RTI:Breaking down Butch Jones record at Tennessee

[weallvol]

It’s easy to just rattle off Butch Jones’ career record while head coach at Tennessee. But Jones’ 21-17 record has some very interesting splits, and a further inspection into his three-year record at Tennessee reveals where he’s had trouble and where he’s flourished so far at Tennessee.

Breaking Down Butch Jones' Record at Tennessee | Rocky Top Insider

 

[VFL-82-JP]

I do appreciate what young Mr. Rutherford is trying to do with this entry, but it's the kind of analysis that is really only meaningful once a program is in a degree of steady state.

It's like trying to tune a trombone while the player is changing notes from one end of the slide to the other. You really need him to hit a note and try to stick with it, so you can see how things are really going.

I don't fault the writer for this attempt; I've done the same over the past two years, here on VolNation. You just gotta take every tentative conclusion reached with a HUGE pinch of salt, because its predictive powers are going to be severely limited.

 

[DCompagnucci]

Only 21-17, and amazingly, 18 of those 21 wins were against unranked teams. And the three ranked teams were SC, UGA and Northwestern. Not exactly earth-shattering stuff.

He deserves some credit for having the team seriously ready to play in his two bowl games. Although the wins were against mid-tier teams, they were impressive.

Entering his 4th season, I think all would agree that he needs to start winning more games against ranked teams, winning some big road games, and beating the teams named Florida and Alabama.

 

[IPleadInsanity]

I don't think he can truly be rated until this season and next season if his recruiting class holds up. At the same, time you can rule out him being a coach that does more with less. That ship has sailed. Now we will see if he can do more with more. I'm betting he can.

 

[crazyguy]

I do appreciate what young Mr. Rutherford is trying to do with this entry, but it's the kind of analysis that is really only meaningful once a program is in a degree of steady state.

It's like trying to tune a trombone while the player is changing notes from one end of the slide to the other. You really need him to hit a note and try to stick with it, so you can see how things are really going.

I don't fault the writer for this attempt; I've done the same over the past two years, here on VolNation. You just gotta take every tentative conclusion reached with a HUGE pinch of salt, because its predictive powers are going to be severely limited.

agreed on all points. Would be an interesting article to redo every year.

 

[08Vol]

I do appreciate what young Mr. Rutherford is trying to do with this entry, but it's the kind of analysis that is really only meaningful once a program is in a degree of steady state.

It's like trying to tune a trombone while the player is changing notes from one end of the slide to the other. You really need him to hit a note and try to stick with it, so you can see how things are really going.

I don't fault the writer for this attempt; I've done the same over the past two years, here on VolNation. You just gotta take every tentative conclusion reached with a HUGE pinch of salt, because its predictive powers are going to be severely limited.

My retort to that is looking at Butch's historic win percentage before he got to UT and compare it to what his won % is here. He's been a low 60% guy his whole career. Maybe that changes in his 10th year, but that isn't normally how this works

 

[HuntlandVolinColo]

The one thing lacking was he didn't weight the results for the % of Dooley/Kiffen recruits vs. % of CBJ recruits. It makes a difference.

 

[ReaderVol]

Who in their right mind expected UT to beat any good teams in the first 2 years with the state the program was in? Only an idiot would've expected UT to have beaten high quality teams in years 1 or 2. It was last year before we were even close with comparative talent.
The reality is the team has improved each year on and off the field. The entire mentality has changed.

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

Who in their right mind expected UT to beat any good teams in the first 2 years with the state the program was in? Only an idiot would've expected UT to have beaten high quality teams in years 1 or 2. It was last year before we were even close with comparative talent.
The reality is the team has improved each year on and off the field. The entire mentality has changed.

^^this all day!

 

[Catbone]

Forget the last 3 years it doesn't matter now. Its put up or stfu time.

10+OrBust

 

[ReaderVol]

Forget the last 3 years it doesn't matter now. Its put up or stfu time.

10+OrBust

Why forget the past 3 years? It's been really enjoyable watching this program be rebuilt into a quality program again.
Many have missed a masterful rebuild. KUDOS coach and team.

 

[DCompagnucci]

Who in their right mind expected UT to beat any good teams in the first 2 years with the state the program was in? Only an idiot would've expected UT to have beaten high quality teams in years 1 or 2.
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I disagree, and you have to look no further than Florida. McElwain inherited a team that went 11-13 its previous two years, including a 4-8 team that lost to Ga Southern. 4-8, at Florida!! All Mac did was win the SEC east and 10 games. Why shouldn't UT fans expect the same?

