Romney

[sjt18]

I am on record saying that I cannot vote for him. Here's one article that helps explain why.

Opinion: Elite media wrong again - Craig Shirley - POLITICO.com

Pat Buchanan also has an article out that says the GOP risks a third party splinter if Romney is nominated. I agree.

Sidenote: LG... this is why you are wrong about Romney being the most electable. I genuinely distinct candidate may not beat Obama... but Obama-lite is almost doomed to defeat.

 

[GAVol]

Romney is not my choice either, but i'll get behind him if he's the nominee. I'd rather win with a guy I don't love than lose because I stayed home to make a point.

 

[volinbham]

Romney is not my choice either, but i'll get behind him if he's the nominee. I'd rather win with a guy I don't love than lose because I stayed home to make a point.

No crap - I really don't understand the "spite" argument if the outcome is worse.

Unless you think Romney would be worse for the country than Obama this just doesn't make sense.

 

[GAVol]

No crap - I really don't understand the "spite" argument if the outcome is worse.

Unless you think Romney would be worse for the country than Obama this just doesn't make sense.

I find it funny that these purists think Romney is unpalatable when Reagan was a former Democrat, Bush was pro choice etc. There is no perfect candidate.

 

[dreVol]

I find it funny that these purists think Romney is unpalatable when Reagan was a former Democrat, Bush was pro choice etc. There is no perfect candidate.

There's always a perfect candidate. It just so happens that he/she is never running.
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[GAVol]

There's always a perfect candidate. It just so happens that he/she is never running.
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the perfect candidate is sort of like the backup QB. Always popular but never proven.

 

[MG1968]

we'll just have to hope that if Romney is the eventual nominee, he will pick a good VP (like Marco Rubio)

it's going to be another "hold your nose" election, but at this point, I'd vote for Hillary if she were the GOP nominee.

failing that, I hope the GOP can gain a majority in the Senate and maintain the House

 

[volinbham]

The only one running I won't vote for is Bachmann - she be crazy. I'll abstain and hope R controls House and Senate

 

[dreVol]

The only one running I won't vote for is Bachmann - she be crazy. I'll abstain and hope R controls House and Senate

Plus one. I'd also add Santorum to my list.
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[sjt18]

Romney is not my choice either, but i'll get behind him if he's the nominee. I'd rather win with a guy I don't love than lose because I stayed home to make a point.

What are you winning? You are just affirming to the GOP that they can run a liberal and you'll vote for him anyway.

If Obama wins but the GOP takes the Senate and holds the House which seems likely then he will be stymied until the open election of '16. If Romney wins then the GOP in Congress will feel compelled by political pressure to go along with HIS version of the Progressive agenda.

 

[sjt18]

No crap - I really don't understand the "spite" argument if the outcome is worse.

Unless you think Romney would be worse for the country than Obama this just doesn't make sense.

No spite involved at all. I am simply done with rewarding the GOP for offering me a "lesser evil". As long as we continue to reward them.... they'll continue to do it. We will continue to get Bush (both), McCain, Dole, Nixon, Ford,... Instead of Reagan or Goldwater.

 

[sjt18]

I find it funny that these purists think Romney is unpalatable when Reagan was a former Democrat, Bush was pro choice etc. There is no perfect candidate.

I am not looking for a perfect candidate. There is no such animal. I like Cain but he isn't perfect. Reagan wasn't perfect.

I look for the core ideology. Romney by any definition is a Progressive based on his record and even what he says now. He has different ideas about how to use big gov't... but he none the less believes in big gov't power.

Reagan was a Dem won over by the conservative movement surrounding Goldwater '64. That was the re-birth of constitutional conservatism in America after being dead for about 50 years.

 

[VolsNSkinsFan]

Reagan is dead, he isnt coming back and nobody currently in the Tea Party is even remotely close to being Reagan-esque. If you sit at home and dont Vote, you are saying "I am content with the current Administration"

 

[sjt18]

we'll just have to hope that if Romney is the eventual nominee, he will pick a good VP (like Marco Rubio)

it's going to be another "hold your nose" election, but at this point, I'd vote for Hillary if she were the GOP nominee.

failing that, I hope the GOP can gain a majority in the Senate and maintain the House

If Obama wins over Romney while the GOP wins Congress with conservatives leading the way... which seems likely.... even the GOP establishment will be able to read the tea leaves. They will rightly see it as a repudiation of the Progressive wing of the GOP. They will recognize that principled voters are demanding something more.

If Romney wins then the message will be just the opposite. It will tell the establishment, Progressive wing of the GOP that they can continue to offer their brand of big gov't and conservatives will support them anyway. It will make it virtually incumbent on Congress to support Romney's program which will probably include a "reform" of Obamacare rather than a repeal of it... IOW's just a different form of big gov't.

While a second Obama term would be bad... it would be nothing compared to a return of the "conservative" progressives to power.

 

[sjt18]

Reagan is dead, he isnt coming back and nobody currently in the Tea Party is even remotely close to being Reagan-esque. If you sit at home and dont Vote, you are saying "I am content with the current Administration"

I will vote. I may vote Libertarian. I may vote a write in. I may vote Mickey Mouse. I will NOT vote for Romney or any other "me too" liberal Republican.

