RR Firing Is Refreshing

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In reaction to the Lane Kiffin fiasco, it seems as though the prevailing sentiment throughout the college landscape was that you better know who you are going to hire before you fire your coach. Stated differently, sometimes the evil you know is better than the evil you don't.

As an example, I believe this is a big reason why Mark Richt is still the HC at Georgia -- if UGA knew that they could get Muschamp at the end of 2010, would they have hesitated for a second to can Richt? They were unsure, they stuck with what they know, and Richt gets another chance in 2011. UGA will likely have another mediocre year because of it. Is another year fair to Mark Richt and his staff? Yes. But is it fair to UGA fans? You can take as many administrative burdens off Richt as you want in 2011 so that he can "study football" more, but that ain't going to win the SEC East.

On the flip side of that coin is RR. Whether you agree with the RR firing or not, it is refreshing to me that the Michigan AD cut ties with him after only 3 years. No one was even thinking about RR coaching the full 6 seasons of his contract, so why give him 4? They brought in a big name. People can argue why it didn't work, but at the end of the day it didn't and wasn't going to. RR may have deserved another year, but did Michigan fans deserve to have to sit through another year of mediocrity? Their AD certainly didn't think so.

What does this have to do with UT? I hope from the bottom of my heart that CDD succeeds, but there is no denying that the proof will be in the pudding come the end of the 2012 season (3 years into his tenure, just like RR). If it's working, GREAT! Hope CDD has a long and prosperous career here winning lots of SEC and National Championships along the way. If it's not working, I hope UT has the courage to do what Michigan did -- insist on winning NOW -- and make a coaching change.

GBO!!:loco:
 
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I live in Birmingham and thought it was so funny when RR snubbed bama. They later hired Saban. I wish now RR had come to bama instead of Mich.

Go Vols! :loco:
 
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I think Michigan is screwed for 3 more years.....All these 5ft 8 "speedy" guys that RR wanted won't work in many other schemes
 
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RR didnt inherit as big of a mess as DD did. For that reason, I give him 4 as long as we see continuous improvement.
 
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KingtUT said:
RR didnt inherit as big of a mess as DD did. For that reason, I give him 4 as long as we see continuous improvement.
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The problem I'm having is gauging how how much improvement is enough. What if we go 7-6 next year, and 8-5 in 2011. Does CDD get a 4th year? That would be 21-18. Does 21-18 warrant a 4th year (regardless of what I hope will be a LOT of hype surrounding Tyler Bray's senior year)? And if so, what does our record have to be in 2012 to keep him past that? 10 wins? 11?

Maybe I'm too fixated on the wins and losses, but isn't that what it's about at the end of the day?
 
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Dooley has a tougher rebuilding job than RR. Look at the roster. This team is made of Freshman and Seniors with a few others sprinkled in.

Next year it will be a team of Sophomores and Freshman with a few Juniors thanks to Janzen and JUCO.

With that said, Dooley will still only get three years to prove he is the right guy for the job. I believe he is. And I believe by the end of that third year UT will be challenging for the SEC if not winning it.
 
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Agreed with most of the above. Dooley has won me over. Next years big obstacle will be leadership but I believe our players are hungry this offseason. Hoping to capitalize on 8 home games and a year under everyone's belt.
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PMC2726 said:
In reaction to the Lane Kiffin fiasco, it seems as though the prevailing sentiment throughout the college landscape was that you better know who you are going to hire before you fire your coach. Stated differently, sometimes the evil you know is better than the evil you don't.

As an example, I believe this is a big reason why Mark Richt is still the HC at Georgia -- if UGA knew that they could get Muschamp at the end of 2010, would they have hesitated for a second to can Richt? They were unsure, they stuck with what they know, and Richt gets another chance in 2011. UGA will likely have another mediocre year because of it. Is another year fair to Mark Richt and his staff? Yes. But is it fair to UGA fans? You can take as many administrative burdens off Richt as you want in 2011 so that he can "study football" more, but that ain't going to win the SEC East.

On the flip side of that coin is RR. Whether you agree with the RR firing or not, it is refreshing to me that the Michigan AD cut ties with him after only 3 years. No one was even thinking about RR coaching the full 6 seasons of his contract, so why give him 4? They brought in a big name. People can argue why it didn't work, but at the end of the day it didn't and wasn't going to. RR may have deserved another year, but did Michigan fans deserve to have to sit through another year of mediocrity? Their AD certainly didn't think so.

