RTI Article on Team Makeup

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VolBricks said:
I was surprised to see the numbers in this article. I will be honest, I expected us to be 7-5 this season but after reading this I can see why we are not looking better as a team. The makeup of the team is astounding, we have very little experience and not that many 5* players. Our team is mostly 4* and 3* star players (I know stars are not everything) with little experience in the system. It is little wonder we are struggling, not many upper classmen and low numbers overall (77 scholarship players).
Roster Analysis: Makeup of Vols' Team After More Transfers | RTI

Not making excuses just had my orange glasses on to start the season. My new prediction is 4-8 we will beat Vandy, KY and UAB.
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please stop...

talent had absolutely zero to do with the Georgia State game or the BYU game. You guys look silly talking about lack of talent now that weve been embarassed 5 out of the last 6 games.
 
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Dudleys87 said:
Given his buyout and some other things I’m ok with him having 2 more years. He put himself behind the 8 ball staying at Alabama but I can’t fault someone for doing something I would do. I fully believe he’s in year 2 and he’s taking his lumps. Yes, there’s no reason to lose to GASt. They responded well against BYU but came up just short. I had hope for the Florida game but most of our coaches don’t win rd 1 against the gators it just doesent happen. I will say with complete confidence that his kids are playing at a much higher level than past classes. There’s a lot of promise and good things in those kids. Even more to be excited about given this is their first year. I believe that If not this season he will make a jump nxt season and the hounds will ease a little. I think we’ll get a win that’s unexpected, like a Gus Malzahn job saver, and the usual suspects getting us to 4-8. I do realize it’s a very tall order but I refuse to believe our luck is so bad that all these coaches with their resumes are this bad. That being said if we’re still here talking this same subject come year 5 I’m fully ok with changes. The money just needs to ease up first.
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this is round 2 against the gators..although with the same silly mistakes it does seem like round 1

or are we totally pretending last year didn't' happen?

and all these coaches aren't bad.. most are very good. However CJP is still making rookie mistakes.
 
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I’m all for Pruitt getting time. I also understand people being upset with the way the team has played. I have a couple of major criticisms of Pruitt:
1)him not getting here earlier his first year. I hate to use the year zero analogy but basically it was a year zero for him. Having to recruit a class while prepping for a national title and hire a staff especially the strength and conditioning.
2) not addressing the QB position sooner. Pruitt and Chaney had to know they were in trouble before the start of this season.
3)Georgia State game was treated as if it was a glorified scrimmage. I can look past other losses bc they were against at least decent teams. The way we lost to GA State however was completely unacceptable. It wasn’t luck. It was straight up domination from an inferior talent team.
 
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Dudleys87 said:
I’ve been following him a long time and I refuse to believe this is his final product. He’s better than 1-3. He knows more about football than most people and especially defense.
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Agree with you there. I dont think Pruitt is the kind who knows much else BUT football. From all accounts, he has pretty much thought about little else since early days - I mean his dad is a high school FB coach for almost 30 years and JP had a 48-8 record while he was playing for him as a QB and later as DB. Again, this guy breathes football and has played under and coached under some really great coaches. I cannot conceive that Pruitt allows things to remain this way.

He has shown the the past to be a fantastic talent evaluator - not just grabbing big names while he was at top programs but finding diamonds in the rough as well.

He was dealt some bad cards in coming here but some good ones too if he can hold on long enough and turn things around. I think if he can get his systems established and recruit he will find success here. He was the equivalent of a touted QB recruit from a great HS team thrown behind our oline, starting against Alabama.

He knows very well what a successful program looks like, having never really been at a losing program. Something few in Knoxville have seen in years. Consider that Pruitt has never, in his entire life played for or coached a team with a losing season until he came to UT. Come to think of it, Im not sure if he has ever played for a team or coached one that has won less than 9 games in a season. That has got to rub off somehow.

You guys see someone who doesnt care but I think that his demeanor tends to the laconic and he is not the kind to rah rah or show much in the press...just like his idol, Saban. Guys who kick whiteboards are not ones who dont care ;)

He still has a lot to learn as a HC but bringing in Chaney and Tee shows he is flexible. I dont know if Pruitt will ever achieve the level of greatness of his mentors while here but its hard not to think he will at least become a good coach in time. After a decade plus of mediocrity, I am not sure how much patience we have as fans though. Fulmer, however, knows what he sees in Pruitt and he will give him time, whether we like it or not.
 
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GetYouSomeofThat said:
this is round 2 against the gators..although with the same silly mistakes it does seem like round 1

or are we totally pretending last year didn't' happen?

and all these coaches aren't bad.. most are very good. However CJP is still making rookie mistakes.
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It was a typo. My bad

I did say they were I said our luck
 
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Gandalf said:
Agree with you there. I dont think Pruitt is the kind who knows much else BUT football. From all accounts, he has pretty much thought about little else since early days - I mean his dad is a high school FB coach for almost 30 years and JP had a 48-8 record while he was playing for him as a QB and later as DB. Again, this guy breathes football and has played under and coached under some really great coaches. I cannot conceive that Pruitt allows things to remain this way.

He has shown the the past to be a fantastic talent evaluator - not just grabbing big names while he was at top programs but finding diamonds in the rough as well.

He was dealt some bad cards in coming here but some good ones too if he can hold on long enough and turn things around. I think if he can get his systems established and recruit he will find success here. He was the equivalent of a touted QB recruit from a great HS team thrown behind our oline, starting against Alabama.

He knows very well what a successful program looks like, having never really been at a losing program. Something few in Knoxville have seen in years. Consider that Pruitt has never, in his entire life played for or coached a team with a losing season until he came to UT. Come to think of it, Im not sure if he has ever played for a team or coached one that has won less than 9 games in a season. That has got to rub off somehow.

