year zero because all his players were freshmen. 2015 was year zero because he didn't have any players who had been on a plane. I guess 2016 is year one, wait he said we only have 11 seniors, guess we're back to year zero

 

[Ned Ray McWorkher]

Presently, Butch Jones has one signature win in three seasons. Georgia last year. That's it. Stats, reasons & excuses be damned.
This is the year to change our national perception (and regain our recruiting respect). We need to best all 3 of our rivals and win the SEC Championship. This year. Next year Florida, Georgia & Alabama will all be much more settled on offense while we will be breaking in an ENTIRELY new offensive backfield. If we aren't successful this year against our rivals while they re-established their respective programs then when will we be?

 

[RMSmallwood]

Presently, Butch Jones has one signature win in three seasons. Georgia last year. That's it. Stats, reasons & excuses be damned.
This is the year to change our national perception (and regain our recruiting respect). We need to best all 3 of our rivals and win the SEC Championship. This year. Next year Florida, Georgia & Alabama will all be much more settled on offense while we will be breaking in an ENTIRELY new offensive backfield. If we aren't successful this year against our rivals while they re-established their respective programs then when will we be?

Was that SC game in 2013 that bad for you? I felt like that was a pretty good win...

 

[DCVOL50]

I am not sure if Butch Jones is the answer, but for you people that want to compare him to donkey teeth, check out what theNFL draft told you. Tennessee hasn't had any draft picks in 2 years. Florida had a few. The talent was totally depleted when Butch came to Tennessee at least Muschump could recruit unlike Doofus!!!

 

[08Vol]

I am not sure if Butch Jones is the answer, but for you people that want to compare him to donkey teeth, check out what theNFL draft told you. Tennessee hasn't had any draft picks in 2 years. Florida had a few. The talent was totally depleted when Butch came to Tennessee at least Muschump could recruit unlike Doofus!!!

Is the NFL draft based on talent alone or also how that talent was developed? It was embarrassing watching North declare as a junior then go undrafted. Randolph should have been drafted with his pro day numbers but his film showed he was out of position a lot.
There wasn't a lot of senior talent last year, but after 3 years under Butch there should have been more improvement. Guess these 3 years have taught us Butch can't "win with less" so here's hoping he can "win with the same"

 

[Volnukem]

DC. Just look at the number of draft picks CJM will have in his first 3 years at UF (you know the guys he didn't recruit). Butch had 3 off his first team and 0 since. CJM had 8 in his first year. There is literally 0 comparisons between the two of them.

 

[chattaboogie]

Is the NFL draft based on talent alone or also how that talent was developed? It was embarrassing watching North declare as a junior then go undrafted. Randolph should have been drafted with his pro day numbers but his film showed he was out of position a lot.
There wasn't a lot of senior talent last year, but after 3 years under Butch there should have been more improvement. Guess these 3 years have taught us Butch can't "win with less" so here's hoping he can "win with the same"

NFL draft most definitely based more off talent than the way it is developed. I didn't know that was even up for debate.

NFL Coaching staffs will teach a player how to play in their system. It's harder to teach speed, quickness, size, and strength.

 

[Volnukem]

Presently, Butch Jones has one signature win in three seasons. Georgia last year. That's it. Stats, reasons & excuses be damned.
This is the year to change our national perception (and regain our recruiting respect). We need to best all 3 of our rivals and win the SEC Championship. This year. Next year Florida, Georgia & Alabama will all be much more settled on offense while we will be breaking in an ENTIRELY new offensive backfield. If we aren't successful this year against our rivals while they re-established their respective programs then when will we be?

Beating a top 10 SCAR team doesn't count? We had some bad luck in a lot of our losses as well. Pig's fumble against UGA. UF's field goal after the play clock ran out. The BS PI against OU last year.

 

[DCVOL50]

I know CBJ got out coached a few times last year, but I was very pleased to see him shake things up and go after Shoop. Maybe he is learning to be an SEC coach. It is one thing to win with less, but he did walk into a mess. Our less was really LESS!!! Either way he has brought the program up to a point if he don't get it done then maybe it will be appealing to an upper tier coach this time. I am willing to give him a chance to finish the job.