What does this have to do with UT? I hope from the bottom of my heart that CDD succeeds, but there is no denying that the proof will be in the pudding come the end of the 2012 season (3 years into his tenure, just like RR). If it's working, GREAT! Hope CDD has a long and prosperous career here winning lots of SEC and National Championships along the way. If it's not working, I hope UT has the courage to do what Michigan did -- insist on winning NOW -- and make a coaching change.

GBO!!:loco:
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Best post of the day.:peace2:
 
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I agree and disagree. I agree that if we're not winning then he should be out soon. However, stability has been our issue the last 3 years. I mean how easy would it be for other coaches to say to recruits, "Oh dont go to Tennessee. You probably wont have the same coach all 4 years." Yeah unless we Dooley just completely bombs it, I would try to keep him here as long as possible. It takes time to make a name for yourself...despite who his dad is. Once he does make a name for himself, along w/ his recruiting approach (i.e. emphasizing character and family atmosphere), he'll definitely reel in the caliber of players that Fulmer did minus 2008. I think he's the right man for the job.
 
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Stability is overrated. I use Saban and Chizik as examples. The problem is leaving a lazy coach in a position for too long. Everyone has a down year but the evidence was in the product and the play on the field. Fulmer was recruiting crap and the execution was awful.
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I think I remember the players rejecting RR cuz they loved Carr so much. I personally don't know if that is a very good place to go in to coach. I mean I think respect is more important than being liked. The Michigan football team may have taken a step back that 4-5 years to overcome. I hope UT's players respect Dooley and not neccessarily like him. I mean some players seemed to have beef with him when he first came in. I'm sure Saban's players don't necessarily like him, but maybe they respect him and know he is doing what is right. RR might of been the hey like me too coach... IDK
 
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DjCrenshaw said:
I think I remember the players rejecting RR cuz they loved Carr so much. I personally don't know if that is a very good place to go in to coach. I mean I think respect is more important than being liked. The Michigan football team may have taken a step back that 4-5 years to overcome. I hope UT's players respect Dooley and not neccessarily like him. I mean some players seemed to have beef with him when he first came in. I'm sure Saban's players don't necessarily like him, but maybe they respect him and know he is doing what is right. RR might of been the hey like me too coach... IDK
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:blink: Could you elaborate on this, I never heard about any of the players having a problem with Dooley...I know Poole had problems with Kiffin...

The only thing I can think of is players not wanting to trust a new coach right away after being burned by Kiffin. That's understandable but your post implies something more than that.
 
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Nerwen Aldarion said:
:blink: Could you elaborate on this, I never heard about any of the players having a problem with Dooley...I know Poole had problems with Kiffin...

The only thing I can think of is players not wanting to trust a new coach right away after being burned by Kiffin. That's understandable but your post implies something more than that.
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Well I was thinking of brown and douglas. I also just had the impression he had to force the EE to stay. What you say may be true, and I maybe over exaggerating it. I just hope they respect him... Ya touchey tammy you
 
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DjCrenshaw said:
Well I was thinking of brown and douglas. I also just had the impression he had to force the EE to stay. What you say may be true, and I maybe over exaggerating it. I just hope they respect him... Ya touchey tammy you
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:ermm: Don't know what that last part means but okay.

I wasn't trying to offend you, I just wanted to know what you had heard. I'd only read about our players having a lot of respect for Dooley and I wanted to know where you'd heard otherwise. I wasn't being touchy, just curious.

I did know that the players knew next to nothing about him when he was hired and Googled him so they could find out information. I also knew that his practice policy upset a couple of outgoing players but that was more of a misunderstanding.

So no I wasn't upset, just wanting to know more about how the players and staff work together, that's all. :thumbsup:
 
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Well all I remember was how people like hooker kept making him out as a jerk because practices were on lock down and he wouldn't interview. I think I may have just gotten the impression with the negative news he was getting due to that. I mean they stated the North Carolina TE that decommited cuz CDD didn't run to his door step. The talk of former players not being allowed in the complex. Douglas and Brown ordeals the EE's not getting what they wanted. I just assumed and I may have been off base. The impression I recieved was he came in with an Iron fist and some didn't like it. Hopefully gaining him more respect. Early in the season it looked like the players gave up on him in the second half; however, I think it may of just been depth issues.
 
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PMC2726 said:
In reaction to the Lane Kiffin fiasco, it seems as though the prevailing sentiment throughout the college landscape was that you better know who you are going to hire before you fire your coach. Stated differently, sometimes the evil you know is better than the evil you don't.

