Rogers Redding, the SEC supervisors of officials, to give an explanation…

#51
#51
First&Tenn said:
I am not advocating that the game result be changed, nor am I debating the fact that UT was in the wrong. It is obvious that UT had at least 2 penalties on that last play (13 men on field, Rogers storming the field while the play was still live), but it is also obvious that LSU had at least 1 (helmet) and as many as 3-4 (offsides, illegal formation, etc) penalties on that play. The frustration that much of our fanbase if feeling is justified, because only one side is being punished for the myriad of mistakes that happened on that last play. I have no problem with them taking the time to review and get it right, as a matter of fact, I prefer it, but something should be addressed when they take the time to review and still get it wrong.

If the penalties offset, it's either the end of the game or a dead ball foul before the play which would likely have given LSU another play inside of the 5 yard line with a few seconds on the clock (which could easily have still been the winning TD). Either way, I just want some consistency in the officiating, and the whole "the helmet didn't affect the outcome of the play" argument is falling on deaf ears because the number of UT players on the field didn't change the botched snap either. If one of those calls is "over officiating" then both of them are.
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Great post, This is what I have been trying to say but obviously didn't say it the right way!
 
#52
#52
BearCat204 said:
While I agree that it is over and nothing will come of whining about it at this point. But the issue with Rogers with his helmet off was after the play was blown dead and the LSU player threw his helmet off while the play was still live. Its an unfortunate ending and could be debated forever, but I agree with some that we should just move on.
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not based on the pic posted that night

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#54
#54
Can anyone offer a synopsis of what information was provided in the course of the interview?
 
#56
#56
First&Tenn said:
I am not advocating that the game result be changed, nor am I debating the fact that UT was in the wrong. It is obvious that UT had at least 2 penalties on that last play (13 men on field, Rogers storming the field while the play was still live), but it is also obvious that LSU had at least 1 (helmet) and as many as 3-4 (offsides, illegal formation, etc) penalties on that play. The frustration that much of our fanbase if feeling is justified, because only one side is being punished for the myriad of mistakes that happened on that last play. I have no problem with them taking the time to review and get it right, as a matter of fact, I prefer it, but something should be addressed when they take the time to review and still get it wrong.

If the penalties offset, it's either the end of the game or a dead ball foul before the play which would likely have given LSU another play inside of the 5 yard line with a few seconds on the clock (which could easily have still been the winning TD). Either way, I just want some consistency in the officiating, and the whole "the helmet didn't affect the outcome of the play" argument is falling on deaf ears because the number of UT players on the field didn't change the botched snap either. If one of those calls is "over officiating" then both of them are.
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#57
#57
Still waiting to see any photographic evidence of the three phantom flags supposedly thrown on the "last" play.
 
#59
#59
utvolpj said:
not based on the pic posted that night

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Great still photo.....It would be off setting penalties then..........then there would be off setting penalties for false start and too many men on the field, now we are not deagreeing that the VOlS messed up but a better officiating that the fact was that there was obvious 4 penalties on a very confusing play that all off set each other and they want to just decuss the UT penalty. That a botch shot taken at UT, further more I have read on here that the PI call was wrong, that the ball was uncatchable, I haven't reviewed that yet so can't say for sure IMO
 
#60
#60
I dont really mind the lack of call for the helmet tossing or even that lack of time we were given to sub on defense. What really gets me is the illegal shift on the touchdown on the untimed down. The left side of the LSU line wasnt set. That was an obvious call, and the side judge blew it because the refs in this league are miserable. That's an easy call, and he absolutely choked.
 
#62
#62
jtins said:
I dont really mind the lack of call for the helmet tossing or even that lack of time we were given to sub on defense. What really gets me is the illegal shift on the touchdown on the untimed down. The left side of the LSU line wasnt set. That was an obvious call, and the side judge blew it because the refs in this league are miserable. That's an easy call, and he absolutely choked.
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Totally agree!
 
#63
#63
615 Vol said:
Barnhart knew the outcome before the game even started. He was calling LSU "5-0" before the kickoff.
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Absolutely! I heard him say that too. Not that anyone at CBS has EVER had any confidence in us...

It sure does seem like something shady was going on with the officiating. Regardless, I am very proud of the improved way we played (very few penalties, no turnovers, etc) against the #10 team in the nation. I can't wait to get sweet revenge on those jerks at home next year.

LSU Bleaux! And Les Miles has proved, once again, that he is an overpaid incompetent jackass.
 
#64
#64
No doubt we made stupid errors too but come on... Typical SEC refs, seriously why does the best (IMO) conference in all of college football get the worst ones?
 
#65
#65
all4vol said:
Great still photo.....It would be off setting penalties then..........then there would be off setting penalties for false start and too many men on the field, now we are not deagreeing that the VOlS messed up but a better officiating that the fact was that there was obvious 4 penalties on a very confusing play that all off set each other and they want to just decuss the UT penalty. That a botch shot taken at UT, further more I have read on here that the PI call was wrong, that the ball was uncatchable, I haven't reviewed that yet so can't say for sure IMO
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Just wondering why you didn't circle the other two Vol players running onto the field?
 
#67
#67
hohenfelsvol said:
Just wondering why you didn't circle the other two Vol players running onto the field?
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I didn't take the picture, your buddy did.....Read my post I said that they were UT players on the field. Next time you want to try to blast me get the facts straight!
 
#69
#69
all4vol said:
I didn't take the picture, your buddy did.....Read my post I said that they were UT players on the field. Next time you want to try to blast me get the facts straight!
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So, we had 15 on the field then? And the clock is at zero, and when did the whistle blow? How about them facts?
 
#71
#71
weso1 said:
The umpire blew it, plain and simple. If you look at the replay he backed off the ball before UT was set. He stood over the ball for at most 2 seconds. So that's 2 seconds for UT to recognize which players LSU had coming in, get the players in and get set. That is w/o doubt not adequate time for UT to properly sub. He should've waited until the UT players were set before he backed away from the ball. Had he done that UT may have been able to get the right players in, but unfortunately the players had to react much quicker then they should have.

Had the ball been properly snapped UT had absolutely no chance to defend the play LSU was going to run.
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There was no need to sub in that situation. We already had our short yardage defense on the field, and LSU was in the process of imploding.
 
#72
#72
westtnvol said:
Rules are rules, that makes no sense at all. The call last year was questionable but the players throwing their helmets should be a penalty.
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This. But sadly, game is over at that point, and I don't think they're going to call penalties after the game is (officially) over.

Positively, we are obviously headed in the right direction. We nearly upset a top-10 team at their house, (who IMO is not top 10 caliber anyway, but definitely top 25), and put together a complete game without one single bit of "quit" in there. Aside from the final outcome, I am very pleased with our Vols.

BEAT THE HELL OUTTA GEORGIA!!!:peace2::rock::good!:
 
#73
#73
emainvol said:
Did you happen to read the time on the game clock?
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I just looked it up, and offsetting penalties would result in an untimed play...

NCAA Rulebook:

ARTICLE 3. a. A period shall be extended for an untimed down (other than a try) if during a down in which time expires one or more of the following occurs (A.R. 3-2-3-I-VIII):

2. There are offsetting fouls.
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First&Tenn said:
I just looked it up, and offsetting penalties would result in an untimed play...

NCAA Rulebook:
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I am familiar with that, but there would not have been offsetting penalties anyway, because the game clock was at 0 when they took their helmets off. There is no rule against removing your helmet when the whistle blows and the clock is at 0.
 
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