And there are other examples, like Harbaugh at Michigan. Absolutely depleted roster and he wins 10 games including trouncing UF in a bowl game. Meyer inherited a pathetic Ohio State roster and dominated. Elite coaches can do it, like it or not, NOTHING points to Butch being elite..... yet.

 

[Burger]

I disagree, and you have to look no further than Florida. McElwain inherited a team that went 11-13 its previous two years, including a 4-8 team that lost to Ga Southern. 4-8, at Florida!! All Mac did was win the SEC east and 10 games. Why shouldn't UT fans expect the same?

And there are other examples, like Harbaugh at Michigan. Absolutely depleted roster and he wins 10 games including trouncing UF in a bowl game. Meyer inherited a pathetic Ohio State roster and dominated. Elite coaches can do it, like it or not, NOTHING points to Butch being elite..... yet.

Harbaugh and Urban had loaded rosters...

 

[Carl Pickens]

I disagree, and you have to look no further than Florida. McElwain inherited a team that went 11-13 its previous two years, including a 4-8 team that lost to Ga Southern. 4-8, at Florida!! All Mac did was win the SEC east and 10 games. Why shouldn't UT fans expect the same?

And there are other examples, like Harbaugh at Michigan. Absolutely depleted roster and he wins 10 games including trouncing UF in a bowl game. Meyer inherited a pathetic Ohio State roster and dominated. Elite coaches can do it, like it or not, NOTHING points to Butch being elite..... yet.

Some of you guys wouldn't be satisfied winning a $10,000,000 lottery .....

 

[VFL-82-JP]

Only 21-17, and amazingly, 18 of those 21 wins were against unranked teams. And the three ranked teams were SC, UGA and Northwestern.

Wasn't 2014 Iowa somewhere in there as well? Thought I remembered them being ranked going into the bowl game. Maybe I'm remembering wrong.


EDIT: My bad, went back and checked. Iowa were just 7-5 going into the bowl...no way they'd have been ranked. Just my brain conflating 2014 and 2015, I guess.

 

[Volunteer2012]

I disagree, and you have to look no further than Florida. McElwain inherited a team that went 11-13 its previous two years, including a 4-8 team that lost to Ga Southern. 4-8, at Florida!! All Mac did was win the SEC east and 10 games. Why shouldn't UT fans expect the same?

And there are other examples, like Harbaugh at Michigan. Absolutely depleted roster and he wins 10 games including trouncing UF in a bowl game. Meyer inherited a pathetic Ohio State roster and dominated. Elite coaches can do it, like it or not, NOTHING points to Butch being elite..... yet.

Muschamp didn't trash Florida like Dooley did to us. As far as UM and OSU goes its the B1G. I can come into UM or OSU and coach them to wins over most of that trash conference.

 

[Other_Guy]

Who in their right mind expected UT to beat any good teams in the first 2 years with the state the program was in? Only an idiot would've expected UT to have beaten high quality teams in years 1 or 2. It was last year before we were even close with comparative talent.
The reality is the team has improved each year on and off the field. The entire mentality has changed.

That what Im thinking. All I hear is
"We're a dumpster fire!"
"Kiffin set us back x years!"
"Thanks for no OL Dooley!"
Then people go insane when Butch doesn't beat many ranked teams. Everyone knows this season defines whether we got a good coach or time to try again.

 

[DCompagnucci]

Harbaugh and Urban had loaded rosters...

No, both teams stunk before both coaches took over. Both had losing records and were in complete disarray.

Look, if Urban Meyer or Jim Harbaugh had taken over at UT 3 years ago, you guys wouldn't be hemming and hawwing about a 21-17 record with 3 wins against ranked teams, and no wins anyone outside of Knoxville would consider signature.

 

[DCompagnucci]

Muschamp didn't trash Florida like Dooley did to us. As far as UM and OSU goes its the B1G. I can come into UM or OSU and coach them to wins over most of that trash conference.

He didn't? How can you say that? Muschamp broke records for futility and ineptness at UF. Broke a 30 year bowl streak, first losing record in 30 years, first loss a D-2 team in decades, lowest win total in decades, and of course took a school that was known as having one of the sexiest offenses in college football history under Spurrier and Meyer to a point where they literally could not execute a screen pass. It was horrific.