 

[Volnukem]

There is always more than one way we to look at things. I see us jump out to big leads in most of our games. I would say we were out coaching other teams and losing games because we didn't have the depth to compete for 4 quarters. It's an equally valid interpretation.

 

[DCVOL50]

I am not bashing CBJ but you simply have to agree that you don't kick the extra point at Florida at that time in the game. You go for 2 and I could go on and on, but I didn't expect any more than 8 or 9 wins last year. But CBJ simply has to coach more aggressive in the SEC and I hope he learned that

 

[Volnukem]

I am not bashing CBJ but you simply have to agree that you don't kick the extra point at Florida at that time in the game. You go for 2 and I could go on and on, but I didn't expect any more than 8 or 9 wins last year. But CBJ simply has to coach more aggressive in the SEC and I hope he learned that

No I don't have to agree that you go for 2. I actually vehemently disagree with going for 2 there. Cowardly call. Tells me Butch doesn't think his offense can score again, his defense can't get a stop, and tells me he is afraid of a comeback. He made the right call. They converted a ton of fourth downs because Jancek was too conservative. Oh look Butch went and fixed that.

 

[sameolvol]

I disagree, and you have to look no further than Florida. McElwain inherited a team that went 11-13 its previous two years, including a 4-8 team that lost to Ga Southern. 4-8, at Florida!! All Mac did was win the SEC east and 10 games. Why shouldn't UT fans expect the same?

And there are other examples, like Harbaugh at Michigan. Absolutely depleted roster and he wins 10 games including trouncing UF in a bowl game. Meyer inherited a pathetic Ohio State roster and dominated. Elite coaches can do it, like it or not, NOTHING points to Butch being elite..... yet.

I'm with JP and ReaderVol...both. I don't know how carefully you investigated the awaiting talent for those aforementioned coaches when they arrived at their respective new campuses, but despite dismal coaching by those threes' predecessors, their rosters clearly had tons more and better football players to work with; probably just dying to be coached up. Butch got nada from Dooley's poor choices. Zilch. Nuttin'. As for the poster who noted Butch only won 60% at Central Michigan and Cincinatti: Let's understand that he and the staff(s) he put together greatly improved both programs in a notably short amount of time, and before they could up their records in those non-P5 conferences, Butch, et al, wound up at UT, where that P5 SEC learning curve is far steeper and harder to climb. McElwain, Harbaugh and Meyer were much more experienced with the upper echelon versions of the sport when they arrived to take over at UF, UM and tOSU. I'd say ol' Butch is ascending that curve rapidly and I'll presume that, maybe starting with this 120 bunch, his critics are going to join the now-silent group who've been second guessing his choices all along.

 

[Catbone]

Why forget the past 3 years? It's been really enjoyable watching this program be rebuilt into a quality program again.
Many have missed a masterful rebuild. KUDOS coach and team.

Figure of speech. Obviously we have had steady improvement but I'm saying this is THE year we gotta get it done!

 

[ReaderVol]

Figure of speech. Obviously we have had steady improvement but I'm saying this is THE year we gotta get it done!

Have you enjoyed watching the rebuild? I have really enjoyed it and we're set for a very good future.

 

[LeBleu]

We've gone from ranked close to 70 to top ten.. so what's the problem?

 

[Ned Ray McWorkher]

Was that SC game in 2013 that bad for you? I felt like that was a pretty good win...

Florida, Georgia & Alabama are the games of importance. Signature, if you will. LSU & AU would also fit that bill, as the War Eagles are a traditional rival, and the Tigers are a top tier program since Saban & Miles. That South Carolina win doesn't measure up as a top level win. People have to keep trying to over-sell it imo. It was what it was. Not much of significance @ all.

 

[MustafaRasta]

Florida, Georgia & Alabama are the games of importance. Signature, if you will. LSU & AU would also fit that bill, as the War Eagles are a traditional rival, and the Tigers are a top tier program since Saban & Miles. That South Carolina win doesn't measure up as a top level win. People have to keep trying to over-sell it imo. It was what it was. Not much of significance @ all.

People who are emotionally attached to uniform colors keep trying to under sell it.

They finished #4 in the country with wins over a 1 loss UCF team, a #5 mizzou, #8 Clemson and #22 Wisconsin.

It's a big win. Get your head outta the sand.