As an example, I believe this is a big reason why Mark Richt is still the HC at Georgia -- if UGA knew that they could get Muschamp at the end of 2010, would they have hesitated for a second to can Richt? They were unsure, they stuck with what they know, and Richt gets another chance in 2011. UGA will likely have another mediocre year because of it. Is another year fair to Mark Richt and his staff? Yes. But is it fair to UGA fans? You can take as many administrative burdens off Richt as you want in 2011 so that he can "study football" more, but that ain't going to win the SEC East.

On the flip side of that coin is RR. Whether you agree with the RR firing or not, it is refreshing to me that the Michigan AD cut ties with him after only 3 years. No one was even thinking about RR coaching the full 6 seasons of his contract, so why give him 4? They brought in a big name. People can argue why it didn't work, but at the end of the day it didn't and wasn't going to. RR may have deserved another year, but did Michigan fans deserve to have to sit through another year of mediocrity? Their AD certainly didn't think so.

What does this have to do with UT? I hope from the bottom of my heart that CDD succeeds, but there is no denying that the proof will be in the pudding come the end of the 2012 season (3 years into his tenure, just like RR). If it's working, GREAT! Hope CDD has a long and prosperous career here winning lots of SEC and National Championships along the way. If it's not working, I hope UT has the courage to do what Michigan did -- insist on winning NOW -- and make a coaching change.

GBO!!:loco:
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who will replace RR, so why do you bring up michigan and his firing to make the point that an AD should have a replacement in mind before sacking the coach? In a perfect world, you have a replacement lined up--but in reality that is pretty hard to pull off unless you've got a talented assistant or coach with strong ties to your school ready to take over the reigns. Fulmer didn't help Hammy because he hired very few really talented coaches during his 17 years as head coach. Cut and Chavis are good--but probably not top head-coach material.
 
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I had to fire a guy at work because he was drinking a beer in a coffee thurmis at work.... In UGA's case the AD was caught... Anyway you can't make decisions too far in advance. In the recruiting world, no time is a good time.
 
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armchair said:
who will replace RR, so why do you bring up michigan and his firing to make the point that an AD should have a replacement in mind before sacking the coach? In a perfect world, you have a replacement lined up--but in reality that is pretty hard to pull off unless you've got a talented assistant or coach with strong ties to your school ready to take over the reigns. Fulmer didn't help Hammy because he hired very few really talented coaches during his 17 years as head coach. Cut and Chavis are good--but probably not top head-coach material.
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Re-read the post. You have misunderstood my point. My point was not that an AD should have a replacement in mind before he fires a head coach.
 
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good post. I remember looking back at the RR hire and thinking it was good but after the 1st season you could just tell for whatever reason it wasnt going to work out.

Although I think he was setup to have a good year next year.
 
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PMC2726 said:
Re-read the post. You have misunderstood my point. My point was not that an AD should have a replacement in mind before he fires a head coach.
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As a former CEO, Michigan AD Brandon will (does) have a plan in place to replace RichRod. I am guessing that it is, in order:
1. Harbaugh (must give him a chance to go to NFL if that's his choice)
2. Miles (can't move until after his bowl game)
3. Hoke (the choice if the others decline)

My reading of the tea leaves is that the next coach at UM will be Miles. He isn't too happy with the way the fans at LSU react to him and he is a "Michigan man." My guess is that with 4 choices in the NFL, Harbaugh goes to one of them (likely SF but could be Carolina just so he can draft Luck). Hoke will have to wait on the next opportunity to move up.
 
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PMC2726 said:
The problem I'm having is gauging how how much improvement is enough. What if we go 7-6 next year, and 8-5 in 2011. Does CDD get a 4th year? That would be 21-18. Does 21-18 warrant a 4th year (regardless of what I hope will be a LOT of hype surrounding Tyler Bray's senior year)? And if so, what does our record have to be in 2012 to keep him past that? 10 wins? 11?

Maybe I'm too fixated on the wins and losses, but isn't that what it's about at the end of the day?
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To me it will depend on who we lost to and the overall outcome of the season. So, let's say we beat Florida but lose to Georgia and then Georgia goes on to win the division. Or, we beat Bama but then lose the next week as we come down the emotional wave. Or we win the SECE but lose a heartbreaker in the championship game then that team goes on to win the NC. So, for me it will be are we dominating those we should dominate and being highly competitive with anyone and everyone we play, in conference or out that will keep me on the Dooley train. Are we legitimately in the hunt every year, and is it being sustained through the recruiting stream? When I see that, then I'll know we have returned to real Tennessee football.
 
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DjCrenshaw said:
I had to fire a guy at work because he was drinking a beer in a coffee thurmis at work.... In UGA's case the AD was caught... Anyway you can't make decisions too far in advance. In the recruiting world, no time is a good time.
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What? You should have promoted that man.
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