Mac won Coach of Year for a good reason. To take Muschamp's disaster and turn it into a SEC east title in year 1 was a helluva job.

 

[Volunteer2012]

No, both teams stunk before both coaches took over. Both had losing records and were in complete disarray.

Look, if Urban Meyer or Jim Harbaugh had taken over at UT 3 years ago, you guys wouldn't be hemming and hawwing about a 21-17 record with 3 wins against ranked teams, and no wins anyone outside of Knoxville would consider signature.

Both teams didn't stink. OSU had 1 6-7 season before Urban. UM had 1 losing season in the 5 years prior to Harbaugh, not exactly the the same slump we had

 

[Volunteer2012]

He didn't? How can you say that? Muschamp broke records for futility and ineptness at UF. Broke a 30 year bowl streak, first losing record in 30 years, first loss a D-2 team in decades, lowest win total in decades, and of course took a school that was known as having one of the sexiest offenses in college football history under Spurrier and Meyer to a point where they literally could not execute a screen pass. It was horrific.

Mac won Coach of Year for a good reason. To take Muschamp's disaster and turn it into a SEC east title in year 1 was a helluva job.

I'm not saying Muschamp did a good job, and I'm not trying to take anything away from Coach Mac, but Coach Mac clearly walked into a better situation than Butch did.

 

[RMSmallwood]

Lol I love how 21-17 is the only argument and not 5-7, 7-6, 9-4. It's like talent isn't supposed to be a factor or the fact that almost no HS coach wanted anything to do with UT after Dooley among a hundred other factors. I don't think that Butch is in the same category as Meyer, Harbaugh or Saban but those aren't the only coaches to ever win a championship. I feel like Butch has earned some confidence by showing that he can bring this program up from where it was to a level where we should compete for championships every year. Hopefully making the move for Bob Stoops can get us over the edge. I think there are heightened expectations but this team has progressed every year under him. There are still question marks but this has always been the year to really see how Butch can do imo. I don't think he gets fired if we win 9 games again but that would definitely be a disappointment and we would be looking at a very hot seat for Butch.

 

[Other_Guy]

He didn't? How can you say that? Muschamp broke records for futility and ineptness at UF. Broke a 30 year bowl streak, first losing record in 30 years, first loss a D-2 team in decades, lowest win total in decades, and of course took a school that was known as having one of the sexiest offenses in college football history under Spurrier and Meyer to a point where they literally could not execute a screen pass. It was horrific.

Mac won Coach of Year for a good reason. To take Muschamp's disaster and turn it into a SEC east title in year 1 was a helluva job.

I agree with you but I will make a point regarding what Dooley left vs what Muschamp left. Muschamp left a pretty good defense behind and a horrific offense. Dooley left behind a horrific defense and a good offense... Whose QB and best WRs left, leaving only a good starting OL.
Remember, Muschamp did go 10-2 in 2012... Not very long ago when you consider UT hadn't won more than 7 games since 07. Butch walked into a mess that Dooley left that Kiffin left.
Butch was an offensive guy who had a terrible defense and barely offense. At least Mac is an offensive guy who already could rely on a good defense.
Again, I agree with you in the sense that he did one heck of a job last year. Just stating Jones case.

 

[wolfej]

Jones also has a losing record against teams with winning records at the time Tennessee played them.

This is the dumbest stat there is. Who gives a crap what their record was when they played us?

This is only meaningful for end-of-season records. I'm not saying that going that way will look any better, but it will at least be more accurate.

 

[ReaderVol]

I disagree, and you have to look no further than Florida. McElwain inherited a team that went 11-13 its previous two years, including a 4-8 team that lost to Ga Southern. 4-8, at Florida!! All Mac did was win the SEC east and 10 games. Why shouldn't UT fans expect the same?

And there are other examples, like Harbaugh at Michigan. Absolutely depleted roster and he wins 10 games including trouncing UF in a bowl game. Meyer inherited a pathetic Ohio State roster and dominated. Elite coaches can do it, like it or not, NOTHING points to Butch being elite..... yet.

You're out of your mind. Jones took over a UT team at its worst ever. Those other schools had leaps and bounds more talent. Your goal is to look cool with your idiotic post but in reality you sound like a damned fool.