You guys see someone who doesnt care but I think that his demeanor tends to the laconic and he is not the kind to rah rah or show much in the press...just like his idol, Saban. Guys who kick whiteboards are not ones who dont care ;)

He still has a lot to learn as a HC but bringing in Chaney and Tee shows he is flexible. I dont know if Pruitt will ever achieve the level of greatness of his mentors while here but its hard not to think he will at least become a good coach in time. After a decade plus of mediocrity, I am not sure how much patience we have as fans though. Fulmer, however, knows what he sees in Pruitt and he will give him time, whether we like it or not.
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His attitude reminds of CBB. Everything effects him the same whether good bad or indifferent
 
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What is this belief that exists that if UT doesn’t have predominantly 4-5 star recruits they can’t compete against other schools? We can’t beat Georgia State without 4-5 star recruits? What teams like wisconsin is just lucky?

It’s like we feel like unless we are top 3 in recruiting every single year we can’t be any better than middle of the pack in the SEC?!

If we “only have mostly 3-4 star recruits” then we should be at least average to slightly above average and not train wreck.

We aren’t as talented as the best in the SEC, but lack of talent is NOT the reason we see the product that we see on the field. I won’t go as far as to say it’s ALL on Pruitt, but it isn’t just “improve recruiting and we’ll be back as a top 5-10 team in the country.”
 
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Just for fun, I compared the class numbers listed in the RTI article with Bama's numbers. They have fewer recruited scholarship upperclassmen still on their roster than we do (I'm assuming that's because they take a big hit each year with early NFL enrollees). Youth is a garbage reason for poor performance. With year-to-year normal class attrition, the bulk of any team is always going to be true freshman, redshirt freshman and sophomores. It's a built-in excuse for bad coaches.
 
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Rocky Top Raby said:
Am I missing something or are people supposed to be ok with what's happening?
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I agree with you. I'm not asking for miracles. I'm not even asking for a new coach. I said before the season that I would be okay with 7-5. A bowl win would be icing on the cake. My expectations now are showing signs of improvement and not being a laughingstock. That doesn't look like it's going to happen anytime soon.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
2016 class had the biggest busts
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Yes. Swain went through this yesterday, went through the 2016 and 2017 classes, Butch’s last 2 classes, and asked who among them is “playing at a high level” or helping lead this team, because those are the players who should be setting the tone and be the cornerstone of the program right now.

Needless to say, the answer was virtually nobody.
 
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VolBricks said:
I was surprised to see the numbers in this article. I will be honest, I expected us to be 7-5 this season but after reading this I can see why we are not looking better as a team. The makeup of the team is astounding, we have very little experience and not that many 5* players. Our team is mostly 4* and 3* star players (I know stars are not everything) with little experience in the system. It is little wonder we are struggling, not many upper classmen and low numbers overall (77 scholarship players).
Roster Analysis: Makeup of Vols' Team After More Transfers | RTI

Not making excuses just had my orange glasses on to start the season. My new prediction is 4-8 we will beat Vandy, KY and UAB.
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4-8 is the ceiling at this point. If we make it to 5-7 I’ll be fine with keeping Pruitt because at least we’d show some fight and improvement. But I really don’t see that happening.
 
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Rocky Top Raby said:
Am I missing something or are people supposed to be ok with what's happening?
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No one said anyone should be ok with what is happening. The point is that short of inventing time travel to fix Butch's alleged "five star hearts", there are not really any short term fixes.

i get it. i am as sick of losing and being ridiculed as anyone else around here. But i realize that the perfectly understandable desire to do something drastic now is an almost certain recipe for another 5 to 10 years of losing and ridicule.

All i have to hang my hat on now as a belief that Fulmer knows football, loves Tennessee, and hates the current state of the program even more than i do. if he wants to give Pruitt more time, then i am on board with that. I trust the man ultimately in charge a whole lot more than the men who were in charge when we had Kiffin, Dooley, and Jones.
 
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Georgia St and BYU beat the Vols with all not ranked and 2 and 3 star players. Recruiting isn't everything
 
#46
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JoAllan said:
I totally agree (except I don’t “know” he can turn this around......as I haven’t seen any signs yet)

But if he can’t get this turned around even this year. I seriously think he should be fired.

If he can turn this around from the S.C. game on and win a few, at least improve......I’m down.

Seriously though, I hope your right. I want to Vols to improve.
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Fire Pruitt this year and replace him with who? Who is gonna even consider coming here if we fire a guy after 2 years before even being given a legit chance to turn the program around?

If he’s fired this year, the program only spirals further down imo.
 
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KBVol said:
Fire Pruitt this year and replace him with who? Who is gonna even consider coming here if we fire a guy after 2 years before even being given a legit chance to turn the program around?

If he’s fired this year, the program only spirals further down imo.
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I can assure you 2 years is enough time to see improvement and in year 2 you “should” win some games.......remember from what I said, I would only want him (actually) replaced if that didn’t happen.

So we should be OK keeping a coach who hasn’t shown progression because some people think no one else would come? That is seriously silly.

Sure Pruitt needs time to “fix” Tennessee.......however if the team isn’t even improving and over the course of year 2 they regress why should that be given more time? It does not take “time” to simply improve.
 
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volsdeepnsc said:
Crying about it won’t change it.
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Wishing it will change won’t make it change.

I’m all for some hope pumping with some reasoning behind it......it makes for a good argument and discussion. But all you do is praise the pumpers or bash anyone who has criticism.
 
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#50
I couldn’t agree more, this team needs to leave the Makeup in the lockeroom.
There’s a new sign just under the “I will give my all for Tennessee today” and it says “no Makeup on the field”
Sheesh, girls will be girls, wont they?
 
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