The candidate doesn't have to be perfect.... just a whole lot closer than Romney.

 

[GAVol]

What are you winning? You are just affirming to the GOP that they can run a liberal and you'll vote for him anyway.

If Obama wins but the GOP takes the Senate and holds the House which seems likely then he will be stymied until the open election of '16. If Romney wins then the GOP in Congress will feel compelled by political pressure to go along with HIS
version of the Progressive agenda.

So...4 more years of Obama driving the agenda, issuing executive orders and judicial appointments is worth sending a message?

Not buying that logic.

 

[sjt18]

So...4 more years of Obama driving the agenda, issuing executive orders and judicial appointments is worth sending a message?

Not buying that logic.

If he is overseen by a conservative Congress, yes.

What you seem to be missing is that if Romney is elected then Obama's agenda will continue to be implemented... just at a slower pace.

We already saw what a big gov't "conservative" would do with power. His name was G W Bush and he's the reason people were willing to vote for Obama in the first place. A Romney presidency virtually guarantees that voters become more cynical about teh GOP as an alternative and guarantees someone as bad or worst than Obama as a replacement.

 

[sjt18]

Keep rewarding a behavior and you'll get more of it. Punish it... and you'll get less.

 

[gsvol]

I will vote. I may vote Libertarian. I may vote a write in. I may vote Mickey Mouse. I will NOT vote for Romney or any other "me too" liberal Republican.

The candidate doesn't have to be perfect.... just a whole lot closer than Romney.

Welcome to the 'party' party, I had so many people
writing in Mickey Mouse that they changed the polling
station reporting rules, it was funny when a few
Mickey Mouse votes were reported in the press but
when it got to be tens of thousands it became rather
embarrassing to both parties.

If Romney is running against Obama then I'm torn
between writing in either Hank Jr and Charlie Daniels
or Ray Stevens and Larry the Cable guy.

 

[Daddy Gee]

totally agree ..... after the '10 elections, there's no reason to settle for a 3rd term of W ...

 

[RespectTradition]

Romney in the debate a couple of nights ago:

You know, this I think is either our eighth or ninth debate. And each chance I've—I've had to talk about Obamacare, I've made it very clear, and also in my book. And at the time, by the way, I crafted the plan, in the last campaign, I was asked, is this something that you would have the whole nation do? And I said, no, this is something that was crafted for Massachusetts. It would be wrong to adopt this as a nation.
...
And—look—look, we'll let everybody take a look at the fact-checks. I was interviewed by Dan Balz. I was in interviewed in this debate stage with you four years ago. I was asked about the Massachusetts plan, was it something I'd impose on the nation? And the answer is absolutely not.

Romney in 2007 at Des Moines GOP debate:

Look, it's critical to insure more people in this country. It doesn't make sense to have 45 million people without insurance. It's not good for them because they don't get good preventative care and disease management, just as these folks have spoken about. But it's not good for the rest of the citizens either, because if people aren't insured, they go to the emergency room for their care when they get very sick. That’s expensive. They don't have any insurance to cover it. [...]

We have to have our citizens insured, and we're not going to do that by tax exemptions, because the people that don’t have insurance aren’t paying taxes. What you have to do is what we did in Massachusetts. Is it perfect? No. But we say, let's rely on personal responsibility, help people buy their own private insurance, get our citizens insured, not with a government takeover, not with new taxes needed, but instead with a free-market based system that gets all of our citizens in the system. No more free rides. It works.

:whistling:

 

[sjt18]

But... but... but we should vote for him because he's not Obama.

That's what I keep trying to tell these folks.... He IS Obama just at a slower pace.

 

[GAVol]

What you seem to be missing is that if Romney is elected then Obama's agenda will continue to be implemented... just at a slower pace.

Ah . . . so I'm too stupid to see the forest for the trees and you're too enlightened to vote for anyone but the perfect candidate. Now I get it.

 

[sjt18]

Ah . . . so I'm too stupid to see the forest for the trees and you're too enlightened to vote for anyone but the perfect candidate. Now I get it.

Playing the victim and exaggerating won't help anything. I didn't take a condescending position with you. I didn't say you were stupid.... nor do I come close to believing that.

I also said specifically that I do not believe there is a perfect candidate.

If you don't want to talk about it then don't... but it isn't personal to disagree with you about this empty suit.

But you continue to deny the truth about Romney. He is a political chamelion. See RespectTradition's article comparing his comments about Obamacare. The man is lying...

He is not a conservative. He will not govern as a conservative. He will lead an agenda that will force the GOP to choose between his version of progressivism and opposing a President of their own party. Recent history isn't encouraging on how that would go.

We have already seen what the net effect will be. Voters will not like it. The GOP will lose support AND power. People were disillusioned with the GOP in 2008 not because they weren't "moderate" enough but because they weren't principled enough. They had become "me too" Progressives.

And again, his nomination virtually assures that Obama gets reelected. There will either be a third party challenge or else conservatives will simply not support him in the needed numbers. And that matters only if you think he can really take moderates away from Obama... which is unlikely when the BO campaign starts hammering him with his inconsistencies on the issues.

 

[dreVol]

I'm generally skeptical of the candidate that garners the majority of MSM support in the primary (e.g. Romney and Huntsman).
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