RPI Discussion.

#877
#877
bleedingTNorange said:
Since the field expanded to 68 teams no high major with a RPI better than 56 has been left out on selection Sunday. Now I'm obviously not suggesting to cut it that close, but you get the point. As a high major (which Tennessee is) if you have a RPI inside of 50 of selection Sunday you can pretty much start making your travel arrangements.
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I just hope we don't make it a first.
 
#880
#880
I'm just saying that maybe the committee might put more stock into the conference records this year, since a lot of the teams have been re-arranged...

And there might be a lot more "bracket busters" in the mid-major conferences because of these new teams IMO.
 
#881
#881
Your wrong BTO and here is proof. Past results show that their are other considerations. Otherwise these teams would have been in ( This is from Bubble Math who keeps a record of such things ) :

In fact, here’s a look at the highest rated high-major RPI schools to be left out each season since the formula was adjusted:
◾2013: 57 – Kentucky (49th rated UConn was ineligible for the postseason)
◾2012: 57 – West Virginia
◾2011: 58 – Boston College
◾2010: 55 – Mississippi St
◾2009: 54 – Florida
◾2008: *39 – Mississippi
◾2007: 41 – Florida St
◾2006: 40 – Cincinnati

* Note: I haven’t been able to locate RPI data for the end of the regular season in 2008. Ole Miss at 39 is the lowest RPI rated school to have missed the tournament but that rating is boosted by a run in the NIT Tournament. It would be reasonable to assume that their RPI rating at the conclusion of the regular season was somewhere in the mid-40s.
 
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#882
#882
Some more interesting selections from a little further back:

2005
43, 45, 46 Out
49 UAB in (CUSA)

2004
#70 Air Force got in (12-2 in MWC and lost in 1st round of MWC Tourney)
#38 LSU out (went 8-8 in SEC and lost in 1st Round of SEC Tourney)

2003
#40 UNLV out
#43 Gonzaga in

2002
#43 Villanova out
#50 S. Illiniois, #51 Pepperdine in
#64 Wyoming in
 
#883
#883
And this from more recent from the NCAA itself:

•The lowest rated teams to get at-large bids (ALB): #67 USC, #64 Marquette (2011), #63 NC State (2005), #63 Stanford (2007).
 
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#884
#884
So obviously RPI is only one tool and I would venture to say not the main tool since what appeared to be more deserving teams with the RPI were left out in some of these situations.
 
#885
#885
Lunardi says we are in as of now and we may be. The win today will certainly help. If we win the next two I think we are in. A couple of wins in the SEC tourney should seal it up. There are just so many other factors which is why we should not be comfortable if we are an 11 seed. Too much can happen. Before today Palm had us projected out of the tourney.
 
#886
#886
That said RPI is important which is why everyone follows it. Just do not count on your team getting in because it has a certain RPI. Tennessee has a strong SOS too which hopefully pushes us into the tourney.
 
#888
#888
Let's say we end with an RPI of 49. Does the NCAA select us to stop the Bruce Pearl momentum?
 
#889
#889
Maxwell said:
Your wrong BTO and here is proof. Past results show that their are other considerations. Otherwise these teams would have been in ( This is from Bubble Math who keeps a record of such things ) :

In fact, here’s a look at the highest rated high-major RPI schools to be left out each season since the formula was adjusted:
◾2013: 57 – Kentucky (49th rated UConn was ineligible for the postseason)
◾2012: 57 – West Virginia
◾2011: 58 – Boston College
◾2010: 55 – Mississippi St
◾2009: 54 – Florida
◾2008: *39 – Mississippi
◾2007: 41 – Florida St
◾2006: 40 – Cincinnati

* Note: I haven’t been able to locate RPI data for the end of the regular season in 2008. Ole Miss at 39 is the lowest RPI rated school to have missed the tournament but that rating is boosted by a run in the NIT Tournament. It would be reasonable to assume that their RPI rating at the conclusion of the regular season was somewhere in the mid-40s.
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Maxwell said:
So obviously RPI is only one tool and I would venture to say not the main tool since what appeared to be more deserving teams with the RPI were left out in some of these situations.
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Here's my post maxwell, care to inform me what part I was wrong about...

bleedingTNorange said:
Since the field expanded to 68 teams no high major with a RPI better than 56 has been left out on selection Sunday. Now I'm obviously not suggesting to cut it that close, but you get the point. As a high major (which Tennessee is) if you have a RPI inside of 50 of selection Sunday you can pretty much start making your travel arrangements.
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Note the bolded!
 
#891
#891
Right those teams were higher than 56 and left out. You just high-lighted the proof. You said none had been left out.
 
#892
#892
But go further back and you see also that Cincy, Ole miss and Florida were left out with much lower RPI's when there were only 64 teams. Are you going to say that does not mean a team in the 50's couldn't be left out today.
 
#893
#893
Maxwell said:
Right those teams were higher than 56 and left out. You just high-lighted the proof. You said none had been left out.
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You should probably read the bolded/highlighted again...

I'll just summarize for you...

No high major team with a RPI of better than 56 has been left out of the dance since it expanded to 56.

All your numbers, none of them prove that statement wrong :hi:
 
#894
#894
I was not arguing what you put in bold but what you said about 50 being safe. It is not safe in my opinion. Perhaps I am wrong. I do not think so.
 
#895
#895
Maxwell said:
But go further back and you see also that Cincy, Ole miss and Florida were left out with much lower RPI's when there were only 64 teams. Are you going to say that does not mean a team in the 50's couldn't be left out today.
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RPI formula changed around that time :hi:
 
#896
#896
Tell these teams that number is safe because we have 4 more spots in the tourney.
◾2010: 55 – Mississippi St
◾2009: 54 – Florida
◾2008: *39 – Mississippi
◾2007: 41 – Florida St
◾2006: 40 – Cincinnati
 
#897
#897
Maxwell said:
I was not arguing what you put in bold but what you said about 50 being safe. It is not safe in my opinion. Perhaps I am wrong. I do not think so.
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You told me I was wrong. The only statement I had made was that since the field expanded to 68 no high major with a RPI of 56 or better had been left out.

So since the RPI formula has changed, and the field has expanded, it definitely appears that as a high major a RPI inside of 50 and you're in. Give me 1 example that says the contrary?
 
#899
#899
Maxwell said:
Tell these teams that number is safe because we have 4 more spots in the tourney.
◾2010: 55 – Mississippi St
◾2009: 54 – Florida
◾2008: *39 – Mississippi
◾2007: 41 – Florida St
◾2006: 40 – Cincinnati
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Let me try this one more time....SINCE THE TOURNAMENT EXPANDED TO 68 TEAMS

You're googling this crap without understanding...the field has both expanded and the RPI formula has changed since some of those teams. You're using old data, use current data and formulas.
 
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